There's a "significant amount" of water in my basement; I don't see NASA sending a billion dollar expedition there!
I keep furiously consulting my bible but I can't find any mention of water anywhere else in the universe.
Anyway, amazing discovery. Check out the NASA app for the iPod or iPhone, it is engrossing to leaf through all the photographs.
Let me tell you, it took me a moment to return to a state of mind where I could reply. The amount of problems with this post is truly stupefying.
Rather than repost everything you said and go to endless links that say the same thing over and over I’ll simply return to the “stupefying” article I quoted:
Given present knowledge, water in space is believed (again) is believed (once more for those whom truly have difficulty in reading comprehension) IS BELIEVED to exist only as ice,
That is not my interpretation that is the conclusion made by scientific research from data collected since exploration into space which begin before I was born. “Is believed" is not evidence. In simple terms for non scientist that means... that is their best guess. This experiment was supposed to determine that and to that end it is inconclusive, therefore adding no new knowledge.
As far as oxygen being anywhere else in the universe besides Earth I don’t see how since the process of Photosynthesis, which produces oxygen cannot be determined where there is no life and scientist have not discovered life anywhere other than Earth. But that argument I’ll leave alone.
Oxygen can be produced by other means besides photosynthesis. Combustion of carbohydrates for instance.As far as oxygen being anywhere else in the universe besides Earth I dont see how since the process of Photosynthesis, which produces oxygen cannot be determined where there is no life and scientist have not discovered life anywhere other than Earth. But that argument Ill leave alone.
google hit said:2007-05-03 09:56:09
International team discovers molecular oxygen in space
WATERLOO, ONT. (Thursday, May 3, 2007) -- An international team of space scientists, including several Canadian astronomers, has discovered molecular oxygen in interstellar space. Oxygen is one of the main constituents of the Earth's atmosphere and was expected to be common in space too, but surprisingly this molecule appears to be quite rare in most of the universe.
http://newsrelease.uwaterloo.ca/news.php?id=4862
Oxygen can be produced by other means besides photosynthesis. Combustion of carbohydrates for instance.
Whoa calm down there. I did read it before I posted it.I’ll save you the trouble of returning to that article I’m sure you never read and just post the whole thing here.
Which is a completely valid way to do it. What problems do you have with spectral analysis?This research team “discovered proof” of Oxygen in space.... looking through a telescope.
No they discovered the spectra of oxygen in spacePerhaps the author of this piece made the error but these scientist only developed a hypothesis. Their research “discovered” nothing.
Finding water on the moon is different than finding oxygen in space. Why is finding water on the moon redundantThis article is also over two years old. Making the moon experiment a redundant waste of time since they would have only been searching for something that has already been found.
The Moon Is Wet!
By Richard A. Kerr
ScienceNOW Daily News
13 November 2009
Slamming a spent rocket booster into the frigid, inky shadow of a lunar crater last month sent up a plume of dust laced with water, NASA scientists reported in a press conference today. Observers on Earth were denied a view of the fireworks in October, but "we found water, a significant amount of water," said LCROSS (Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite) mission principal investigator Anthony Colaprete of NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California.
After several decades of controversy, scientists now know that over billions of years, water from who knows where--impacting comets or perhaps the solar wind--can collect in some of the coldest places in the solar system. Whether the predicted amount of water is enough to sustain future astronauts--as either sustenance or rocket fuel--remains to be seen, however.
The LCROSS mission worked to perfection, with the exception of the show that unfolded on Earth. Before the impact, NASA scientists had predicted that ground-based observers, even amateurs, would see the plume in the gap between two mountains. As it turned out, Colaprete said, the impact's plume of debris "was as bright as thought, but it was behind a hill" because the debris did not rise as high as impact modeling had suggested.
The heavily instrumented LCROSS spacecraft, however, had a fine view of the rocket booster's impact and aftermath as it sped to its own impact 4 minutes later. LCROSS instruments delivered a "good, strong detection" of water, Colaprete said. At infrared and ultraviolet wavelengths, they gave clear indications of water vapor, water ice, and hydroxyl ions produced when sunlight splits water molecules.
All told, LCROSS detected about 100 kilograms of water, Colaprete said. It came from a 20-meter-wide crater maybe 3 meters deep, but he declined to guess how abundant water ice had been beneath the impact site. Team members must still calculate what portion of subsurface ice actually rose into view and could have been measured, Colaprete noted. "It would probably be safe to say it's wetter than the Atacama Desert," the driest place on Earth, he said. Some remote sensing had suggested about 1% water ice by volume in the upper 3 meters, which was regarded as a substantial amount. Impact modeler and LCROSS team member David Goldstein of the University of Texas, Austin, says 1% "is not inconsistent with what's been observed. I haven't convinced myself yet whether it's 0.1% or 10%. I think we'll work that out."
Whatever the amount, the principle of cold-trapping water in permanently shadowed craters--as had been demonstrated for Mercury using radar--is now firmly established for the moon. The LCROSS results give only an inkling of where the water might have come from. Colaprete reported that spectra hint at the presence of volatile compounds besides water, such as carbon dioxide, methane, sulfur dioxide, and methanol, just the sort of compounds found in comets and ice-rich asteroids. So the moon may have retained a tiny bit of the objects that have pummeled it for eons.
Which is a completely valid way to do it. What problems do you have with spectral analysis?
No they discovered the spectra of oxygen in space.
I'm stunned at this discussion. Talk about making things unnecessarily complicated.
Water got on the moon the same way water got here, on Earth. By asteroid and/or comet bombardment, after initial formation. People think water as this huge quantity, which on our scale, it is. In the grand scheme of things, that thin sliver of water covering the surface isn't much compared to the mass and volume of the Earth itself.
There's tons of water flying all over the solar system.
What do you think a comet's tail is? Water vapor jetting off the comet. The comet itself 80% water ice. A big, dirty snowball.
There's a freaking CLOUD of water surrounding the whole solar system. Literally, a trillion comets of large than 1km.
Finding water on the moon just confirms everything else we already know and our ideas about how things should be.
I'm stunned at this discussion. Talk about making things unnecessarily complicated.
Water got on the moon the same way water got here, on Earth. By asteroid and/or comet bombardment, after initial formation. People think water as this huge quantity, which on our scale, it is. In the grand scheme of things, that thin sliver of water covering the surface isn't much compared to the mass and volume of the Earth itself.
There's tons of water flying all over the solar system.
What do you think a comet's tail is? Water vapor jetting off the comet. The comet itself 80% water ice. A big, dirty snowball.
There's a freaking CLOUD of water surrounding the whole solar system. Literally, a trillion comets of large than 1km.
Finding water on the moon just confirms everything else we already know and our ideas about how things should be.
If you couple this with the recent observation of the network of moon tunnels it makes the possible colonization of the moon a tad more feasable.
Rather than repost everything you said and go to endless links that say the same thing over and over I’ll simply return to the “stupefying” article I quoted:
Given present knowledge, water in space is believed (again) is believed (once more for those whom truly have difficulty in reading comprehension) IS BELIEVED to exist only as ice,
That is not my interpretation that is the conclusion made by scientific research from data collected since exploration into space which begin before I was born. “Is believed" is not evidence. In simple terms for non scientist that means... that is their best guess. This experiment was supposed to determine that and to that end it is inconclusive, therefore adding no new knowledge.
As far as oxygen being anywhere else in the universe besides Earth I don’t see how since the process of Photosynthesis, which produces oxygen cannot be determined where there is no life and scientist have not discovered life anywhere other than Earth. But that argument I’ll leave alone.
Tunnels? On the moon??
Google leads me to http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18030-found-first-skylight-on-the-moon.html
Wow. Tunnels 260 feet down and 1200 feet wide. Just wow. Spray the walls with plastic and that's your lunar base more or less done.![]()
yep, that's kind of the idea.
if these large underground cave systems are indeed usable, they would provide shelter against meteorites and radiation and allow for much more manageable structures.
one of the problem is whether there is any in a desirable location, for example close to ice sources.
Anyone else think this is just the usual NASA, with better marketing?
NASA 1989: Uhhh.. one of our rockets is missing.. Crashed into the Moon we believe. Created a hell of a cloud. Sorry, but thanks for all the cash!
NASA 2009: Wayhey! We just crashed a rocket into the moon, and found water!
(Or maybe, Apollo 11 sprang a leak...)
Umm...no I don't. If you'd read about the purpose of the mission in the first place... oh hell, I give up. I don't even know why anyone should try with people like you.
I think it was a jokeUmm...no I don't. If you'd read about the purpose of the mission in the first place... oh hell, I give up. I don't even know why anyone should try with people like you.
Same as Goldy or Silvery?In more headline news, NASA scientists were amazed to discover no Irony on the Internet. That's true folks, there is no Irony online.