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And what are they waiting for, in order to give the Mac Mini - TB3 and 4K capable iGPU? Oh that's right, nothing. Those have been available for a while now. Apple just decides to give us the shaft instead.

I think increasingly they didn't want to update the Mini because their small tech team were fire fighting elsewhere on well documented projects (or freewheeling with speakers etc) and also Apple didn't want to update the Mini until they had sorted the Mac Pro out following the 2013 debacle. Remember they ditched the Time Capsule and wifi routers in general during this time.

They can't seriously be thinking about a 2018 update now because it might cannibalise the 2019 modular Mac Pro which could be arriving within 6 months (more likely to be within a 6-18 months time span now) in terms of people spending their Mac budget on a machine which could potentially connect to an eGPU cheaply.

And if we see a 2018 Mini arrive it could be severely underpowered* or be indirect evidence that the mMP will be starting north of $4k.

*When I say underpowered they could decide to put an i3-8109U into it - dual core, 4 threads rather than a quad core, 8 thread i5-8259U.

And using the i3 could mean economy of scale due to using it for the non touch bar MacBook Pro because Intel haven't launched a 15w replacement CPU with Iris Graphics or Apple deem the i5-8250U unsuitable for the MacBook Air let alone the non touch bar MacBook Pro.

I would consider an eGPU in conjunction with a Thunderbolt 3 equipped Mac Mini on the assumption that a lower spec 2018 Mini (if launched this year) would be designed not to overlap with a 2019 modular Mac Pro. The next stop on the Mac Mini saga if there isn't one this year would be as a base SKU of the mMP in 2019 - after which I think it's PC or Hackintosh time for many people here if alternatives such as iMac or MacBook Pro are still plagued with issues.
 
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Funny, I just got my first iPad last week and today I tried the Apple Store app for the first time. There’s a section where it lists all your Apple products (based on your Apple ID apparently). It correctly lists my iPad and iPhone specs, right down to the color.

For my MacBook Air, it gets the year right but shows the wrong processor, wrong amount of RAM and wrong SSD capacity. My 2012 quad mini is just shown as a “Mini” with no specs and my 2014 Mini is just an icon without any identification at all.

Seems to say something about Apple’s general philosophy.... ;)
 
I doubt any of this has any effect on the fate of the Mac Mini though unless they were specifically looking for the smaller CPUs to be much more energy efficient, but that would feed more into the corresponding laptops.
More energy efficiency also means less heat and a new opportunity to redesign the thermal layout.
And what are they waiting for, in order to give the Mac Mini - TB3 and 4K capable iGPU?
New I/O is a side effect of new CPUs, which Apple prefers to update on a tick. There is no rush to update their most affordable Mac. Buy an iMac, if you want 4K right now!
 
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There is no rush to update their most affordable Mac.

You've got to be kidding me :)

4 years old hardware, 5400 rpm HDD - yes, this is the time Apple need to update mini or just simply remove it from their AOS. I don't know other company which offers 4th gen i5 in such a high price... A budget notebook with Windows ($299) I saw few days ago have newer CPU than Crap Mini.

I love macOS but Apple will not force me to buy iMac or MacBook (which cost much more and also have old hardware). If they stop selling MacMini, I will buy HP Z2 Mini and go for Windows option.
 
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A budget notebook with Windows ($299) I saw few days ago have newer CPU than Crap Mini.
They're worthless, because they are a commodity. If you want to make a profit, you need a unique selling proposition. If there is no other reason to buy a Mac mini, than there is no reason to buy one. Always using the newest Intel CPU leaves all the profits with Intel. Who would want that? Not Apple.
 
What is Apple's USP for Mac Mini? "Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices"? "Our slow HDDs will allow you ample relaxation time before and during working hours"?
is osx no virus, hispter programmer tools,video editing.It work out the box.

** in heard crying loud, why does 4GB memory not enough like linux based .. It just a unix flavour. In the end i upgrade to 2017 base line 8 GB.. sell the old mac mini 2014
 
If a person wanted to look at all this silence as a sign from Apple, the silence could be interpreted as follows:

Perhaps if Apple's plans for the Mini were nothing earth-shaking, just bring the components of the current design up-to-date and tweak the pricing, then Apple would be sharing their plans with the GUM (Great Unwashed Masses, AKA us) if for no other reason than to make us shut the * up. However, if Apple's plans are a jack move in an unexpected direction that could catch their competition on the wrong foot, they will remain silent as long as possible. All for the good as far as Apple's marketing and bottom-line-focused folks are concerned. From the perspective of most of the GUM on this thread, such a "jack move" could be very good (a nice modular desktop line using Intel or AMD processors with DIY access) or horribly bad (sealed boxes with ARM processors incompatible with Intel-processors codes).

A four year silence? Yea, just content yourself with that thought. :rolleyes:
 
and applied replaces the stock thermal paste with liquid metal.
Thanks for reminding me. Seriously.

Major overhaul on mine very soon. Mid-July is looking good for time slot. Already have 1TB SSD (goodbye platter boot drive, I will not miss you), a 7200rpm 1TB HDD for onboard backup in bay 2, and PRAM battery sitting in the cupboard. But forgot paste. :oops:

the 2019 modular Mac Pro which could be arriving within 6 months (more likely to be within a 6-18 months time span now)
If they wait 18 months, they will not have enough a pro base left to field a bridge four.

Always using the newest Intel CPU leaves all the profits with Intel. Who would want that? Not Apple.
Newest?

My 2012 Mini and Air are 3rd gen chipset (Ivy), and the current Mini is 4th gen (Haswell).

Current gen from Intel is 8th (Coffee Lake).

I'd be happy at this point with two or three generations old (Skylake, Broadwell).
 
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Just imagine how courageous it would be for Apple to remove all the orifices from the new Mac Mini! They could cast it out of a solid block of epoxy and be certain that nobody would ever open it up or attach any ugly wires to it. And "multiple years away" would be just in time for the next Mini update! :D

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/06/21/apple-considered-no-lightning-on-iphone-x/

Just to be absolutely clear, Gurman confirmed to me that this would have included removing the Lightning connector from the device. In fact, his report notes that Apple designers eventually hope to "remove most of the external ports and buttons on the iPhone," although this is likely multiple years away.
 
New I/O is a side effect of new CPUs, which Apple prefers to update on a tick. There is no rush to update their most affordable Mac. Buy an iMac, if you want 4K right now!
The "new" I/O has been available for a couple generations, Apple just doesn't want to lose the sale of a single iMac

Why buy an iMac, when I have a nice keyboard, mouse and monitor already? I guess you, like Apple, are really into eWaste.
 
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Oh, and just "One More Thing..."

... they all will be dual core processors with an onboard graphic chip designed by apple in cuperdino, but actually built by sammy in their forgotten old factories from leftover parts.

Anyone else think the new mini will be in the ATV form factor or similar ? Mac Micro / Nano ???

yes, it is so small that you dont even notice it! not even in an apple store.
 
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Apparently my suggestion of Gojumpinthe Lake was rejected.
But my suggestion of Whiskey Lake was approved, and I still chuckle at that! I've been joking about that in the (RIP) Skylake MBP thread, and hey presto! (Now pay me, Intel.)

is osx no virus, hispter programmer tools,video editing.It work out the box.
How is this a USP of Mac Mini and not every other Mac?

'It works very slowly out of the box' maybe...
 
But my suggestion of Whiskey Lake was approved, and I still chuckle at that! I've been joking about that in the (RIP) Skylake MBP thread, and hey presto! (Now pay me, Intel.)


How is this a USP of Mac Mini and not every other Mac?

'It works very slowly out of the box' maybe...
My first experience and and it dam hel* slow . As a person whom use linux(fedora,ubuntu,red hat) and windows.It's pretty shock . The solder ram is the worst nightmare.
 
This comparison will be largely moot if and when the 2018 iMac refresh brings the 21.5" iMac range to Retina 4k screens across the board and quad core desktop CPUs across the range, but even if it didn't the 2017 iMac base model is already stretching the value argument against the current 2014 Mac Mini.

Let's discount the base Mac Mini for the moment - it's comically underpowered and even upgrading the RAM at Apple rates is ridiculously pricey with High Sierra and probably Mojave requiring 8Gb base more than ever.

A US mid-SKU 2014 Mini gets you a 2.6GHz 28w TDP i5-4278U with Iris Graphics 5100.
A US base-SKU 2017 iMac gets you a 2.3GHz 15w TDP i5-7360U with Iris Plus Graphics 640.

For equality, both models come with 1Tb HD and 8Gb of RAM. Both are nominally not upgradable after purchase.

The Mini costs $699. The iMac costs $1099.

For your $400 extra, you also get a 1080p non retina display with front facing webcam and microphone. You get wireless Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse 2 as well (each worth $99) and a Lightning to USB cable (with $19). You also get Thunderbolt 3 on the iMac which you can attach fast storage but also an eGPU if you feel you need more compute power but the costs associated with that will increase massively but you'd at least officially have the option.

OK, so forgetting that some of us prefer to bring our own keyboards, mice or monitor on a head to head basis the iMac has a more powerful iGPU with a CPU that has a higher geek bench due to being more modern despite the lower TDP. Modern heavy duty benchmarks might reveal more nuance there but we are looking at single core geek bench of around 3200 vs 4400 and multicore of 6800 vs 9200 for old vs newer CPU.

For comparison, the i5-8250U has single core of 3642, multi core score of over 11k while the UHD620 graphics falls somewhere between the Iris Plus 640 Graphics and the Iris 5100.

If you are that serious about bringing your pre-existing peripherals you can sell the keyboard and mouse and perhaps invest in a Thunderbolt adaptor for your pre-existing screen to run a 2 screen setup to close the gap up a bit.

If you prefer a headless setup or need the space then we have slight issues that could be mitigated with the purchase of a MacBook Air which starts at $999 but you'd have to buy a customised mini with all SSD making the comparison a bit trickier.

And if you paid $1299 for the mid SKU iMac 2017 your extra $200 buys you an upgrade to a Retina 4k screen at 4096x2304 P3 display, 3GHz desktop class CPU (geek bench 4k single score, 11k multicore) with 4 genuine cores driven by a Radeon Pro 555 GPU.

So in total, your extra $600 over the mid model Mini gets you a 4k screen with webcam and mic, Radeon 555 GPU without needing an eGPU, wireless keyboard and mouse, and lightning to USB cable. Imagine this with 6 desktop cores and upgraded GPU later this year...

We could repeat this comparison with a MacBook Air if we start to spec SSDs up on both units but the sad truth of the matter is that Coffee Lake CPUs will completely exterminate the 2014 Mini on benchmarks if and when they arrive on the 2018 models owing to the extra cores that they bring.

Basically by the time Coffee Lake arrives on the other Macs the Mini (and the MacBook Air for that matter) really needs to be involved in the upgrades or there's a serious danger that they'll be overshadowed by more powerful PCs - never mind Macs.
 
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This comparison will be largely moot if and when the 2018 iMac refresh brings the 21.5" iMac range to Retina 4k screens across the board and quad core desktop CPUs across the range, but even if it didn't the 2017 iMac base model is already stretching the value argument against the current 2014 Mac Mini.

Let's discount the base Mac Mini for the moment - it's comically underpowered and even upgrading the RAM at Apple rates is ridiculously pricey with High Sierra and probably Mojave requiring 8Gb base more than ever.

A US mid-SKU 2014 Mini gets you a 2.6GHz 28w TDP i5-4278U with Iris Graphics 5100.
A US base-SKU 2017 iMac gets you a 2.3GHz 15w TDP i5-7360U with Iris Plus Graphics 640.

For equality, both models come with 1Tb HD and 8Gb of RAM. Both are nominally not upgradable after purchase.

The Mini costs $699. The iMac costs $1099.

For your $400 extra, you also get a 1080p non retina display with front facing webcam and microphone. You get wireless Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse 2 as well (each worth $99) and a Lightning to USB cable (with $19). You also get Thunderbolt 3 on the iMac which you can attach fast storage but also an eGPU if you feel you need more compute power but the costs associated with that will increase massively but you'd at least officially have the option.

OK, so forgetting that some of us prefer to bring our own keyboards, mice or monitor on a head to head basis the iMac has a more powerful iGPU with a CPU that has a higher geek bench due to being more modern despite the lower TDP. Modern heavy duty benchmarks might reveal more nuance there but we are looking at single core geek bench of around 3200 vs 4400 and multicore of 6800 vs 9200 for old vs newer CPU.

For comparison, the i5-8250U has single core of 3642, multi core score of over 11k while the UHD620 graphics falls somewhere between the Iris Plus 640 Graphics and the Iris 5100.

If you are that serious about bringing your pre-existing peripherals you can sell the keyboard and mouse and perhaps invest in a Thunderbolt adaptor for your pre-existing screen to run a 2 screen setup to close the gap up a bit.

If you prefer a headless setup or need the space then we have slight issues that could be mitigated with the purchase of a MacBook Air which starts at $999 but you'd have to buy a customised mini with all SSD making the comparison a bit trickier.

And if you paid $1299 for the mid SKU iMac 2017 your extra $200 buys you an upgrade to a Retina 4k screen at 4096x2304 P3 display, 3GHz desktop class CPU (geek bench 4k single score, 11k multicore) with 4 genuine cores driven by a Radeon Pro 555 GPU.

So in total, your extra $600 over the mid model Mini gets you a 4k screen with webcam and mic, Radeon 555 GPU without needing an eGPU, wireless keyboard and mouse, and lightning to USB cable. Imagine this with 6 desktop cores and upgraded GPU later this year...

We could repeat this comparison with a MacBook Air if we start to spec SSDs up on both units but the sad truth of the matter is that Coffee Lake CPUs will completely exterminate the 2014 Mini on benchmarks if and when they arrive on the 2018 models owing to the extra cores that they bring.

Basically by the time Coffee Lake arrives on the other Macs the Mini (and the MacBook Air for that matter) really needs to be involved in the upgrades or there's a serious danger that they'll be overshadowed by more powerful PCs - never mind Macs.

You make some valid points. For me, until the iMac comes with a curved 34" or larger monitor, I would prefer to use a desktop like the Mac Mini and use the monitor of my choice.
 
This comparison will be largely moot if and when the 2018 iMac refresh brings the 21.5" iMac range to Retina 4k screens across the board and quad core desktop CPUs across the range, but even if it didn't the 2017 iMac base model is already stretching the value argument against the current 2014 Mac Mini.

Let's discount the base Mac Mini for the moment - it's comically underpowered and even upgrading the RAM at Apple rates is ridiculously pricey with High Sierra and probably Mojave requiring 8Gb base more than ever.

A US mid-SKU 2014 Mini gets you a 2.6GHz 28w TDP i5-4278U with Iris Graphics 5100.
A US base-SKU 2017 iMac gets you a 2.3GHz 15w TDP i5-7360U with Iris Plus Graphics 640.

For equality, both models come with 1Tb HD and 8Gb of RAM. Both are nominally not upgradable after purchase.

The Mini costs $699. The iMac costs $1099.

For your $400 extra, you also get a 1080p non retina display with front facing webcam and microphone. You get wireless Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse 2 as well (each worth $99) and a Lightning to USB cable (with $19). You also get Thunderbolt 3 on the iMac which you can attach fast storage but also an eGPU if you feel you need more compute power but the costs associated with that will increase massively but you'd at least officially have the option.

OK, so forgetting that some of us prefer to bring our own keyboards, mice or monitor on a head to head basis the iMac has a more powerful iGPU with a CPU that has a higher geek bench due to being more modern despite the lower TDP. Modern heavy duty benchmarks might reveal more nuance there but we are looking at single core geek bench of around 3200 vs 4400 and multicore of 6800 vs 9200 for old vs newer CPU.

For comparison, the i5-8250U has single core of 3642, multi core score of over 11k while the UHD620 graphics falls somewhere between the Iris Plus 640 Graphics and the Iris 5100.

If you are that serious about bringing your pre-existing peripherals you can sell the keyboard and mouse and perhaps invest in a Thunderbolt adaptor for your pre-existing screen to run a 2 screen setup to close the gap up a bit.

If you prefer a headless setup or need the space then we have slight issues that could be mitigated with the purchase of a MacBook Air which starts at $999 but you'd have to buy a customised mini with all SSD making the comparison a bit trickier.

And if you paid $1299 for the mid SKU iMac 2017 your extra $200 buys you an upgrade to a Retina 4k screen at 4096x2304 P3 display, 3GHz desktop class CPU (geek bench 4k single score, 11k multicore) with 4 genuine cores driven by a Radeon Pro 555 GPU.

So in total, your extra $600 over the mid model Mini gets you a 4k screen with webcam and mic, Radeon 555 GPU without needing an eGPU, wireless keyboard and mouse, and lightning to USB cable. Imagine this with 6 desktop cores and upgraded GPU later this year...

We could repeat this comparison with a MacBook Air if we start to spec SSDs up on both units but the sad truth of the matter is that Coffee Lake CPUs will completely exterminate the 2014 Mini on benchmarks if and when they arrive on the 2018 models owing to the extra cores that they bring.

Basically by the time Coffee Lake arrives on the other Macs the Mini (and the MacBook Air for that matter) really needs to be involved in the upgrades or there's a serious danger that they'll be overshadowed by more powerful PCs - never mind Macs.
But I have no need of a webcam or that iMac screen. I'd prefer something which is better quality thanks.
 
I'm gonna tell you what to buy yada yada yazing!
good points, preacher, but can those imackies or airies do this?
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