OMG! We hope for the same thingsI'm also hoping for this weeks lottery numbers and for my doctor to recommend I eat more steak and chips for health reasons.
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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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If Apple can accommodate the 8305-G chip in a slightly re-designed Mac Mini, they will have my forgiveness, and they can have my money. Until then, my 2012 Quad Core Mini with SSD and 16 Gig RAM is still doing the job. Just lacking on Graphics due to HD4000.
All this time to wait, leaves time to wonder, that if macs weren’t under iOS company, would they have made possible to use tracking pad with pencil...?
Witch leads to think why not put mini inside a tracking pad...!
One tb4-port to a dongle where the rest of connections are...
Witch leads to think why not put mini inside a tracking pad...!
One tb4-port to a dongle where the rest of connections are...
I hope those geeks @egpu.io will soon find a way to use egpu with mini2012 with 10.13.4 and later...
Yes, I'm also hoping for that. I could see them releasing a single headless computer called just Mac to replace both the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini. No Xeon or ECC
A Mac Mini would be way too tall for a trackpad, no way to rest your arm while using it.
Exactly! Proper modularity would also mean peaceful co-existence of multiple CPU's (and perhaps GPU's), so the base unit (a.k.a. Mac mini 2018/19) could come with a consumer-grade CPU.
To that the customer could add e.g. Xeon modules (either as BTO during ordering or as hardware upgrade at a later point in time) for the heavy lifting, while the consumer-grade CPU deals with housekeeping tasks (such as e.g. user interface, I/O etc.).
Perhaps they could even pull off some rent-a-module business, where you could rent CPU modules for very demanding, but time-limited projects.
</*dreaming*>
Reality will probably be harsh, so better not expect too much in the first place ...
[doublepost=1524635988][/doublepost]btw.: Did anyone already contact "Guiness World Records" to have this thread mentioned as the one with most posts/views in Internet history? :-D
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/macbook-pro.90/?order=reply_count Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
They have, at least with Radeon cards:
https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/script-enable-egpu-on-tb1-2-macs-on-macos-10-13-4/paged/1/
At first this script didn't work, but the good folks there discovered that the 2012 Mini misreports its TB (it's TB1 but reports TB2 to the script) so the script had to work around that. Starting with version 2.0.2 of the script, it works great with the 2012 Mini. I reported failure on the script early on but reported that 2.0.2 fixes it (I have a Mantiz Venus and an RX580).
If you're going to do it, might as well load the latest security update first since you have to reapply (and reboot) the patch script with each OS update, or so it seems.
Jony, put a Mac mini into chassis shaped like/actually being Magic Trackpad. Thanks xx
Even if they use "off-the shelf" 16x PCIe video cards, considering the iMac Pro has AMD Vegas, I would expect those would be what the Mac Pro offers at a minimum. If they also offer nVidia, we're probably talking Quadro versions of the 1070 and 1080 and Quadro cards are a fair bit more expensive than the consumer models.
A Xeon W CPU lists for $1000-2000 and while Apple will pay less, they won't be charging less.
If the Apple had to have an SKU at $3000 to make sure they stay clear of most iMacs (not the iMac Pro obviously) they could actually make a better choice of hardware.
The iMac Pro at $5000 is actually good value IF the buyer wanted a 5k screen along with the other hardware choices.
$3000 for a barely usable nMP with 2 weak GPUs and a CPU which offers the opportunity to have 6 Thunderbolt 2 ports in a case which by their own admission is thermally limiting is clearly poor value.
Remember there will be situations where graphics aren't a consideration for the buyer so having 2 GPUs was a waste of space for many.
So rather than offering a product for $3000 in bare bones form have that amount of money buy a generously specified product. So put a sensible Xeon in there - not too many cores to prevent cannibalising the modular Mac Pro later, a single GPU at best, 16-32Gb of RAM, 512Gb-1Tb Flash, and a couple of Thunderbolt 3 ports.
I was going to link the Xeon E-2176m but the Intel Ark site appears to have removed it for now. Another possible option is the i5-8305g or i7-8709g CPU with Vega graphics - especially if there's going to be a Xeon variant of it. The case for such a low power machine could be smaller and more manageable and crucially it can share economies of scale with a 15" MacBook Pro SKU.
Staying with 4 cores and having a decent GPU for a change, this configuration would not challenge many iMacs, never mind iMac Pro or Modular Mac Pro. The MMP would be allowed to start at stratospheric prices (iMac Pro and up) and
Im not sure what you would call this product. A Mac Mini Pro for $2500 with strong specs would allow Apple to collect the full profit margin they would want from a Mac while staying largely out of mainstream iMac territory and flying well below the modular Mac Pro 2019.
What would be the cheapest chassis for this 65W: https://geizhals.eu/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560d-oc-4g-gv-rx560oc-4gd-a1655501.html ?
The Xeon E3 series is really designed for small servers, not workstations. And since the Mac Mini Server is no longer an official product and they are ripping out core functionality like DNS and DHCP from the next version of macOS Server extensions, there is no purpose in offering an E3 Xeon in a Mac Mini (plus the TDP of an E3 Xeon is many multiples what the current CPU inside them has so they would need much stronger cooling support).
And the moment Apple puts a dedicated GPU into a Mac Mini, it will take sales away from an iMac. So if they update to a 7th or 8th generation CPU then the iGPU that comes with it will be what is available.
And the moment Apple puts a dedicated GPU into a Mac Mini, it will take sales away from an iMac. So if they update to a 7th or 8th generation CPU then the iGPU that comes with it will be what is available.
Wow. 1477 pages. Kinda puts things into perspective.
But they did get their hallowed Skylake. Obviously we Miniphiles are just slackers who haven't generated enough pages yet. We haven't even cracked 500. No wonder Tim is ignoring us.
All holidays are cancelled, and you are all on double shifts until otherwise notified.
The mysteriously disappeared E-2176m is (was?) a mobile class Coffee Lake product with 6 cores, 12 threads with 45w TDP - it's not the generally larger E3 which is a desktop class CPU which is turning into the W series. The new Xeon E series is entry level and could conceivably have gone into the existing Mini case. The predecessor to that was the E3-1505M v6 which also could have been used in the Mini.
Xeons aren't just for Mac Servers - look at the iMac Pro. That's well specified at the base level - lifting it above the regular iMac. A Mac Mini Pro with carefully selected Xeon CPU and a high base spec could lift itself above the average selling price of regular iMacs and allow Apple to earn back their full margin while providing a large number of users in this thread a machine they'd want to buy if they carefully pick the spec.
You'll never get Joe average buying a $100 monitor and rubbish keyboard and mouse to use with a $2500 Mac Mini Pro - you'd assume they know what they are doing when they are spending that amount of money.
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Wow. 1477 pages. Kinda puts things into perspective.
But they did get their hallowed Skylake. Obviously we Miniphiles are just slackers who haven't generated enough pages yet. We haven't even cracked 500. No wonder Tim is ignoring us.
All holidays are cancelled, and you are all on double shifts until otherwise notified.
They might have got their Skylake (and Kaby Lake, with Coffee Lake on the horizon) but they have got the divisive touch bar, questionable keyboard reliability and battery issues (see the non touch bar battery recall issue for 2016 models).
Hence why I specifically mentioned the E3 series.
Though I was looking at Kaby Lake E3s, specifically, so I will spot you the Coffee Lake H Series could work for the Mac Mini. I still don't see Mac Mini getting dedicated GPUs - especially if they get hex-core CPUs (i7 or E3) because that will put them square into the iMac 4K and 5K space because, as you note, someone who buys it would buy a nice monitor, as well, so it would directly compete against iMacs (which should have higher margins thanks to the screens).
Hence why I specifically mentioned the E3 series.
I still don't see Mac Mini getting dedicated GPUs - especially if they get hex-core CPUs (i7 or E3) because that will put them square into the iMac 4K and 5K space because, as you note, someone who buys it would buy a nice monitor, as well, so it would directly compete against iMacs (which should have higher margins thanks to the screens).
I'm not looking past the 13" MacBook Pro CPUs for any notional Mini refresh. The i5-8250U 15W CPU would be fine and would (on paper) outperform every Mini ever released based on Geekbench. Sustained video exporting may be another thing altogether but we can cross that bridge after we reach it - quad core isn't a bad thing to have back on a Mini.
A nicer option would be the i5-8259U which is a 28w CPU with Iris Plus Graphics 655, 4 cores, 8 threads. It would raise the average selling price of the Mini as 15w CPUs may not be an option due to different CPU sockets used between 15w and 28w CPU apparently. The fact that the MacBook Pro 13" models that use this class of CPU in the 2017 iterations all have the more expensive touch bar I'd suggest that the 15w CPU is more likely.
Weak graphics on the i5-8250U may not be a problem with the advent of the eGPU and support for it in the most recent macOS. In fact, hobbyists may be able to cobble together quite usable systems if a 2018 Mini came with 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports. Use one for an eGPU and another for external storage (perhaps even an SSD boot disk if a hard drive model was purchased in the first place).
At the top of the notional tree could be the i5-8300H which uses a different socket again but it's a socket that has a special i7 variant. The i5 has UHD630 graphics, 4 cores, 8 threads, 2.3GHz but a 4GHz turbo which is likely to be sustained for longer with a 45w TDP.
An interesting BTO option would be an i7-8750H which is 2.2GHz with 6 cores, 12 threads and a 4.1GHz turbo. But clearly this can't happen unless the Mini is going seriously upmarket. This is likely to be paired with a discrete GPU for a most upper end MacBook Pro 15" models - I can't see Apple doing anything for a Mini with this CPU or the i5-8300H.
Going properly upmarket would be to redesign the case - create that highly specified Mac Mini Pro at a high price with something like an i5-8305g which is far more likely to be a base level MacBook Pro 15" for 2018.
Me neither. Firstly iGPUs are pretty good these days, and secondly they won't need dGPUs if they get TB3 (i.e. eGPU capability).
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Maybe they have a few extra ones laying around?
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/04/26/apple-officially-discontinues-airport-wireless-router-lineup/We're discontinuing the Apple AirPort base station products. They will be available through Apple.com, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last," an Apple spokesperson told iMore.
It is my unvarnished opinion that y'all are howling at the moon. Apple is not doing anything significant with the Mini line. Any real updates will cannibalize other product lines. If the Mac Mini remains in the Apple line up, it will forever be the red-headed step-child.
Tim Cook has no interest in an entry level desktop machine (which is how he and his team see the Mini) ... and his lack of direction at the helm of Apple is incredibly obvious.
Tim Cook has no interest in an entry level desktop machine (which is how he and his team see the Mini) ... and his lack of direction at the helm of Apple is incredibly obvious.
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To be honest, neither did Steve. Yes, the machine got more CPU updates under him, but the model never evolved like the iMac and Power Mac / Mac Pro did, especially once the Mac was able to draw people to it on it's own merits so the need to offer a "cheap" entry level desktop machine faded (as it had by the mid-2010s).
The lack of Mac Mini updates will continue, until moral improvesWow. 1477 pages. Kinda puts things into perspective.
But they did get their hallowed Skylake. Obviously we Miniphiles are just slackers who haven't generated enough pages yet. We haven't even cracked 500. No wonder Tim is ignoring us.
All holidays are cancelled, and you are all on double shifts until otherwise notified.
Has this thread finally died, or have we run out of things to say? Here's an interesting poll I stumbled across.
https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/27/mac-mini-2018-poll/
https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/27/mac-mini-2018-poll/
That was interesting. The vast (or at least half-vast) majority of voters want an update now, or a pre-announcement of intentions. Is anyone listening, and does anyone care?
