"The new iPhone" press release

[batting1000]

How about if we look at it like this, then there are no transmission issues with NFC.



http://itsmorereal.tumblr.com/post/28568407724/the-unibody-iphone

 

[Vegastouch]

Of course cuz apple is the God and they don't have to worry, I'm just saying phones already have it and next year they will put it in and say that it's brand new and everyone will fall for it

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Why would the metal stop it from working?

NFC is an inductor that works with magnetic fields and metal will severely cripple it.

Here is a tidbit from a website on antenna theory.

One final note related to NFC antenna design. We've already stated that the larger the surface area, the better performing your NFC antenna will be. We haven't mentioned anything about volume. Can the NFC antenna be infinitely thin? The answer is yes - if there is no metal or conductive material around the NFC antenna. However, the NFC antenna illustrated in Figure 1 is on the back of a smartphone, which is metallic. If you know much about electromagnetics, you will know that a ground plane directly beneath magnetic or electric fields will very much degrade them. Hence, performance degrades for the NFC inductor style antenna when placed near a metallic surface. As a result, for performance the height of the NFC loop will need maximized. If the space is near zero, the performance will suffer.

 

[Agent OrangeZ]

But the info that came from the sources that leaked these parts said it's metal.

What makes you think that the metal isn't part of the NFC antenna system?

I remember when the iPhone 4 leaked. People criticized the "seams" in the metal band around the sides of the phone. Then, when Apple finally announced the phone, they got huge crowd reaction when Steve Jobs explained it as part of the antenna system.

 

[irDigital0l]

True but NFC will be next year's big hardware feature.

true but nfc will most likely not be in the iphone 5

its just like 4g lte, apple wasn't first but they want to make it the best.

if nfc affects battery, apple wont add it...yet

 

[Vegastouch]

How about if we look at it like this, then there are no transmission issues with NFC.

View attachment 351840

http://itsmorereal.tumblr.com/post/28568407724/the-unibody-iphone

LOL.....this means nothing at all.

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What makes you think that the metal isn't part of the NFC antenna system?

I remember when the iPhone 4 leaked. People criticized the "seams" in the metal band around the sides of the phone. Then, when Apple finally announced the phone, they got huge crowd reaction when Steve Jobs explained it as part of the antenna system.

Because it wont be...read post above yours.

 

[McGiord]

It's possible, but I don't see Apple fragmenting things even more. They'll already be selling the new device + the 4S + the 4 + possibly the 3GS.

If they drop the 3GS, then make the 4S the cheap one or free with a contract with 16GB instead of 8GB, the leaked one the affordable model starting at 32GB, and another one not revealed yet the top featured one, they will have 3 models for the iPhone product line.
They have 3 models for almost every product line. I mean models that are/will be available in the Apple Stores.
iPod nano
iPod Classic
iPod Touch

MacBook Air
MacBook Pro
Retina MacBook Pro

iPad 2
New iPad
Rumored 7" iPad (if true)

The Lytro like camera, could be an Apple design, therefore it will fit. Maybe not as 'capable' as the lytro, so the images are not as big. I think we sometimes forget what Apple can do when they want to innovate, and add a killer feature.
For very good reasons they didn't released a new design last year.

NFC is not that exciting for me, it also depends on the stores adopting them. Even many stores and businesses use iOS devices to process credit card payments, they are still not as popular.
Besides the payment what other things can e done with NFC? Is it an alternative to Bluetooth?
Can it Help to avoid having to switch off your iOS device during take off and landing inside an airplane?

 

[ThatsMeRight]

It was only something I typed up based on the rumors which seemed most logical, which is why I didn't mention ludicrous stuff such as a 12 mp camera, quad-core processor, 2GB of RAM, 4.5 inch display, etc. To answer your question, no it's not confirmed by Apple, but yes, the rumors of a 4 inch display correspond with the 16:9 aspect ratio.

I like it and it could really have been one of Apple's press releases. There were only two things that were... like... on the 'edge' of authenticity: Philip Schiller is number one. I believe they even call him "Phil Schiller" in press releases. The second one was in the very last sentence: "so things like webpages, videos (...)"

I don't think they'd say "things like". They'd just say "(so) webpages, videos (...) before."

Nice 'mock-up' press release, though.

 

[mattopotamus]

Just think about how Apple works. New aspect ratio, 4 inch screen, LTE, refined form factor, improved camera, improved FaceTime camera. That's quite a bit for this iPhone. They need to (and always do) hold back something.

NFC seems like the perfect candidate to be held back. Next year, when the iPhone will look the same as this year's, NFC can be the big feature that will get people talking.

This year it's about the newly refined form factor, bigger screen, and 4G LTE.

that actually sounds like a really good prediction. Something that would make someone jump from the "5 to the 5S" without having to do much improvements.

 

[cambookpro]

Nice mockup
Not sure about the font you used, but I like the way it's set out.

 

[Ay_Zimmy]

Wow, we'll done. It wasn't unrealistic, and the wording was so.. Apple.

 

[batting1000]

LOL.....this means nothing at all.

And why's that?

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I like it and it could really have been one of Apple's press releases. There were only two things that were... like... on the 'edge' of authenticity: Philip Schiller is number one. I believe they even call him "Phil Schiller" in press releases. The second one was in the very last sentence: "so things like webpages, videos (...)"

I don't think they'd say "things like". They'd just say "(so) webpages, videos (...) before."

Nice 'mock-up' press release, though.

Well I looked at the iPhone 4S press release and they said his full name so I just went with it.

Nice mockup
Not sure about the font you used, but I like the way it's set out.

Wow, we'll done. It wasn't unrealistic, and the wording was so.. Apple.

Thanks!

 

[mattopotamus]

wait, how many new features ....i felt that was a little redundant, but good job

 

[Sedrick]

What makes you think Apple won't figure out how to circumvent that?

As magical as you believe Apple to be, they can't bend the law of physics.

I'm not trying to be a fanboy here but the fact that you're assuming the back is metal just by looking at a picture of a leaked part is asinine.

Any fool can tell what the back of those leaked images is made of (both inside and out). And before anyone shouts "liquid metal!!", liquid metal is a combination of 3 or more metals that lend it special flex/strength properties. But it's still metal.

If the new phone has NFC at all, it would have to be directed out the top or bottom plastic/glass sections on the back.

 

[batting1000]

As magical as you believe Apple to be, they can't bend the law of physics.



Any fool can tell what the back of those leaked images is made of (both inside and out). And before anyone shouts "liquid metal!!", liquid metal is a combination of 3 or more metals that lend it special flex/strength properties. But it's still metal.

If the new phone has NFC at all, it would have to be directed out the top or bottom plastic/glass sections on the back.

That was what I said and even provided a picture above, but Vegas thought it was funny and said it meant nothing.

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As magical as you believe Apple to be, they can't bend the law of physics.

I didn't mean they'd be able to transmit NFC signals between the metal, but rather put the chip in another spot on the back. I know they can't get it to go through the metal.

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wait, how many new features ....i felt that was a little redundant, but good job

I guess, lol, but thanks. I might make an iPad mini one.

 

[pear21]

NFC is an inductor that works with magnetic fields and metal will severely cripple it.

Here is a tidbit from a website on antenna theory.

One final note related to NFC antenna design. We've already stated that the larger the surface area, the better performing your NFC antenna will be. We haven't mentioned anything about volume. Can the NFC antenna be infinitely thin? The answer is yes - if there is no metal or conductive material around the NFC antenna. However, the NFC antenna illustrated in Figure 1 is on the back of a smartphone, which is metallic. If you know much about electromagnetics, you will know that a ground plane directly beneath magnetic or electric fields will very much degrade them. Hence, performance degrades for the NFC inductor style antenna when placed near a metallic surface. As a result, for performance the height of the NFC loop will need maximized. If the space is near zero, the performance will suffer.

Thanks for the valid reply Vegas!

 

[lordofthereef]

That was what I said and even provided a picture above, but Vegas thought it was funny and said it meant nothing.

It is explained why it wouldn't work in the post he told you to look at. Said post has been quoted multiple times since as well. I have snipped it here for you.

One final note related to NFC antenna design. We've already stated that the larger the surface area, the better performing your NFC antenna will be. We haven't mentioned anything about volume. Can the NFC antenna be infinitely thin? The answer is yes - if there is no metal or conductive material around the NFC antenna. However, the NFC antenna illustrated in Figure 1 is on the back of a smartphone, which is metallic. If you know much about electromagnetics, you will know that a ground plane directly beneath magnetic or electric fields will very much degrade them. Hence, performance degrades for the NFC inductor style antenna when placed near a metallic surface. As a result, for performance the height of the NFC loop will need maximized. If the space is near zero, the performance will suffer.

 

[batting1000]

It is explained why it wouldn't work in the post he told you to look at. Said post has been quoted multiple times since as well. I have snipped it here for you.

What about this part?

The reason the back of the device is still made up of a few different pieces of metal and glass as opposed to one unibody piece is the antennas. Antennas for the most part do not transmit signals through metal. The cell antenna is integrated into the metal case, but there are still separate Wi-Fi, GPS, Bluetooth, and potentially NFC antennas to deal with. They need to transmit their signal through non signal blocking materials such as plastic or glass. That was why the original iPhone had a black plastic piece at the bottom of the case, why the 3G/3GS’ back was made entirely of plastic, and why the 4/4S’ back was made entirely of glass. This is why there are the two pieces of either glass or plastic at the top and bottom of this design.

 

[McGiord]

But it's still metal.

the Metal

 

[saberahul]

Email it to Apple. Include your resume.

 

[lordofthereef]

What about this part?

I honestly think you are reading into this looking for any reason possible for it to work. I am not an engineer. I only go by what I read. My understanding is that NFC works very different, in terms of transmission, from cellular antennas, wifi, etc. To be quite frank, it seems silly for Apple to have solved the Antenna issues using glass only to go back to a metal back with bits of glass on the bottom and top. Maybe they did it. Not saying it's impossible. I am saying it is improbable, when an all glass back design would make NFC much easier to implement.

 

[batting1000]

I honestly think you are reading into this looking for any reason possible for it to work. I am not an engineer. I only go by what I read. My understanding is that NFC works very different, in terms of transmission, from cellular antennas, wifi, etc. To be quite frank, it seems silly for Apple to have solved the Antenna issues using glass only to go back to a metal back with bits of glass on the bottom and top. Maybe they did it. Not saying it's impossible. I am saying it is improbable, when an all glass back design would make NFC much easier to implement.

I'm just saying what the article says. He clearly says the two pieces are for WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, and NFC.

 

[lordofthereef]

I'm just saying what the article says. He clearly says the two pieces are for WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, and NFC.

I am going to take a picture of the bottom speaker grill and label it "pixie dust receptacle". Do you see where I am going? Some guy labeled an image. It's the simple. Nothing more. Again, only going with my personal understanding of NFC not playing well with metal being around it, more-so than any other transmission technology currently in mobile devices.

EDIT: FWIW I would be thrilled to see NFC in the next iPhone. I think it is going to take the iPhone for NFC to really kick off. I just don't see it happening. Usually we see hints of new stuff like this in new firmware releases. We have seen no such.

 

[batting1000]

EDIT: FWIW I would be thrilled to see NFC in the next iPhone. I think it is going to take the iPhone for NFC to really kick off. I just don't see it happening. Usually we see hints of new stuff like this in new firmware releases. We have seen no such.

Passbook is our hint.

 

[Vegastouch]

I'm just saying what the article says. He clearly says the two pieces are for WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, and NFC.

Who is that guy? A writer? Does he know anything about electronics?

Once again,...NFC is really not an antenna. It is an inductor that works with Magenetic fields and it isnt a "chip". It is a tightly wrapped loop of wire sort of like a guitar pickup but on a much smaller and less wound scale and that tidbit i posted says it cant be surrounded by or placed near a metal surface.

I wouldnt see anything wrong with the new iPhone having a plastic back and then they put glass around that. The NFC would then work. But imo, id just rather not have the glass, it is too fragile.

As it is with my GS3, i have to practically have the back of the phone right on the NFC tag and why they say you have to touch phones to transfer things using NFC. It is Near Field Communication.

As i mentioned in another thread, i did order a metal battery cover for my GS3 because it looks really nice and i dont expect my NFC to work at all with it on but i havent recieved it yet to try it for sure. I dont have any good expectations at all.

 

[lordofthereef]

Passbook is our hint.

I honestly don't see that as a hint. passbook is very different from a traditional NFC. Again, have we seen anything in the software indicating that it will be NFC compatible? As it stands, passbook is basically a glorified cardstar.