The new MBP 13'' is a total fail.

[Davichi]

How can you POSSIBLY state that that's a worthy upgrade for a 2011 premium machine ($1000+)?!?!?!?!?! What is the point of a Sand Bridge processor (which 95% of the users wont use at full potential) if paired with a low-end GPU, no SDD and a 2006 screen-resolution (1200x800 on a 13" screen)?!?!?

I mean, this Macbook Pro is WAY WORSE for 2011 than the previous version was for 2010! Total disappointment!

It has been many times said by others that if MBP 13 inch gets sandy bridge, it will get intel GPU. Faster processor speed is like 2 times more performance, so you have to make a trade off for GPU.

Also, it's 1280X800 resolution, not 1200X800 resolution.

It's also sandy bridge, not sand bridge.

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

15 inch MBP and 17 inch MBP have way better GPU and CPU. Doesn't have to be 13 inch.

 

[thegreatdivorce]

All the whining about the screen res is cracking me up.

If you're actually doing work on the MBP, you're probably plugging it into a bigger external display. If you're not, I feel sorry for your eyes. I don't even like editing on the 1650px screen on my 15". In the end, it's not so much the resolution as it is the screen size.

People just like to fixate on one thing they didn't get, and forget what's really important.

It has much better computing power. We expected an i3, and it has an i5/i7.

It's not, and never has been, a gaming machine, so I don't get the whining about the GPU.

If they took out the optical drive, your average user would've been irate. "Where do I put my movies in?" / "What do you mean I have to buy an external DVD drive?" As a (huge) business, you cater to the largest segments, especially for the product like the 13 MBP which is, and has always been, entry level.

It DOESN'T HAVE A WORSE BATTERY. If you actually used your computer, you weren't getting 9-10 hours. Sitting there pushing the mouse around with the screen fully dimmed doesn't count.

Some of you are impossible. It's not an amazing update in every respect (I don't get the lack of BTO screen options), but it is good where it matters most (CPU).

 

[OliverOSX93]

to those complaining about the screen, do you think its possible to put a MBA 13inc screen in the new MBP? not ideal I know..

 

[Demosthenes X]

Yah it's definitely a so-so update. I wonder if they left the screen res the same so the integrated graphics doesn't totally struggle in games. I still don't think there's an excuse though for the integrated graphics in the pro machine while having dedicated in the consumer machine. Apple used to make 12" machines with dedicated gpus and they are a huge company with a lot of sway, if they really wanted to get it done they could.

Huh? The MacBook, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro 13" all have integrated graphics. In the notebook line, only the 15" and 17" MacBook Pro offer discrete graphics...

And the 12" PowerBook never got 7 hours of battery life. Apple's pushing battery life these days, and a discrete GPU would eat into battery life way to much for it to be worthwhile from their POV (unless they get rid of the ODD, that is).

 

[gpcovenant]

I have the late 2008 unibody. This is supposed to feel like I am upgrading my machine? In real world performance almost none of this will be noticable. How can they still not offer the hi res screen on the 13inch. And no second drive for a small ssd for the os and apps? The MBA is cool but the storage is simple too small.

So disappointing. I either have to spend 2300 for the high end 15 to actually feel like am upgrading for the price or suffer another year with this crappy battery.

 

[Funkymonk]

Are some of you guys getting paid to defend apple?

 

[vectus]

So disappointing. I either have to spend 2300 for the high end 15 to actually feel like am upgrading for the price or suffer another year with this crappy battery.

You should probably research their new battery testing methods or read one of the other dozen threads about the battery life change before making yourself look like a troll. Why is it so fashionable to be uneducated?

On topic: If you don't like the 13" then don't buy it. Are you seriously wanting a 13" gaming machine? Even the 17" MBP with the best offerings would be **** compared to a similar priced desktop gaming machine. These complaints are very entertaining. I enjoy laughing at you.

 

[mgartner0622]

Look-
The Intel IGP is perfectly fine for almost everyone besides gamers and real professional users.
Why is everyone complaining? If you want more power, buy a 15"
Plus, doesn't anyone remember the GMA 950? Don't complain, the intel igp could be a lot worse.

 

[tigress666]

Look-
The Intel IGP is perfectly fine for almost everyone besides gamers and real professional users.
Why is everyone complaining? If you want more power, buy a 15"
Plus, doesn't anyone remember the GMA 950? Don't complain, the intel igp could be a lot worse.

Maybe they want more power but they don't want a *bigger* computer. Why does everyone expect that you aren't compromising something by going to the 15"? Even if you don't care about price, some of us prefer the smaller size for the size itself. My computer is attached to a 21" screen when at home so I don't care about the bigger screen and that's the only advantage I see of increasing a laptop's size (allows for a bigger screen).

Except that companies seem to think that anyone who wants a smaller laptop also doesn't care about performance cause obviously we only want small cause of price and not cause of the size itself. That's how American car companies lost out to foreign car companies. Assuming those people who wanted compact cars only wanted them cause that is what they could afford. And not realizing there is a market for people who actually like the smaller cars but still want the luxury features.

(sorry, you hit a pet peeve. People who want the smaller laptop may not necessarily want it cause it's cheaper but actually prefer that size. And in general the American attitude that people only want smaller cause they don't want to pay for bigger. Some of us like smaller cars, smaller motorcycles, smaller computers).

 

[Racingdriver]

1. The difference between 1333Mhz and 1066Mhz RAM is unnoticeable.

Can you use the old original 1066Mhz RAM of the 2010 MBP if you already bought it with 8GB?

 

[marshallbedsaul]

As for battery life, I have a 2010 model, and there's no way I can get 8-10 hours out of the battery unless it is sitting idle, with the screen blanked.

In *actual* use, I can get around 4 hours, assuming I'm not watching video or using any flash.

So, I really doubt that the battery life is downgraded in the new models.

If you don't like the 13" MBP, don't get one! As for me, it is the only model I'll use, because I like the power and the small size.

i get 6-8 normal use 72 cycles

 

[akhbhaat]

Maybe they want more power but they don't want a *bigger* computer. Why does everyone expect that you aren't compromising something by going to the 15"? Even if you don't care about price, some of us prefer the smaller size for the size itself. My computer is attached to a 21" screen when at home so I don't care about the bigger screen and that's the only advantage I see of increasing a laptop's size (allows for a bigger screen).

Except that companies seem to think that anyone who wants a smaller laptop also doesn't care about performance cause obviously we only want small cause of price and not cause of the size itself. That's how American car companies lost out to foreign car companies. Assuming those people who wanted compact cars only wanted them cause that is what they could afford. And not realizing there is a market for people who actually like the smaller cars but still want the luxury features.

(sorry, you hit a pet peeve. People who want the smaller laptop may not necessarily want it cause it's cheaper but actually prefer that size. And in general the American attitude that people only want smaller cause they don't want to pay for bigger. Some of us like smaller cars, smaller motorcycles, smaller computers).

+1

And yes, I feel the same way about cars.

 

[mgartner0622]

Maybe they want more power but they don't want a *bigger* computer. Why does everyone expect that you aren't compromising something by going to the 15"? Even if you don't care about price, some of us prefer the smaller size for the size itself. My computer is attached to a 21" screen when at home so I don't care about the bigger screen and that's the only advantage I see of increasing a laptop's size (allows for a bigger screen).

Except that companies seem to think that anyone who wants a smaller laptop also doesn't care about performance cause obviously we only want small cause of price and not cause of the size itself. That's how American car companies lost out to foreign car companies. Assuming those people who wanted compact cars only wanted them cause that is what they could afford. And not realizing there is a market for people who actually like the smaller cars but still want the luxury features.

(sorry, you hit a pet peeve. People who want the smaller laptop may not necessarily want it cause it's cheaper but actually prefer that size. And in general the American attitude that people only want smaller cause they don't want to pay for bigger. Some of us like smaller cars, smaller motorcycles, smaller computers).

I didn't mean it that way.
I myself would like a 13" with the ATi GPU's however we are limited by the fact we don't have them. By my post, I was trying to imply that we have what we have, and that if someone does not like the 13" this refresh, they should get the 15" as it probably will suit their needs better.

 

[panzer06]

Are some of you guys getting paid to defend apple?

Sometimes it feels like that must be the case. Steve and Apple can do no wrong. And don't you dare suggest otherwise!

Cheers,

 

[elpmas]

Looks like a good buy to me. Apple can't satisfy everyone

 

[VeNoMiZeD]

I you need or want to buy ur first 13" its good news...

however my $999 microcenter 2010 base 13" does not take so much of a back seat.

So glad to hear this too. I just bought mine on the last week of December basing off rumors that the MBP would be coming out in June. So when I heard it was released this week, I was a little bummed that I bought the older model and this came out. Now I don't feel so bad buying it.

 

[mattcube64]

+1

And yes, I feel the same way about cars.

Gotta say I'm a big ol' muscle car guy. But that said, I totally agree with this man's point. I wouldn't mind spending a little extra $$$ to get premium features in the 13". I like the SIZE of the laptop. And while an Air would be my first choice, I know a fast processor and nice, dedicated GPU are impossible. But in the 13" Pro chassis, it's definitely possible, ESPECIALLY without the Superdrive. I've said, for about six refreshes now, that I would buy the 13" Pro in an INSTANT, for a premium, if they offered a high-res screen an decent (read: what we see in 15" models) GPU. But. It. Never. Happens.

I was waiting to see what Apple was going to do with the new Pros. But, I think after today, I may end up "trading sideways" for a 13" Air.

 

[johnc22]

I was anxiously awaiting this to be my first Mac, but the low resolution screen is a deal breaker.

Whatever I buy I'll need to run VMWare Fusion for windows + Visual Studio for .NET development so I'm afraid the MBA is underpowered. I didn't need a fancy graphics card so I'm OK with that, but the low resolution just kills it. Everything else would have worked for me.

Now I have to decide if I can live with the heavier and larger 15" - the money doesn't bother me but I was hoping to keep it around 4.5lbs or less.

 

[activerog]

MBP 13" 2010 battery life

They don't. The 2010 models had 8-9 hour batteries.

Agreed: I was getting about that on mine, at least 7 hours, often closer to 8hrs.

 

[thegreatdivorce]

Are some of you guys getting paid to defend apple?

Are some of you guys getting paid to be obtuse?

 

[davefave]

The better question is, why do the new MacBook Pros support Blunderbolt, but not USB 3.0?

There's going to be... what... 20 devices at the end of 2011 that will officially support Thunderbolt? Meanwhile hundreds of USB 3.0?

Obviously Apple is in bed with Intel. Pushing beyond standards my ass. More like cheerleading for Intel's licensing fees.

 

[kopite19]

Why no 7200rpm hdd option for the 13"?

Tres odd.

 

[panzer06]

Are some of you guys getting paid to be obtuse?

If they are they likely wouldn't know what the word means.

Cheers,

 

[beefcoder]

A high-res option for the 13" MBP would have been an amazing feature.

 

[Littleodie914]

The resolution did kill it for me. I would LOVE a Core i5, but it really isn't worth it if you can get an 11" computer with a higher resolution. I was hoping I would want to upgrade, but now I want them to come out with another revision later this year.

I completely agree. Everything about this refresh was great, with the exception of the display. Coming from an X3100, I would have been happy with the HD 3000 GPU.

I can understand the arguments of those who can "live with" the 1280x800 resolution, but when a 13" professional grade laptop has fewer pixels than an 11" consumer/convenience machine, it's pretty disappointing. Even a BTO 1440x900 option would have redeemed the refresh, but I guess I'll be waiting for the next bump.