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What I wanted was a 27" iMac that I don't have to throw the screen away every time I upgrade it.
I agree it would be ideal if iMacs (all AIOs) could be repurposed as a monitor. But I acknowledge that it’s probably not a high priority for the main target demographic of AIOs. It seems to me those are people or organizations that value simplicity and aesthetics above all else for their computing needs—more than performance and more than getting the best bang for your buck when factoring in future upgrades. Not prioritizing performance, these types of customers probably don’t replace their system often, and when they do they probably want to replace it with another AIO rather than repurpose their old AIO into a dedicated display and go modular going forward. And if they have an AIO it’s probably because they only wanted a single display (simplicity), but if they wanted dual they probably would have gotten a second display long before waiting for their next AIO upgrade—so already having dual displays they probably don’t even want to bother turning their old AIO into a second display. They probably just want to get rid of it, either sell it or pass it on like an old car.

But the usability of Macs can be stretched for quite a long time. It’s just that the usability gets more limited as time goes on. I hate waste so my hope is that old iMacs get sold or passed along to people with increasingly basic needs until both the computer and display are obsolete at roughly the same time.
 
Couldn’t have said it better!! This is exactly my position.
I completely agree. I love my MBP M1 Max, but I hate the apple accessories. I got an mc master 3 mouse and I finally found a used, beige Unicomp model m keyboard for clickies. Match it with a used 5k LG monitor or 2, and you’re in business.

In another note, I really like the Mac mini. That said, I’m getting really frustrated with all the bugs in the Apple ecosystem. I’m thinking about having my college get me a PC laptop just to try it out. I always use my personal computer anyway so it’s not such a risk. I’ve been a Mac aficionado since I had to send back my Amiga 4000 tower as DOA, but the bugs and the locked in nature of the Apple ecosystem is starting to get old for me. 🤷‍♀️
 
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Regarding the Touch ID issue, it's worth noting that you don't necessarily need it to log in to websites when using a third-party keyboard with Safari, Chrome, or Opera. These browsers typically open the login page with your username and password pre-filled, allowing you to simply click OK to gain access. However, with Vivaldi, you won't be able to log in without entering your Mac password first. In this respect, Vivaldi could be considered more secure than Safari.
 
Yes. While I succumbed to the lure of the iMac during my last upgrade cycle, I think next time I will opt for a Mini with some leftover parts that I still have, I’ll buy a halfway decent monitor and maybe a clip for my iPhone to function in Continuity Camera mode for the few times I want to video call.
 
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I completely agree. I love my MBP M1 Max, but I hate the apple accessories. I got an mc master 3 mouse and I finally found a used, beige Unicomp model m keyboard for clickies. Match it with a used 5k LG monitor or 2, and you’re in business.

In another note, I really like the Mac mini. That said, I’m getting really frustrated with all the bugs in the Apple ecosystem. I’m thinking about having my college get me a PC laptop just to try it out. I always use my personal computer anyway so it’s not such a risk. I’ve been a Mac aficionado since I had to send back my Amiga 4000 tower as DOA, but the bugs and the locked in nature of the Apple ecosystem is starting to get old for me. 🤷‍♀️
I have:
  • A 16” Lenovo Legion gaming laptop, that is my main laptop.
  • An HP Z420 that is used as a secondary machine/for archival storage. It’s old and slow, but it works perfectly for that purpose. Can even do some gaming on it.
  • A 2013 11” MacBook Air that is my “lightweight” machine. It’s also old and slow, but does the job.
  • A 2019 iMac (decently specced, too!) I bought specifically for my college dorm room. I absolutely love it, and honestly idk what I’d do without it. Seriously one of my best purchases in the last year. Got an absolutely insane one-of-a-kind deal on it, which is why I bought it in the first place.
That’s all to say I use both platforms. There are things I like and dislike about both Macs and Windows PCs.

I’d say give the PC a go, it can’t hurt! Use it for a few months at least, if you can. Don’t make your judgement after a week or two.
 
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I have:
  • A 16” Lenovo Legion gaming laptop, that is my main laptop.
  • An HP Z420 that is used as a secondary machine/for archival storage. It’s old and slow, but it works perfectly for that purpose. Can even do some gaming on it.
  • A 2013 11” MacBook Air that is my “lightweight” machine. It’s also old and slow, but does the job.
  • A 2019 iMac (decently specced, too!) I bought specifically for my college dorm room. I absolutely love it, and honestly idk what I’d do without it. Seriously one of my best purchases in the last year. Got an absolutely insane one-of-a-kind deal on it, which is why I bought it in the first place.
That’s all to say I use both platforms. There are things I like and dislike about both Macs and Windows PCs.

I’d say give the PC a go, it can’t hurt! Use it for a few months at least, if you can. Don’t make your judgement after a week or two.
Yeah, thank you for the advice. I think our upgrade cycle isn't until next year or the year after, and I don't trust my Uni's data policies at all. I have some software that's windows-only, not much, but it exists. I'm still using a 2011 MacBook Pro to access that software, since it's the only one I have with windows on it (windows 7!). So when the email comes letting me know I'm up for an upgrade, I'll probably ask for a windows laptop. I'd like one with an OLED screen, but I don't know how stingy they'll be. Right now, I have an m1 studio Max at my office, but since again, I don't trust their data policies, it largely goes unused. The things I would use the PC for: Mapping, car repair, basic use, would be stuff I wouldn't care about the university seeing.
 
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Well, you could also argue the magic starts to go away when you start noticing the bad bits of Apple.

  • Magic Mouse is a genuinely ****** mouse.
  • Magic Keyboard is a mediocre laptop style keyboard at an inflated price.
  • Studio Display has the specs of a ~$500-600 4K display, but is priced at 3x that just because it's Apple and 5K res.
  • Requiring a USB hub to add to your Mac Mini because it doesn't come with a single USB-A port adds inconvenience.
  • The base storage of 256 GB means you'll likely run into the need to get an external drive, again adding clutter and inconvenience.
Get an m2 pro. 4 TB plugs and 2 usb a, 512 storage and 16gb ram. And you compare 4k to 5k monitors. Of course they will cost more because of the extra k.
 
I'm ordering this MacAlly Keyboard for $60 and a $10 MacAlly Mouse.
 
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You've made a wise choice with MSI as your monitor. In time, you may find yourself regretting the Magic Mouse. I purchased mine from a rather disgruntled user, and now I've been introduced to the joys of a trackball mouse, so the Magic Mouse will soon be up for sale.

Already disliking the remote. Double-clicks are tough. The cursor moves between clicks.....so nothing happens.

I am returning it to MicoCenter this week and will get the TrackPad. I am hoping the TrackPad will give me a similar experience to the MacBook.
 
If you're not seeing 2x scaling options on a 4K TV ("looks like" 1920x1080 but still displays content at 3840x2160) then that's something I'd consider a bug which should be fixed. My argument only applies to non-integer scaling options.

You might try BetterDisplay, it's helped me before.
What would the option look like? I only see normal resolutions listed and when i list all resolutions it just adds other non standard ones as well as "low resolution". I have a HDMI 2.1 able hooked up and it can display up to 4k/120hz HDR.
 
Already disliking the remote. Double-clicks are tough. The cursor moves between clicks.....so nothing happens.

I am returning it to MicoCenter this week and will get the TrackPad. I am hoping the TrackPad will give me a similar experience to the MacBook.
I have a trackpad at work, I had the same logic, “it will feel like a MacBook.” For me anyway, it didn’t. It feels like you’re sliding your fingers across a big sheet of metal instead of using a mouse.

Part of the problem is when you’re using a MacBook Pro, your thumbs and hands are perfectly positioned to use the trackpad when you need to. It’s quite hard to get that kind of positioning with a full sized keyboard. I like lots of key travel and audio feedback, so I need a big clunky keyboard. The trackpad sits off to the side, where the mouse should be. Maybe you’ll find a better solution.
 
I agree it would be ideal if iMacs (all AIOs) could be repurposed as a monitor. But I acknowledge that it’s probably not a high priority for the main target demographic of AIOs. It seems to me those are people or organizations that value simplicity and aesthetics above all else for their computing needs—more than performance and more than getting the best bang for your buck when factoring in future upgrades. Not prioritizing performance, these types of customers probably don’t replace their system often, and when they do they probably want to replace it with another AIO rather than repurpose their old AIO into a dedicated display and go modular going forward. And if they have an AIO it’s probably because they only wanted a single display (simplicity), but if they wanted dual they probably would have gotten a second display long before waiting for their next AIO upgrade—so already having dual displays they probably don’t even want to bother turning their old AIO into a second display. They probably just want to get rid of it, either sell it or pass it on like an old car.

But the usability of Macs can be stretched for quite a long time. It’s just that the usability gets more limited as time goes on. I hate waste so my hope is that old iMacs get sold or passed along to people with increasingly basic needs until both the computer and display are obsolete at roughly the same time.
Perhaps older Macs, but not (probably) new Macs. Take for example the 2019 iMac with a 27" 5K screen that I still use for light photo editing. The first thing I did was to cram the RAM slots with Crucial RAM modules. The 2TB fusion drive and CPU/GPU are slow, but I still can replace the hard drive with a very large SSD since there is lots of room inside, and not issues with cooling. And yes, the USB ports are slower and I cannot do anything about it, but I am certain that this iMac can live for several more years with upgrades.

Now, look at the new M4 iMac: it is not upgradeable, I assume that it will have cooling issues if pushed hard (not room inside), and it would cost a fortune to choose one with a 2-4TB SSD. Now, the M4 Mini has one good thing going for it, and that is a "possible" non-Apple SSD upgrade. But that's about it, since both the Mini and the iMac are better of with the Home Folder and apps in an external SSD, unless the buyer "needs or wants or can afford" a larger SSD inside. I see the new iMac much like a 24" M4 iPad with a larger store room inside. It looks pretty, but 😁
 
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Well, you could also argue the magic starts to go away when you start noticing the bad bits of Apple.

  • Magic Mouse is a genuinely ****** mouse.
  • Magic Keyboard is a mediocre laptop style keyboard at an inflated price.
  • Studio Display has the specs of a ~$500-600 4K display, but is priced at 3x that just because it's Apple and 5K res.
  • Requiring a USB hub to add to your Mac Mini because it doesn't come with a single USB-A port adds inconvenience.
  • The base storage of 256 GB means you'll likely run into the need to get an external drive, again adding clutter and inconvenience.
Magic Mouse is superb … smooth scrooling an its gestures
 
Already disliking the remote. Double-clicks are tough. The cursor moves between clicks.....so nothing happens.

I am returning it to MicoCenter this week and will get the TrackPad. I am hoping the TrackPad will give me a similar experience to the MacBook.
Indeed, the Magic Trackpad is rather splendid, one of Apple's finer innovations! Curiously, ever since I acquired a trackball mouse, I've hardly laid a finger on the trackpad, save for zooming in on a page or rotating an image. I'm still on the lookout for a way to enable the back and forward buttons on the trackball mouse while using Safari. They function perfectly with every other web browser I've tried, though.

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I've just received a design enhancement for my Magic Mouse from China, and it only set me back $3.38. It's already quite comfortable to use! The back is elevated to ~ 7° degrees. I'm planning to add something to the back bottom to elevate it to around a 20° angle, which should fit my palm quite well ergonomically. It glides beautifully on the mat underneath, which was a mere $2.21.
 
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What's the PPI on that $299 34" monitor you spec'd? How bright is it? What kind of webcam, speakers and mic does it have? But hey, it's definitely big!
110 dpi, so perfect for scaling.

Having a webcam but no faceid is a con, not a pro. I love my "sorry, I don't have a camera attached" excuse.

Why would be a higher max brightness any value to people not maxing out even the lower ones?

I've never ever used the mic even on my Macbook. Well-mannered people have headsets for meetings.

Yes, it's big, especially wider! I'd rather see more than not see some apps, but don't see them in better quality.

Now it's time for my questions!

Does Studio Display support multiple imput sources? That should be pretty basic, right?

Does Studio Display have a KVM switch for multiple imput sources it must surely support, right?

Does Studio Display have any other ports than usb-c/thunderbolt-3 to actually act as a hub, like usb-a or ethernet?

What's the refresh rate, again?
 
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It's a 5K display, which means it has a full 77% more pixels* than a 4K display. That means it's quite a bit sharper, which is why it costs more. I guess you could get that newish 5K Samsung for under $1K but by all accounts the build quality is fairly janky and the rest of it gets mixed reviews. Fact is, there just isn't that much competition out there in this space, and it's absolutely worth it for designers or anyone who wants a true retina display on a Mac desktop.

* 5K = 5120 x 2880 = 14,745,600 px
4K = 3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400 px
14,745,600/8,294,400 = 1.77 (177%)
Which still does not mean it should cost 3x as much.

If you want to compare pixels, my Samsung G95NC has:
  • 7680x2160 = 16 588 800 pixels
  • 240 Hz refresh rate, 120 Hz on MacOS. So 2x or 4x refresh rate of the Apple Studio Display.
  • More inputs.
  • Proper HDR capabilities.
Yet this display regularly goes for a lot cheaper than the Apple 5K.

I'd say the ASUS ProArt 5K display at <$1000 is priced at what an Apple Studio Display 5K spec screen should cost. I'd have a lot less complaints about the ASD if it was say $1000 for "Apple tax". But $1599 is way too much for what it is. It should be either cheaper, or more capable (e.g mini-LED with proper HDR) for the money.
 
110 dpi, so perfect for scaling.

Having a webcam but no faceid is a con, not a pro. I love my "sorry, I don't have a camera attached" excuse.

Why would be a higher max brightness any value to people not maxing out even the lower ones?

I've never ever used the mic even on my Macbook. Well-mannered people have headsets for meetings.

Yes, it's big, especially wider! I'd rather see more than not see some apps, but don't see them in better quality.

Now it's time for my questions!

Does Studio Display support multiple imput sources? That should be pretty basic, right?

Does Studio Display have a KVM switch for multiple imput sources it must surely support, right?

Does Studio Display have any other ports than usb-c/thunderbolt-3 to actually act as a hub, like usb-a or ethernet?

What's the refresh rate, again?

I think the takeaway here is that people have different priorities. You want a specific set of (non-) features and want to be able to run multiple computers into one display. You don't really mind ultra-low resolution. So, sounds like you have the right monitor for you. I wouldn't last 10 minutes looking at a 110 dpi display here in the year 2024, personally, but if it works for you, great!

But plenty of other people have different needs, and it's not at all unusual to want a bright, high-resolution display equipped with the same conferencing tools any laptop has, built into one package connected with one cable.
 
Which still does not mean it should cost 3x as much.

If you want to compare pixels, my Samsung G95NC has:
  • 7680x2160 = 16 588 800 pixels
  • 240 Hz refresh rate, 120 Hz on MacOS. So 2x or 4x refresh rate of the Apple Studio Display.
  • More inputs.
  • Proper HDR capabilities.

    Yet this display regularly goes for a lot cheaper than the Apple 5K.
Sounds nice. But also I see it seems to cost about $1600 on Amazon right now which is more than the ASD. Wouldn't work for me because of the ultrawide ratio, but HDR and the refresh rate sounds cool. I do wish the ASD had those features but as a designer they're a whole lot less important to me.

I'd say the ASUS ProArt 5K display at <$1000 is priced at what an Apple Studio Display 5K spec screen should cost. I'd have a lot less complaints about the ASD if it was say $1000 for "Apple tax". But $1599 is way too much for what it is. It should be either cheaper, or more capable (e.g mini-LED with proper HDR) for the money.
I actually looked at this ASUS and was very excited about it... until I saw it has no web cam, no speakers, no mic, which means I'd have to buy and attach all that separately. So not really comparable unfortunately. I think it would be an excellent option for a docked MacBook, though.

Like I said, unfortunately there are very few direct competitors to the Apple Studio Display. The closest I've seen seems to be the Samsung Viewfinity S9. I think the vast majority of people have settled on 4K as a good enough resolution and therefore there's a TON of competition in that space to drive the prices down.
 
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I actually looked at this ASUS and was very excited about it... until I saw it has no web cam, no speakers, no mic, which means I'd have to buy and attach all that separately. So not really comparable unfortunately. I think it would be an excellent option for a docked MacBook, though.
The ASUS monitor offers better colour accuracy, including both backlight and ambient light sensors for real-time adjustment, includes multiple connectivity options including a built-in KVM, includes both the tilt-and-height adjustable stand and VESA mounting options, fully supports all major operating systems, and is HDR Certified.

The Apple Studio Display is encased in aluminum and has a camera, mic, and speakers integrated in it.

Yes, you're right. The two are not comparable at all.
 
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The ASUS monitor offers better colour accuracy, including both backlight and ambient light sensors for real-time adjustment, includes multiple connectivity options including a built-in KVM, includes both the tilt-and-height adjustable stand and VESA mounting options, fully supports all major operating systems, and is HDR Certified.

The Apple Studio Display is encased in aluminum and has a camera, mic, and speakers integrated in it.

Yes, you're right. The two are not comparable at all.
Yeah dude. Like I just said, it sounds like a great monitor if you only need a display. Move on.
 
Yeah dude. Like I just said, it sounds like a great monitor if you only need a display. Move on.
"It's a great window if you only need a transparent piece of glass." Ok guy.

ETA: It is absolutely okay if the features you personally prioritize in a monitor are those that are secondary to its primary purpose of "...be a great display", but if that is the case, you should just be honest with yourself about it. There's no need to talk about resolution and pixel density and nits and colour accuracy and all that other stuff when all you really care about is "I want a monitor that has an aluminum shell, built in camera, speakers, and microphone, and looks great from the back and keeps my desk clear of extra stuff." There are lots of people who pay good money for polish. It is okay to admit that you're one of them.
 
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The ASUS monitor offers better colour accuracy, including both backlight and ambient light sensors for real-time adjustment, includes multiple connectivity options including a built-in KVM, includes both the tilt-and-height adjustable stand and VESA mounting options, fully supports all major operating systems, and is HDR Certified.

The Apple Studio Display is encased in aluminum and has a camera, mic, and speakers integrated in it.

Yes, you're right. The two are not comparable at all.
The Apple Studio Display has a higher maximum brightness.
 
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What would the option look like? I only see normal resolutions listed and when i list all resolutions it just adds other non standard ones as well as "low resolution". I have a HDMI 2.1 able hooked up and it can display up to 4k/120hz HDR.
When I plugged my Mac mini into a 4K TV it just worked without changing any settings. But I think the "low resolution" 1920x1080 should be actual 1920x1080, while the other 1920x1080 should be 3840x2160 but scaled 2x, meaning you get the crisp UI and any content you watch is being displayed at the full 3840x2160.
 
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