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Oh, you know, the team that won the Series in its second year in Los Angeles, instead of 53 years of trying like that San Francisco team. The World Series title count between LA and SF is now 5-1. Way to finally get on the board! :p

Hey now, the Dodgers and Giants franchises are now tied with 6 World Series titles each.
 
Oh, you know, the team that won the Series in its second year in Los Angeles, instead of 53 years of trying like that San Francisco team. The World Series title count between LA and SF is now 5-1. Way to finally get on the board! :p

LA and SF, if you want to narrow those guidelines.

You know there were once teams named the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants and they were both contenders. If you go far enough back, the NY Yankees had a different name. Before your time though.

I did meet a lady who was an original NY Giants and SF Giants fan who had all the black and orange on. She remembers the Willie Mays catch and saw Bonds hit #62. A true fan. I want to get an orange script NY hat, the same script that the Mets later borrowed.
 
LA and SF, if you want to narrow those guidelines.

You know there were once teams named the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants and they were both contenders. If you go far enough back, the NY Yankees had a different name. Before your time though.

I did meet a lady who was an original NY Giants and SF Giants fan who had all the black and orange on. She remembers the Willie Mays catch and saw Bonds hit #62. A true fan. I want to get an orange script NY hat, the same script that the Mets later borrowed.
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You know there were once teams named the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants and they were both contenders. If you go far enough back, the NY Yankees had a different name. Before your time though.

I'm aware. I'm not an idiot. Presumably the New York Highlanders were before your time too.

The currently rivalry is between Los Angeles and San Francisco, not Brooklyn vs. Manhattan. I can guarantee you that Giants fans in Nocal have been yearning to have one World Series title they can call their own. Sure, the franchises had other pennants and championships before the move west, but it is not the same. The people there have a far greater connection to McCovey and Marichal than they do to John McGraw and Mel Ott. In the same way, many LA fans know of Babe Herman, Pete Reiser and Ralph Branca, but there isn't the same kind of connection to the Dodgers that those fans have actually seen play.

Or maybe I only live in a world that's in the middle of a Yankee dynasty.

:rolleyes:
 
Or maybe I only live in a world that's in the middle of a Yankee dynasty.

:rolleyes:

We all have lived in that world for the past nine decades. Until there is a salary cap, the Yankees will be a dynasty.

As for LA, I don't dislike them the way some SF fans do. Being a baby boomer, I saw LA pretty much be the dominant team most of the time so any SF win I saw as a great thing regardless of which season it was.

You guys had Koufax and Valenzuela, and us Giants don't know great and consistent pitching and won't know it until we see sh** like that come down. Nomo at his height in Dodger blue was a scary thing, too.

I am glad Lincecum held up because this year he did shows signs of wearing out, either physically or mentally. Until last night, I was not really sure how things would go. I even imagined if Lee did poorly, we still may have lost if the freak wasn't the freak.

Now in 2008 and 2009, I would have been more confident for Lincecum, but as he is not going to get close to any Cy Young this year, I am glad everybody pitched in a tiny bit here and there to get the job done. We really didn't have the superstars like NYY seems to have on an annual basis. It's a reason why most experts picked Philly over SF, and Texas over SF.
 
We all have lived in that world for the past nine decades. Until there is a salary cap, the Yankees will be a dynasty.

How about making a salary minimum as well?

I'm a Yankees fan so I'm not the most objective person in the world.

Or getting rid of those teams that refuse to put any money into their ballclubs? Why should teams like the Kansas City Royals take the luxury tax $$ and pocket it instead of putting a major league team on the field.

If you have decent players a good team, no matter the market (except maybe Tampa) people will come. And when people come you make more money. In this business you have to spend money to make money.

I live in Houston now and they have this beautiful ballpark that nobody goes to because the team is god awful. Yet they have this owner who is a billionaire. Say what you want about the Yankees, but they put their money where their mouth is. At least they're giving their fans a reason to spend money. What reason do Royals or Pirates or Brewers fans have? And I know that spending money doesn't always equal winning (METS). You have to spend it smartly. The Rangers tried spending and all it got them was bankrupt. But to not even try?

They need to get rid of these teams where the owners aren't showing any desire to actually field a winning team. Less teams means there are more talented players to go around.

And say what you want about a salary cap...will it truly work? Has it worked in the NBA? Talk about a dynasty. Or the NFL...they've had more multiple winners in the last decade than in baseball I think.
 
Hey so now that the season is over I just wanted to thank everybody in this thread. It truly was a great collaborative experience. I was more updated by this thread than by the MLB beat writers which really says a lot to the devotion of the crowd here. Hope to see the same bunch next season too!
 
Oh, you know, the team that won the Series in its second year in Los Angeles, instead of 53 years of trying like that San Francisco team. The World Series title count between LA and SF is now 5-1. Way to finally get on the board! :p

Seriously though, speaking as Dodger fan, congrats to the Giants fans. They deserved to win one eventually. It's a shame that players like McCovey and Marichal never won one, but I'm glad that Bonds didn't.

Enjoy it while it lasts because you never know how long the next wait will be!
Thanks, aloofman. Classy as always. I'm hoping the young Giants pitching means this is just the first. I like it when Barry Zito is the best fifth starter in the game - albeit a little overpaid for the role. Cheers!
 
Thanks, aloofman. Classy as always. I'm hoping the young Giants pitching means this is just the first. I like it when Barry Zito is the best fifth starter in the game - albeit a little overpaid for the role. Cheers!

The odds are certainly against them, just like they would be against any team. I don't think people realize how much of a crapshoot the playoffs are.

On the other hand, no one sees a period of one-team dominance coming until we're in the middle of it, so you never know. You'll forgive me if I don't want the Giants to be that team. :D
 
The odds are certainly against them, just like they would be against any team. I don't think people realize how much of a crapshoot the playoffs are.

On the other hand, no one sees a period of one-team dominance coming until we're in the middle of it, so you never know. You'll forgive me if I don't want the Giants to be that team. :D

My God, man, look at your records vs. ours. You guys in LA are way, way ahead. Division titles, world series rings, and picking up great, great talent.

Really, in your lifetime, how have the Giants posed a threat to you? We were only a credible threat in the NY days, but then there were three great teams with the Bronx Bombers, Brooklyn, and the Giants (later the Mets) over in Washington Heights. My wife lived there and saw both the Giants and the Mets live there before they tore down that historic stadium (Polo Grounds near Washington Heights, Manhattan).

I was more confident with the SF Giants in past years when they had stars instead of one big star (Tim Lincecum). I thought the chances of us getting in the playoffs were remote with San Diego ahead of us most of the time and Atlanta chasing a wild card spot.

Watch out big time for San Diego next year. That will be your rival and ours.

Then we had to face Atlanta in the postseason, who I thought we may be able to conquer but who also had an even chance to beat us, I didn't think we would have much left after that.

Then Philly, where I thought we had the poorest chances.

And by the time we got to Texas, they had already beat the Yankees so I thought by then we were in bad shape. They had nothing in 50 seasons and therefore had absolutely nothing to lose. I didn't think Tim had any steam left in him yet he pulled off two big wins (one ugly and the other in 2008-2009 fashion).

This playoff season was a real mess for a lot of teams and we had what it took at the right times. If we don't do it again with the crew we have, I don't expect the Giants to pull this off again in my lifetime. If anything, if there is a long drought, I expect LA to get several before we (the Giants fans) see one again. I wonder about Renteria and Uribe with their age, and if that's a factor, then where are we? Barry Zito is over the hill and we got no promises from an obviously over the hill Randy Johnson.

And no matter what happens to LA or SF, the Yankees will get a couple a decade forever.
 
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This is just breaking now but legendary manager Sparky Anderson died today at age 76.
 
I heard that on the way to class. He was a real legend and one of the few bosses known by an entire nation.
 
RIP Sparky. Sad day for baseball.

Also somewhat ironic that Clyde King passed away a few days after the Giants finally won a title in San Francisco. He managed the Giants in 1969 and 1970 before moving on to a long career in the Yankees front office, doing an excellent job as their GM in the early to mid 80s. RIP.
 
My God, man, look at your records vs. ours. You guys in LA are way, way ahead. Division titles, world series rings, and picking up great, great talent.

I'm not sure which of my comments you're reacting to. I was saying that in recent years teams haven't been able to repeat playoff success (except for the 2008-09 Phillies) and that, as good as the Giants look now, no one has any idea whether they will ever do it again. The 1988 Dodgers were a borderline miracle, but I never would have believed that they wouldn't even play in another World Series in the 22 seasons after that. You never know how long it will be.


This is just breaking now but legendary manager Sparky Anderson died today at age 76.

Sad news. One of the more colorful and successful managers we've ever seen. I actually bumped into him in a restaurant once. Humble and polite as ever. It was like meeting a friend of my grandfather's that I'd known for years.
 
I'm not sure which of my comments you're reacting to. I was saying that in recent years teams haven't been able to repeat playoff success (except for the 2008-09 Phillies) and that, as good as the Giants look now, no one has any idea whether they will ever do it again. The 1988 Dodgers were a borderline miracle, but I never would have believed that they wouldn't even play in another World Series in the 22 seasons after that. You never know how long it will be.

You guys got used to the likes of people like Koufax, Valenzuela, Drysdale, Lasorda, Baker, Garvey etc, it would only seem natural that you would have expected more rings in the 1990s and 2000s. But in that so-called dry spell you had Nomo, Gagne, and others. We had to rely too much on Bonds and that hurt the Giants.

I am not complaining about Bonds since he has two of the four most visible American sports records/milestones with "more than 61" home runs in a regular season which was long considered impossible, and "more than 755 career home runs", also thought impossible. I expect somebody to pass Bonds on the career home runs list in the next decade.

In the old days, two records were also mentioned, the "four minute mile" (which was shattered a lot since then by people of various nations) and the "100 points in an NBA game", which is the only American sports record which will likely remain impossible to beat. Unless some dude comes out of China who is 8 feet tall and can move like Iverson or Kobe, we won't see 100 approached. This remains the last totally outrageous, seemingly unreachable record for an American sports athlete. I would like to add Jack Nicklaus and his titles (amateur and majors), but golf is a GAME and not just a sport (taught to me growing up with all those Pebble Beach kids :)).

Anyway, you guys in LA have been pretty blessed with players and championships, and your Brooklyn days were not shabby, either. I always meet young LA fans who have no idea who, what, where, when, or why there was a Brooklyn Dodgers. But with five LA rings, who cares? You want to see a 6th LA ring, I know, and it's likely that you will eventually see that happen. Growing up as a kid, I never associated the Dodgers with Brooklyn, and saw the Dodgers represent LA in all that is LA with Hollywood, glamour, rock stars, the Sunset Strip, smog, and urban sprawl (the good, the bad and the ugly of Southern California and all that it represents).

To get lasting legitimacy in MLB and the NL west, we have to go head to head with you, like we did with the San Diego Padres, and beat you soundly, and also pick up a couple of more WS rings. Until that time, commentators will never put the SF Giants in the same sentence as the LA Dodgers. That being said, I am not targeting just the Dodgers, but all the NL west and the world of baseball.

I know people elsewhere, and even here think SF this year was a fluke.
 
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You guys got used to the likes of people like Koufax, Valenzuela, Drysdale, Lasorda, Baker, Garvey etc, it would only seem natural that you would have expected more rings in the 1990s and 2000s. But in that so-called dry spell you had Nomo, Gagne, and others. We had to rely too much on Bonds and that hurt the Giants.
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OK. I'm still not sure what comment you're reacting to.
 
OK. I'm still not sure what comment you're reacting to.

Simple. :)

There is this game called baseball,

that is sometimes played in America.

OK, take a deep breath.

In American baseball, there is the American League and the National League.

That's like two sub-leagues within a bigger one.

Break.

In the National League there is a western division.

OK, another break.

One team in the National League (in the western division) is called the Los Angeles Dodgers and another one is called the San Francisco Giants.

The first team is usually better than the second one.

So.

There.

:)


and this year the Giants had a rare but good year

And if the Dodgers largely own the Giants over most of the next ten years, it won't come as a surprise to me. I gave up disliking the Dodgers a long time ago. They usually win because they are better. For next year, actually I will bring that up in the offseason thread...
 
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Happy days are here again, Morgan and Miller are out at Sunday Night Baseball.
ESPN ended its 20-year association with Jon Miller and Joe Morgan as the voices of “Sunday Night Baseball” on Monday. They declined to renew Morgan’s contract and have asked Miller if he wants to stay on as the radio voice of the Sunday night games. Discussions are ongoing.

“We’ve decided to make a change and introduce new voices and new perspective,” said Norby Williamson, an executive vice president of ESPN. He added: “Twenty one years is an eternity in this business. And today is about acknowledging the contributions they made to the franchise.”

Each announcer is a Hall of Famer. Morgan entered as a player in 1990 and Miller received the Ford C. Frick Award from the hall earlier this year in recognition of broadcasting excellence.

It is nearly certain that Miller will be replaced by Dan Shulman, who will be joined by Orel Hershiser, whom ESPN added to “Sunday Night” last season. Bobby Valentine might be the third voice if he does not get a managing job. Williamson declined to talk about the new team.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/08/espn-breaks-up-sunday-night-baseball-team/
 
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