The MacRumors Show: Vision Pro Deep Dive Following Our WWDC Demo

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On this week's episode of The MacRumors Show, we take a deep dive into the experience of using Apple's Vision Pro headset and what to expect when it goes on sale next year.

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Dan is one of the lucky individuals who has had a chance to try out Vision Pro, so we discuss his personal experience with the device. We talk through the headset's comfort, external battery pack, eye-tracking, and input mechanisms, as well as its price point, and whether it can replace any existing Apple devices.

• Video: Trying the Apple Vision Pro Headset

We reflect on Vision Pro's eye tracking technology and what sort of trajectory the product line is likely to follow. We also touch on whether the 15-inch MacBook Air has lived up to expectations now that users have got their hands on it.

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[DrNevs]

Dan’s audio is out of sync. One episode of not having to edit the podcast himself and he’s forgotten how to edit 🤣

 

[sjsharksfan12]

I'm glad Dan enjoyed the headset. It sounds like a great product, even though I still get Ready Player One dystopian vibes when I saw it. I won't pay 4000 for it so it will be a few years before I can try it out, but it seems to already be a hit.

Looking forward to your IOS 17 and Watch OS10 coverage next week.

 

[segfaultdotorg]

Can't wait for the iVision Pro to be released!

 

[Analog Kid]

Dan’s audio is out out sync. One episode of not having to edit the podcast himself and he’s forgotten how to edit 🤣

Seems that clapboard serves a purpose...

 

[klasma]

Can't wait for the iVision Pro to be released!

Unfortunately, it seems that only the Vision Pro will be released.

 

[vegetassj4]

Deep Dive huh?

 

[Solomani]

Deep Dive huh?

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iSnärkel. the Swedish Edition!

 

[Mr. Dee]

I agree that its gonna replace the Mac for a lot of very rich people. Apple is gonna have a hard time keeping up with demand when this thing is released. The fact that Zuckerberg is looking forward to trying it, influencers, deep pocketed people. There is a first year sale of 5 million for this device.

 

[MrTemple]

The kid’s blank stare when he was asked if he thought Steve Jobs would have worn it. (Edit: 23m55s)

Reminds me of the exchange in Die Hard:

Special Agent Johnson: “Whoo! Just like Saigon, huh Slick?”

Agent Johnson: “I was in junior high, d¡ckhead.”

 

[subjonas]

They mentioned that pic-taking/video-recording with a phone would keep you more present in the moment than doing so with the headset. I’m not so sure about that.

Sure the headset makes you look funny, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you aren’t as present.

With a phone, you’re holding and looking at a little screen making sure the subject stays in frame, which means you don’t get to look directly at the subject life size*. I know when I record an event with my phone, I often feel like I’m missing the actual event because my attention is on my little screen on my little device that I’m holding.

With the headset, the screen fills your field of view, so as far as you know, you’re just looking directly at the subject. Your attention is on the life size subject in front of you, and you have your full (or nearly full?) normal field of vision, so you should feel fully present while wearing it. And EyeSight is supposed to make you fully present to others. Again, weird yes, but present. And weird can go away over time.

It would have been nice if Apple let people test pic-taking and video-recording so we could hear some first hand experience insight. Did they, anyone know?

*The exception maybe being if you are far away from the subject and can zoom in further with the phone camera. That makes me wonder if the VP will have any zoom function. I sort of doubt it, for the first model anyway.

 

[marcinsf]

boring, reminds me of the Star Trek Next Gen glasses that everyone on the ship wore and got brainwashed with and stopped responding. I'm with @Solomani

 

[acconda81]

Apple, Hurry with them and take my money already can't wait

 

[jdclifford]

Seems that clapboard serves a purpose...

@Dan Barbera 's audio has been out of sync on a few of the recent podcasts but @Hartley 's seems fine.

 

[anthogag]

I will be getting Vision Pro. I would carry it around in my backpack. What kind of case will Apple make for the Vision? Better than the 1/2-case for AirPods Max...

The top strap should come with the goggles. Most people will probably need it for better support. Apple probably removed it during the unveiling because it looks cooler. I think it looks better with the top strap on.

 

[4nNtt]

The rumor mill is just going crazy when it comes to the optics of the product. I don't think they are afraid of becoming memes. I think the main reason nobody on stage put it on is the EyeSight feature isn't finished. I think they will not shy away from wearing closer to launch. It is a computer though, and we don't generally see them using a computer on stage either.

 

[4nNtt]

Deep Dive huh?

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Need to wait for the Vision Ultra to take it scuba diving

 

[xnu]

28:30 is the most important point to me as a technology platform.... When this tech gets to the other devices. Great video!

 

[bobob]

I agree that its gonna replace the Mac for a lot of very rich people.

I don't believe it's only going to be "rich people" replacing their Macs with a Vision Pro.

A bottom-of-the-line 16" MacBook Pro costs $2499, compared to the Vision Pro at $3499.

Anyone who needs a laptop computer to earn their living may find it a smart choice. If you use it for work 8 hours a day, why wouldn't you want the most efficient and productive tool? For example, whenever there's a press conference about a Mars landing, you see all the planetary scientists with their MacBook Pros hard at work.

Construction contractors spend $50,000+ on their work pickup trucks because it is a critical tool they use every day.

I don't see $3499 being a barrier to any working person.

 

[Surf Monkey]

The rumor mill is just going crazy when it comes to the optics of the product. I don't think they are afraid of becoming memes. I think the main reason nobody on stage put it on is the EyeSight feature isn't finished. I think they will not shy away from wearing closer to launch. It is a computer though, and we don't generally see them using a computer on stage either.

If it looks the same then as it does now? Doubtful that we’ll see that. Goggles don’t look cool.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I don't believe it's only going to be "rich people" replacing their Macs with a Vision Pro.

A bottom-of-the-line 16" MacBook Pro costs $2499, compared to the Vision Pro at $3499.

Anyone who needs a laptop computer to earn their living may find it a smart choice. If you use it for work 8 hours a day, why wouldn't you want the most efficient and productive tool? For example, whenever there's a press conference about a Mars landing, you see all the planetary scientists with their MacBook Pros hard at work.

Construction contractors spend $50,000+ on their work pickup trucks because it is a critical tool they use every day.

I don't see $3499 being a barrier to any working person.

Looking into a screen that obscures your entire field of vision for eight hours every day of the work week?

Sounds like a nightmare.

 

[ninethirty]

Looking into a screen that obscures your entire field of vision for eight hours every day of the work week?

Sounds like a nightmare.

People who have used it disagree. But sure, let's go with your take.

 

[Sinocelt]

I don't see $3499 being a barrier to any working person.

It depends on what job you have, unfortunately, and in which country.

That said, yes, if the Vision Pro can replace any number of monitors of any size, then for people who can afford it, it can actually be a bargain. Especially if said people both need both a lot of screen space and to travel.

Of course, the OS and its apps need to be as useful as MacOS and its programs (or are we calling everything "apps" now? I guess we do).

I've been a PC guy for the past . . . my God . . . 34 years. I'm what you'd call a power user on Windows (which doesn't mean I like Windows, just that I know how to deal with its many quirks, even when that means going back to DOS mode), yet the iPad Pro could have made me switch: I was really impressed by the hardware and might have gone to the Apple side it had been possible to use MacOS on it, in addition to iOS.

(Windows, ironically, can easily switch from tablet mode to PC mode, but the hardware isn't up to the task: nothing on the PC side today equals even the "old" M1 for power efficiency, and the app offering for Windows tablets is laughable compared to the app offering for iOS.)

I'm afraid of a similar situation with the Vision Pro: Even if it can replace a MacBook hardware-wise (which doesn't just necessitate a powerful processor, enough RAM, and a big enough SSD, but also all-day comfort for the eyes, head, and neck), will it be able to replace a MacBook OS-wise?

The iPad Pro still can't.

Right now, Apple expects most people who buy an iPad Pro to also have a MacBook (or a Mac mini, or a Mac Studio). If, likewise, they expect most people who buy the Vision Pro to also have a MacBook, then the Vision Pro is no longer the potential bargain I was mentioning in the second paragraph of this ridiculously long first post.

 

[Surf Monkey]

People who have used it disagree. But sure, let's go with your take.

They do? Prove it. I’ve read pretty much everything that’s been written about it and the overall consensus is that the product is isolating and extremely unlikely to ever be universally popular. Furthermore, no one has worn this thing for eight straight hours as far as we know, so yeah. Let’s go with reality (also known as “my take” by you.)

 

[Surf Monkey]

It depends on what job you have, unfortunately, and in which country.

That said, yes, if the Vision Pro can replace any number of monitors of any size, then for people who can afford it, it can actually be a bargain. Especially if said people both need both a lot of screen space and to travel.

Of course, the OS and its apps need to be as useful as MacOS and its programs (or are we calling everything "apps" now? I guess we do).

I've been a PC guy for the past . . . my God . . . 34 years. I'm what you'd call a power user on Windows (which doesn't mean I like Windows, just that I know how to deal with its many quirks, even when that means going back to DOS mode), yet the iPad Pro could have made me switch: I was really impressed by the hardware and might have gone to the Apple side it had been possible to use MacOS on it, in addition to iOS.

(Windows, ironically, can easily switch from tablet mode to PC mode, but the hardware isn't up to the task: nothing on the PC side today equals even the "old" M1 for power efficiency, and the app offering for Windows tablets is laughable compared to the app offering for iOS.)

I'm afraid of a similar situation with the Vision Pro: Even if it can replace a MacBook hardware-wise (which doesn't just necessitate a powerful processor, enough RAM, and a big enough SSD, but also all-day comfort for the eyes, head, and neck), will it be able to replace a MacBook OS-wise?

The iPad Pro still can't.

Right now, Apple expects most people who buy an iPad Pro to also have a MacBook (or a Mac mini, or a Mac Studio). If, likewise, they expect most people who buy the Vision Pro to also have a MacBook, then the Vision Pro is no longer the potential bargain I was mentioning in the second paragraph of this ridiculously long first post.

All of this is predicated on the idea that people want to stare into a screen a few millimeters from their eyes that encompasses their entire field of vision for hours on end. Because let’s not fool ourselves. There is a huge difference between a virtual screen overlaid on a live video feed of the world and a physical screen in the actual real world. Never mind the fact that goggles just don’t look cool on any level.