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The alleged Modular Mac Pro is the "mile post" to look for - in terms of the desktop, what is Apple really willing to invest in? - whatever motivation they have left will be evident in the mMacPro and if it's truly modular there will be a lot riding on a new architecture - not so sure the continuance of the Mini (2014) architecture will be meaningful or that they will have enough wind left to create a new one in addition to the mMacPro.

It would seem reasonable to steer the Mini customer to the bottom-tier mMacPro thus fulfilling most of the "wants" here at higher cost with only one headless desktop architecture to support.
 
By modular I'm pretty sure Apple will mean a bunch of USB c/thunderbolt 3 ports so you can plug an external egpu, SSD and other things into the thinnest desktop we've ever made.

I do think the word "modular" may end up being misleading - I also think it's an opportunity for Apple to shine and push forth some progressive technology ideas like "bridgeable" CPU's or nodes that can be placed anywhere on the network. This and more will be at stake in terms of modularity, cost/performance and the sheer reality of Apple committing to another attempt in the headless category after the trashcan.
 
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eGPU support for me signals that Apple will be happy to let people bring their own GPU - as long as it doesn't go inside an Apple product. They can design for known thermal limits within a smaller case - yes smaller than the 2013 Mac Pro - in the knowledge that they don't have to accommodate the volume/heat/noise of internal storage or a PCIe GPU.

We might see a 2019 WWDC announcement for the modular Mac Pro but we'd expect by then that macOS Mojave would be a mature OS (especially as far as eGPU support is concerned) unless a hardware release is going to be left to the next OS after Mojave in October of that year.
 
I know "bridgeable" CPU's or nodes are "pie in the sky" but I also think the G5 construction model is also unrealistic - I'm almost afraid Apple will come up with some type of sealed box that can't function on it's own but represents an astounding cost increment to leap to the next tier in the mMacPro line-up somewhat like a gimped Pro-machine that get's unlocked in stages - making you invest in the "modular" framework up-front ($$$$$) and then unlock that potential incrementally.
 
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Everyone is going crazy trying to interpret what Phil meant when he said "modular".
Just to set the syntax straight: The iMac is not modular. All the Mac Pros since the beginning and including the cylinder MP - are modular. My bet is it's not going to be some ground breaking Lego set, but just another iteration of a headless Mac (in an over designed case).
 
All the Mac Pros since the beginning and including the cylinder MP - are modular. My bet is it's not going to be some ground breaking Lego set, but just another iteration of a headless Mac (in an over designed case).

With the Mini being severely underpowered and the MacPro so overpriced Apple would be hard-pressed to say they were sustaining the headless market. They have to "break glass" and innovate a vertical platform that captures a greater audience to stay meaningful.
 
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This comparison will be largely moot if and when the 2018 iMac refresh brings the 21.5" iMac range to Retina 4k screens across the board and quad core desktop CPUs across the range, but even if it didn't the 2017 iMac base model is already stretching the value argument against the current 2014 Mac Mini.

Let's discount the base Mac Mini for the moment - it's comically underpowered and even upgrading the RAM at Apple rates is ridiculously pricey with High Sierra and probably Mojave requiring 8Gb base more than ever.

A US mid-SKU 2014 Mini gets you a 2.6GHz 28w TDP i5-4278U with Iris Graphics 5100.
A US base-SKU 2017 iMac gets you a 2.3GHz 15w TDP i5-7360U with Iris Plus Graphics 640.

For equality, both models come with 1Tb HD and 8Gb of RAM. Both are nominally not upgradable after purchase.

The Mini costs $699. The iMac costs $1099.

For your $400 extra, you also get a 1080p non retina display with front facing webcam and microphone. You get wireless Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse 2 as well (each worth $99) and a Lightning to USB cable (with $19). You also get Thunderbolt 3 on the iMac which you can attach fast storage but also an eGPU if you feel you need more compute power but the costs associated with that will increase massively but you'd at least officially have the option.

OK, so forgetting that some of us prefer to bring our own keyboards, mice or monitor on a head to head basis the iMac has a more powerful iGPU with a CPU that has a higher geek bench due to being more modern despite the lower TDP. Modern heavy duty benchmarks might reveal more nuance there but we are looking at single core geek bench of around 3200 vs 4400 and multicore of 6800 vs 9200 for old vs newer CPU.

For comparison, the i5-8250U has single core of 3642, multi core score of over 11k while the UHD620 graphics falls somewhere between the Iris Plus 640 Graphics and the Iris 5100.

If you are that serious about bringing your pre-existing peripherals you can sell the keyboard and mouse and perhaps invest in a Thunderbolt adaptor for your pre-existing screen to run a 2 screen setup to close the gap up a bit.

If you prefer a headless setup or need the space then we have slight issues that could be mitigated with the purchase of a MacBook Air which starts at $999 but you'd have to buy a customised mini with all SSD making the comparison a bit trickier.

And if you paid $1299 for the mid SKU iMac 2017 your extra $200 buys you an upgrade to a Retina 4k screen at 4096x2304 P3 display, 3GHz desktop class CPU (geek bench 4k single score, 11k multicore) with 4 genuine cores driven by a Radeon Pro 555 GPU.

So in total, your extra $600 over the mid model Mini gets you a 4k screen with webcam and mic, Radeon 555 GPU without needing an eGPU, wireless keyboard and mouse, and lightning to USB cable. Imagine this with 6 desktop cores and upgraded GPU later this year...

We could repeat this comparison with a MacBook Air if we start to spec SSDs up on both units but the sad truth of the matter is that Coffee Lake CPUs will completely exterminate the 2014 Mini on benchmarks if and when they arrive on the 2018 models owing to the extra cores that they bring.

Basically by the time Coffee Lake arrives on the other Macs the Mini (and the MacBook Air for that matter) really needs to be involved in the upgrades or there's a serious danger that they'll be overshadowed by more powerful PCs - never mind Macs.


Blah Blah Blah ... I don't WANT your sales reasoning!

Im kidding no offence or malice was intended.

Yet honestly many Mac Mini users do NOT want what you're selling or stating above.

All that "benefit" you're stating falls when ...

1. the Screen or GPU fails.
2. The Screen fails on the iMac.

with #2 ... you no longer have easy access or ability to:
- Locate the S/N for support calls cause you'll be doing JUST that.
- can no longer troubleshoot if the GPU is dead. If you don't have another screen LOL enjoy that sad feeling.
- Enjoy carrying that 15lbs of compute power over to the overly crowded Apple Retail Store for a genius to have a look, not to mention the amount of days for repair to conclude and shedule amongst your busy itinerary to actually pick up the iMac.
> Did I mention just how crappy the above situation would be with NO car of your own, no family member living in the same city with a car, nor friends with available car or time to help you out (both TO and FROM Apple retail store)?!

> Let's increase the cost of total ownership by paying for a Cab/Uber/Lyft ride again to/from Apple retail store considering the situation just above.

Mac Mini ... external monitor goes out ...
boom I can connect to my TV or buy another monitor in the simple cost of the 2 Uber trips mentioned above for a number of people the distance is considerable to the closest retail store. I'm not talking about Ukraine as a location here either.

Now let's consider Apple does NOT register the internal screen or GPU as a Warranty fault or manufacturers default?! ARRRG ... there have been 3 iMac models to date that this occured, one of which ... I think the 2012 model had almost 4yrs before Apple came clean!!! In this case you're looking at buying another iMac ... lol.

see how the end user economies of scale stares at your pitch above and laughs? ;)

Again no offense but the iMac is for a different target market. I do believe Apple will side with you and kill the Mac Mini entirely though, sad as that maybe. To be honest they already have but just forgot to tell everyone outside the exectuve team what's going on.
 
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I don't care about the (entry) price of the mMP. As long as enough professionals go for it and the nMP is flooding the 2nd hand market, letting the prices plummet.

Then I'll get one to replace my 2012 mini, as a design piece, collector's item and a fine reminiscence of the Cube (RIP).

Seeing how even the cheesegraters hold up to this very day, even the entry model nMP should be able to serve me for many years to come.
 
If Apple drop price by $200-$250, maybe I would buy 2014 model. I need it only for web surfing and watch streams or movies. Would be ok for 2 years and then I could decide to go for iMac or new (if) Mac mini. Unfortunate, current price is just insult to customers.
 
For web surfing , emails , basic photo editing and other normal stuff an iPad Pro is more than capable , I use an Air 2 and apart from the small screen it's am,azing what it can do - the drag and drop between emails and photos in splitview is something I really miss on MacOs for example

And unlike the mac and it's OS when things go nasty , you don't have to geek out and become a unix nerd typing in arcane commands just to get the the thing working again

My recent experience with a mac mini has put me right off the things... unreliable , badly made , terrible cooling and a buggy os ( sierra ) - and I've been a mac user for 20+ years

The macos mac experience for me has never been worse..
 
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I have no idea what a mini can do better than a Pro iPad , kindly explain ??
I totally agree with you that an iPad is more than capable for the use cases mentioned before (i.e. websurfing and consuming audio/video streams).

But things get ugly fast when you have to enter lots of text or need the precision of a keyboard/mouse interface. Heck - even quoting or correcting text can be a PITA on an iPad.

And then there are lots of complex programs that are simply not available on iOS, whatever the reason.

I think it can be generalized (roughly) that iPad still is mainly for consumption and a full-fledged computer for creation/production. It gets blurry with things like iMovie on iOS, though personally I could not imagine doing proper video cutting with the impreciseness of a finger-based UI. But that's just me ...
 
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