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It's just the desktop CPU Intel option Apple choose.
Much, much tinier and closed MBP has vega so I don't see any reasons why it can't fit into mini.

For basic surfing and accounting you don't need more GPU power but for anything else you really need it, especially as it's the field with most advancement in recent years (unlike CPUs).

Again, mini is pointless as a home comp if you can't play the round of a modern game on it.
No doubt it could fit. But Apple also used a 65W CPU in the mini, not 45W like the MBP. Also, the mini is designed to be quieter than the MBP; the MBP can be quite loud under heavy loads.

But sure, Apple could have used a bigger enclosure, larger/faster fan, a lower-wattage CPU or had a more expensive base model than the mini they delivered, if they wanted to have a discrete GPU. And they would have, if it had been a higher priority. But it’s not. Apple re-targeted the mini away from the home/consumer market. And they prioritized CPU performance over adding a GPU.

I think part of their reasoning is that those who require more GPU often need a lot more GPU. So putting a 30-40W GPU in the mini just gets them into a no-man’s land where it’s not good enough to drive increased sales, but it’s hotter, more expensive, larger and/or louder for everyone.

Also, you mention games; gaming on Macs is not that prevalent, but to many of those for whom gaming performance is important, they want lots of GPU. The limited performance available in a MBP or iMac-class GPU isn’t good enough for them (and a lot of gamers don’t like AMD, they want NVIDIA for CUDA support).

So gamers and others who require higher GPU compute are much better served by a 150-250W card in an external TB3 enclosure than by adding a relatively low performance discrete GPU to the logic board. There are probably other factors that went into Apple’s decision matrix in deciding not to include a (modest) discrete GPU in the mini, but I think it just boils down to them deciding it would provide limited benefit to their target market, and come with significant drawbacks. Anyway those are my thoughts.
 
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I think part of their reasoning is that those who require more GPU often need a lot more GPU. So putting a 30-40W GPU in the mini just gets them into a no-man’s land where it’s not good enough to drive increased sales, but it’s hotter, more expensive, larger and/or louder for everyone...

Anyway those are my thoughts.

I recall when Apple bragged of having a GPU in all their computers. Even the Mini.
But you are correct in that the GPU's were basically marketing nonsense rather than any good.

Personally, I think the 2018 Mini is a great product that should have been the replacement for the 2012's.

I'd totally buy a 2018 right now if it wasn't for that...

The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming!
 
What is it about these new mac Minis that could not have been built 3 or 4 years ago?
Undersized SSD's were around even then.
Where is my Roomba option, or 64GB std memory?
Where is my SSD bigger than a USB stick?
I know I get a brand new file system free. What I don't get is why I would want it.
Does it play Stairway to Heaven at 78 RPM?
 
What is it about these new mac Minis that could not have been built 3 or 4 years ago?
Undersized SSD's were around even then.
Where is my Roomba option, or 64GB std memory?
Where is my SSD bigger than a USB stick?
I know I get a brand new file system free. What I don't get is why I would want it.
Does it play Stairway to Heaven at 78 RPM?

Well then maybe you shouldn't buy one.

Let me know when you find a US$800 computer that comes with 64GB of RAM as standard, and is set up in advance to control an obscure brand of vacuum cleaner.

You're effectively saying that you won't purchase a computer made by anyone, which is your prerogative, but also irrelevant to anyone who actually wants to buy a new computer.
 
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I do exaggerate F-Train. I just feel that given the actual time frame, Apple could have done better, for cheaper.
Feels like they sat on their backsides for at least two years. With the number of horror stories I'm reading, maybe 3 years, then a rush job. Don't think I'll buy a new mini yet. The new pro might be worth the wait, or it may be time to dump Apple after 40 years. Other OS' have grown into platforms I can live with, at prices cheaper than Apple is willing to match.

Yes, 64GB was a trifle extreme, but so are 128GB internal drives.
 
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I don't like it, but you are probably correct.
Someone might make a parasitic arm board for PC that'll use PC Memory video and an ssd to run iOSX.
-Frackintosh? It'd be an abortion, but might be made to work.
 
Has this thread run out of steam? No musings for over a month!

Hopefully, Apple will spec bump Mac mini with 9th gen Intel processor. And support for rumored 6K3K monitor if it requires new hardware.

Considering that 2018 Mac mini uses Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller with DisplayPort 1.4 (8K 60 Hz 10-bit), I assume later isn't necessary.

Throwing wrench into the works is ARM transition. If Apple is planning on switching to ARM, the current Mac mini may be the last of its kind.
 
Ugh. After how Apple has handled (still ongoing) issues with the 2018 MacBook, (issues lingering from 2016), Arm is guaranteed to be an even bigger s***show. Despite being tied to Logic, once Apple goes Arm I'm moving back to Windows and finding another DAW. I have depressingly low expectations for Logic, Live, AU/VST and ARM all playing nicely together...
 
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Ugh. After how Apple has handled (still ongoing) issues with the 2018 MacBook, (issues lingering from 2016), Arm is guaranteed to be an even bigger s***show. Despite being tied to Logic, once Apple goes Arm I'm moving back to Windows and finding another DAW. I have depressingly low expectations for Logic, Live, AU/VST and ARM all playing nicely together...

Given that my cost of Logic currently works out to just over US$30/year over the time that I’ve owned it, and that it has done a great job of meeting my needs, I won’t be in a hurry to trade it, at a cost of $750, plus the cost of annual upgrades, plus the value of my time that it takes to master a new DAW, for Ableton Live.
 
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I’m just glad my 2011 Mac mini is going strong. 16gb of ram and replaceable storage. Replaced my old 128gb ssd again with a 512gb SSD and it’s like new again. It’s been on 24hrs a day for the last 8 years, serving the household its media, and showing no signs of stopping. Touch wood
 
Considering that 2018 Mac mini uses Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller with DisplayPort 1.4 (8K 60 Hz 10-bit), I assume later isn't necessary.
w00t!?!
TB3 does not support dp1.4.
Have this changed?

Offtopic, but can keep this thread alive,
I'm having issues with mm2018 & LG 34WK95U, display not waking up.
Also, my home dir in external ssd keeps ejecting sometimes, usually in sleep/wake situations.
This is what sysinfo tells about the ssd:
Product ID: 0x0715
Vendor ID: 0x2109 (VIA Labs, Inc.)
Version: 1.31
Serial Number: 000000123ADA
Speed: Up to 10Gb/sec
Manufacturer: VLI Manufacture String
Location ID: 0x02100000 / 1
Current Available (mA): 500
Current Required (mA): 896
Extra Operating Current (mA): 0

Is there something wrong with current?
It requires 0.9A, but gets only 0.5A?
 
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