The MacRumors Show: Giving Vision Pro Another Chance

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On this week's episode of The MacRumors Show, we dive back into the Vision Pro with Apple's new M5 model.

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Apple's new Vision Pro headset features the M5 chip for better performance and efficiency, 10% more rendered pixels, a refresh rate of up to 120Hz, longer battery life, and an all-new counterweighted Dual Knit headband with a focus on improved comfort. Arriving 20 months after the original model, the Vision Pro now runs visionOS 26 and offers widgets, hands-free scrolling, enhanced Mac Virtual Display mode, significantly improved Personas, a broader selection of immersive content, and more.

We discuss how much better the new version really is and whether it's finally time to give Apple's spatial computing device another chance. The MacRumors Show has its own YouTube channel, so make sure you're subscribed to keep up with new episodes and clips.

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[fathergll]

Hartley's costume for the big Halloween party tonight

 

[ThatGuyInLa]

Neat! Can we have the cash value instead?

 

[Miamtl]

Can someone watch this and resume it here lol

 

[twintin]

Can someone watch this and resume it here lol

Best product since sliced bread. No competitor even come close. 🫡😊

 

[routine_analyst]

Dan looks great lately. Lost a lot of weight - you can tell he's worked for it. Good job.

Now AVP avatar - LOL - I will refuse to ever talk to something like that - NO.

Struggled to follow the logic of opening a Home Screen easier making watching a full feature film using AVP more manageable. Why wasn't it there when it launched? It's called iterative innovation. The adoption friction comes from price and the form factor - people use their eyes to make eye contact with others - builds trust, relationships, attraction, etc. Hiding this with some snorkeling mask is a deal breaker.

 

[fanboy05]

I love my AVP. I have used it nearly every day since getting it. Between media and the MacBook screens and my almost non stop travel use it has been well worth the money. For most people the cost is prohibitive and even if the cost was more in line with an average potential user the weight is the second issue for people. I am lucky and the weight has never been an issue thanks to the cap set up that removes the weight from my face entirely. AVP really is a great device. I hope they continue to work on it!

 

[xmach]

I love my AVP. ... I am lucky and the weight has never been an issue thanks to the cap set up that removes the weight from my face entirely.

What do you mean by this? What is a "cap set up"?

 

[EU-Regulations]

check casey neistats review on youtube.

 

[d-klumpp]

The discussion of whether the AVP M2 was "ready" for its initial launch is a repeat across the evolution of technology. Remember when we all got excited about the internet because we could use our dial-up modem to watch a coffee maker from afar? Or remember how cool it was to hold the iPhone 3G, despite the very few apps were first available? Of course the AVP was initially primitive compared to just months later. And cheers to those pioneers that plunked down their cash to lead the AVP revolution, putting up with a year-plus of clunkiness!

 

[d___d]

Tried it again today with the Dual Knit Band, and was seriously impressed. The weight distribution is so much better! The OS is looking great, and they can’t even demo some of the most compelling features like Personas or SharePlay in store. Cost and social stigma are going to hold it back for a while, but what a compelling glimpse into the future…

 

[vantelimus]

Tried it again today with the Dual Knit Band, and was seriously impressed. The weight distribution is so much better! The OS is looking great, and they can’t even demo some of the most compelling features like Personas or SharePlay in store. Cost and social stigma are going to hold it back for a while, but what a compelling glimpse into the future…

Explain please. What do you think the social stigma is?

 

[vantelimus]

The reviewer says: "It's just not something I want to wear for more than an hour even if it was comfortable, because I want to come back to reality."

Reality is overrated. Give me the isolation of the Vision Pro while I'm working.

 

[Corpuscle]

social stigma are going to hold it back for a while,

Huh? What stigma??? The only "stigma" is the one that only exists in the minds of most MR posters who love to propagate Apple hate.

 

[Morgenland]

I really enjoyed your conversation. I’ve owned the AVP since it first hit the European market, and I’ve never once thought of it as a bad investment. I’ve also never felt the need to discuss it with people who imagine everything without actually owning it—those who equate “saving money” with experience.

Once, after work, I let a colleague try it on in a café. She was thrilled, and we ended up having long conversations about the future possibilities in fashion and interior design. Happiness isn’t something you need to impose on others, and those who endlessly debate the “perfect price,” like a carousel stuck on repeat, often can’t let themselves be captivated by an amazing piece of technology—they’ve already dismissed the experience.

The conversation itself was excellent. The younger British colleague has clearly matured—he summarized points clearly, thoughtfully, and convincingly. I also appreciated how the usual social complaints about “the price is too high” gave way to genuine respect—for Apple, the developers, the improvements, and even the sales team. Conversations like this, between thoughtful, mature men, are a real pleasure to listen to from start to finish. Thank you for that.

 

[sjsharksfan12]

It feels like the Vision Pro was released yesterday and it's now already past M2? Where does time go.

 

[d___d]

Huh? What stigma??? The only "stigma" is the one that only exists in the minds of most MR posters who love to propagate Apple hate.

Perhaps it’s the wrong word, but I mean that there are disincentives use the device around other people, whereas mobile phones and regular displays are currently much more socially acceptable. If you have limited leisure time and a partner who isn’t particularly into immersive entertainment, Apple Vision Pro is unlikely to see much use.

To be clear there’s no hate here. XR technologies fascinate me, as does the history of their adoption.

 

[banfiz]

Everyone is talking about the M5 Chip but I have seen virtually no coverage of the R2 chip which is just as important and somewhat more interesting.

 

[leifp]

Everyone is talking about the M5 Chip but I have seen virtually no coverage of the R2 chip which is just as important and somewhat more interesting.

You should have seen exactly zero coverage of the R2 chip. Because there isn’t one, as yet. The M5 chipped VisionPro still has the R1 chip.

 

[now i see it]

Giving Vision Pro Another Chance​

The most damning title referring to the first gen - ever

 

[Hogswarts]

IMHO a significant contributor to the "get this thing off me!" feeling is that content is all displayed at a relatively fixed focal distance--our lenses barely need to adjust when looking around. I don't see how that ever changes for a headset, except with glasses that can overlay content onto the real world, eyes will be able to look at objects other than the content, which will reside a different focal distances than the content and thus allow lenses to flex themselves.

 

[mansplains]

I still like how Apple added more weight overall, instead of removing the worthless glass front where some heft resides. Sure, the counterweight helps, but a lighter unit reduces fatigue. Removing the glass and screen on the front would also lower cost.

 

[Schizoid]

Same pointless goggles, same neck pain

 

[phenste]

Tried it again today with the Dual Knit Band, and was seriously impressed. The weight distribution is so much better! The OS is looking great, and they can’t even demo some of the most compelling features like Personas or SharePlay in store. Cost and social stigma are going to hold it back for a while, but what a compelling glimpse into the future…

anyone who feels social stigma based on a $3,500 purchase is not the target market for this product

 

[phenste]

Perhaps it’s the wrong word, but I mean that there are disincentives use the device around other people, whereas mobile phones and regular displays are currently much more socially acceptable. If you have limited leisure time and a partner who isn’t particularly into immersive entertainment, Apple Vision Pro is unlikely to see much use.

To be clear there’s no hate here. XR technologies fascinate me, as does the history of their adoption.

to elaborate on my last comment (thank you for elaborating on yours)- this devices strikes me as a device to be used on one’s own, whether for work or leisure. particularly at this price point, I cannot imagine folks wanting to travel with it, even to their primary workplace. Apple definitely has some public use cases advertised on their website (watching a movie on an airplane quickly comes to mind), but, Apple’s had plenty of advertised use cases for its products that have quickly come & gone. the market dictates what a product ultimately is (e.g. Apple Watches were not primarily marketed as fitness/health devices early on, now it’s practically all they’re advertised for)