arkmannj
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I know Apple likes to go small, but add an extra mm or two (or 10!) to the height of the case if thermal is the issue.
I'd rather have the performance.
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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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I know Apple likes to go small, but add an extra mm or two (or 10!) to the height of the case if thermal is the issue.
I'd rather have the performance.
Cassady
macrumors 6502a
Hola... hate to be that guy, but could someone please explain (in simple terms) what the real-life difference would be between a dual-core and a quad-core?
Sincere question, btw. I presume that in more arduous tasks (VM's; video-editing(??) etc.) it would be felt - but is that it?
Obviously people who were hoping to do heavy lifting are disappointed, but for the average user - assuming you max the RAM and pop in a SSD, are the usual suspects of browsing/word processing/media-server related stuff, will they still be fine?
I have a 16GB RAM mid-2012 cMBP i5, with a dual SSD/HDD as my only Mac, so with that as a frame of reference, is the new Mini going to be pretty similar?
Would appreciate some guidance to help out a desktop neophyte! 😀
Sincere question, btw. I presume that in more arduous tasks (VM's; video-editing(??) etc.) it would be felt - but is that it?
Obviously people who were hoping to do heavy lifting are disappointed, but for the average user - assuming you max the RAM and pop in a SSD, are the usual suspects of browsing/word processing/media-server related stuff, will they still be fine?
I have a 16GB RAM mid-2012 cMBP i5, with a dual SSD/HDD as my only Mac, so with that as a frame of reference, is the new Mini going to be pretty similar?
Would appreciate some guidance to help out a desktop neophyte! 😀
Going dual core only with U series processors and a smaller form factor makes sense. Keeping the same form factor and moving to the corresponding Haswell processors makes sense. But same form factor and dual core only??
Curious to see the iFixit teardowns, I can't recall seeing any SO-DIMMs labeled as LPDDR3, mostly DDR3L. If the move was to soldered RAM and non-replaceable PCI-e the Mini has effectively lost its hobbyist appeal (not that it was ever a huge market in the first place, but shows how much
cares).
No 4k support, no quad core, oddly misleading configurations, nothing special and it arrives a year late.
I had low hopes for an upgraded Mini, if it wasnt killed off altogether of course, but this just leaves me scratching my head. What it does say is that Apple will unapologetically force users towards whatever they "feel" is best, motivated by their margins of course. Want a moderately powerful (quad core) desktop? iMac, rMBP or Mac Pro are your options, starting at $2,000.
Curious to see the iFixit teardowns, I can't recall seeing any SO-DIMMs labeled as LPDDR3, mostly DDR3L. If the move was to soldered RAM and non-replaceable PCI-e the Mini has effectively lost its hobbyist appeal (not that it was ever a huge market in the first place, but shows how much
cares).No 4k support, no quad core, oddly misleading configurations, nothing special and it arrives a year late.
I had low hopes for an upgraded Mini, if it wasnt killed off altogether of course, but this just leaves me scratching my head. What it does say is that Apple will unapologetically force users towards whatever they "feel" is best, motivated by their margins of course. Want a moderately powerful (quad core) desktop? iMac, rMBP or Mac Pro are your options, starting at $2,000.
Crosscreek
macrumors 68030
Going dual core only with U series processors and a smaller form factor makes sense. Keeping the same form factor and moving to the corresponding Haswell processors makes sense. But same form factor and dual core only??
Curious to see the iFixit teardowns, I can't recall seeing any SO-DIMMs labeled as LPDDR3, mostly DDR3L. If the move was to soldered RAM and non-replaceable PCI-e the Mini has effectively lost its hobbyist appeal (not that it was ever a huge market in the first place, but shows how much
No 4k support, no quad core, oddly misleading configurations, nothing special and it arrives a year late.
I had low hopes for an upgraded Mini, if it wasnt killed off altogether of course, but this just leaves me scratching my head. What it does say is that Apple will unapologetically force users towards whatever they "feel" is best, motivated by their margins of course. Want a moderately powerful (quad core) desktop? iMac, rMBP or Mac Pro are your options, starting at $2,000.
I think it probably has the same setup as rMBP which would mean flash ssd and soldered ram. But like you said IFixit will clue us in.
Same here. If so there might be a ton of empty space in them, why not make a 2TB build to order for servers?
Speaking of servers, for the same price as a 2012 buyers are fortunate enough to pay the same for a much less capable machine!
iosuser
macrumors 65816
Your cMBP i5, assuming it's the 13" model, has the same gut as a 2012 Mini i5. The new base Mac Mini 1.4GHz i5 will perform almost identically as the 2012 base i5 version.
You more or less answered your own question regarding the benefits of dual core vs quad core. VMs, audio and video editing and conversion will greatly benefit with the quad core.
Going dual core only with U series processors and a smaller form factor makes sense. Keeping the same form factor and moving to the corresponding Haswell processors makes sense. But same form factor and dual core only??
Curious to see the iFixit teardowns, I can't recall seeing any SO-DIMMs labeled as LPDDR3, mostly DDR3L. If the move was to soldered RAM and non-replaceable PCI-e the Mini has effectively lost its hobbyist appeal (not that it was ever a huge market in the first place, but shows how much
No 4k support, no quad core, oddly misleading configurations, nothing special and it arrives a year late.
I had low hopes for an upgraded Mini, if it wasnt killed off altogether of course, but this just leaves me scratching my head. What it does say is that Apple will unapologetically force users towards whatever they "feel" is best, motivated by their margins of course. Want a moderately powerful (quad core) desktop? iMac, rMBP or Mac Pro are your options, starting at $2,000.
My guess is that this is the last update in this generation enclosure, and we will see a "real" update relatively soon with Broadwell internals.
This definitely feels like a stopgap to me, especially with the $100 price drop. Why not use a CPU with Iris Pro? Because the Mac Mini market is composed of two groups: those who want a robust upgrade - which this isn't, not really - and those who want the cheapest entry Mac as possible. If you can't please both, then pleasing one is best.
Cassady
macrumors 6502a
Crosscreek
macrumors 68030
I can say though that 2.6 I5 is a nice processor. I had one in my rMBP. For the average user I would recommend that if they just want to buy a nice new Mini but it's way over priced to get the 250 flash ssd.
One could always buy the spinner and use an external ssd for boot drive. Thats what I been doing with my 2012. I put all my apps on it and use the internal for storage. No trim though.
Boom...and there we go. Do you guys need anymore proof that they are crippling the Mini?
- No Quad core processor
Enough said. Now explain what option does anyone have for a solo desktop Apple computer that needs mid level performance(Not an all in one glossy machine, not a laptop)
The answer is a $3,000 workstation class computer. Yes Apple does not want a high end Mini because they are afraid of cannibalizing low end Mac Pro sales.
I bought my 2012 i7 Mini for less money than the mid range new Mini costs today.
I bought an open box i7 that included the full one year warranty. I did have to restore the Mini before use because the previous purchasers info was still on it, contacts and all. Worth buying at under $600.
I bought an open box i7 that included the full one year warranty. I did have to restore the Mini before use because the previous purchasers info was still on it, contacts and all. Worth buying at under $600.
mojolicious
macrumors 68000
They're obvously making sure that there's breathng space for next year's Macntosh?
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On the upsde, 've just won an unopened Wreless Keyboard and Magc Mouse for £41 on eBay, whch sn't bad. Today's not all been sht.
Well.... at least it was nice Apple still knows the mini serves a purpose and an update was made!
Having iris graphics is nice to see! But the lack of a Quad core is huge! I see this as Apple unwilling to buy processors just for the mini...
Thinking this could have been a heat issue??? We had people complaining about fan speed already.... Maybe the Quad and iris pro wasn't a good thermal performer...
But I think they didn't want to put iris pro in and that nixed the quad core mobile chips they had on hand.... So what did they have left??? what you see offered(13"rmbp chips)....
If you want to get the loss of cpu power, check out geekbench mac charts and look at the 13" rmbp....
The 3ghz in 64 bit multi core is 7209
The 2012 top of the line mini had 12680!!!!!
Thats a HUGE loss in cpu performance.
I will be ordering parts for my hackintosh tonight... and it isn't as complicated as it seems! if this update has you fuming I encorage you to check tonymac or other hackintosh site out.... At least Apples OS is "free" lol
Having iris graphics is nice to see! But the lack of a Quad core is huge! I see this as Apple unwilling to buy processors just for the mini...
Thinking this could have been a heat issue??? We had people complaining about fan speed already.... Maybe the Quad and iris pro wasn't a good thermal performer...
But I think they didn't want to put iris pro in and that nixed the quad core mobile chips they had on hand.... So what did they have left??? what you see offered(13"rmbp chips)....
If you want to get the loss of cpu power, check out geekbench mac charts and look at the 13" rmbp....
The 3ghz in 64 bit multi core is 7209
The 2012 top of the line mini had 12680!!!!!
Thats a HUGE loss in cpu performance.
I will be ordering parts for my hackintosh tonight... and it isn't as complicated as it seems! if this update has you fuming I encorage you to check tonymac or other hackintosh site out.... At least Apples OS is "free" lol
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It seems they are crippling mini however i think the main reason is the imac because its easy to find a 27" screen and use with powerful mini and just replace the monitor when something happens. They want us to buy a full imac when it goes. I still dont see mini vs nmp comparison.
Anyway can anyone predict when we start to see some reviews? I think best is to talk after some reviews and tests.
Wow. 2 years to wait for a vastly worse machine. Price for performance, the old model is actually the better buy and minimum $1000 for a quad core machine is just a sick joke.
Intel's surged ahead with their chip design and Apple gives worse performance.
As someone who's used a Mac for 16 years, Apple officially doesn't make a single product I would even considering buying anymore. And their software is a garbage too. For someone with zero interest in iToys, Yosemite is useless too. And ugly.
The can spend $100 million to buy an album from U2. Spend $3 billion on headphones. And they can't make a decent computer. Welcome to 1984+30.
Intel's surged ahead with their chip design and Apple gives worse performance.
As someone who's used a Mac for 16 years, Apple officially doesn't make a single product I would even considering buying anymore. And their software is a garbage too. For someone with zero interest in iToys, Yosemite is useless too. And ugly.
The can spend $100 million to buy an album from U2. Spend $3 billion on headphones. And they can't make a decent computer. Welcome to 1984+30.
The mid to high build configurations are basically the exact same guts as the MacBook Pro Retina 13inch.
I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm going to wait until early next year for the MBP update and then pick up a used or refurb MBP 13 retina over the mini.
Soldered RAM? Really?
The "new" mini is waay overpriced.
I'm disappointed to say the least. I'm going to wait until early next year for the MBP update and then pick up a used or refurb MBP 13 retina over the mini.
Soldered RAM? Really?
The "new" mini is waay overpriced.
If I buy a 4k display for $3000 (yeah right, did they check prices in an old magazine from 2013?), at least I can keep it when I buy a new computer. What kind of idiot would by a screen that expensive and permanently attach it to Haswell CPU?
The old Mac mini is finally upon us! I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm sticking around in this thread for the new Mac mini.
Crosscreek
macrumors 68030
The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
Why 4k. Regular 27" monitors are 300~ plus the not crippled legendary mini and you woud have better computer than imacs. Not as good screen but i would have done it. I dont want my computer integrated with the screen.
For the price: i agree too. Easy way to loose old and local customers.
Why 4k. Regular 27" monitors are 300~ plus the not crippled legendary mini and you woud have better computer than imacs. Not as good screen but i would have done it. I dont want my computer integrated with the screen.
For the price: i agree too. Easy way to loose old and local customers.