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The new MBP 13'' is a total fail.

Though I have to add I'm kinda happy it's much faster cause that means when it's time for me to upgrade next time the upgrade will actually be significantly faster than my last MBP.

This one was disappointing that despite it being 3 years newer than my MB, it's not all that noticeably faster (the bigger difference I saw was more attributed to the more RAM).
 
I was trying to decide whether to buy a 13" Macbook Pro or a 13" Macbook Air last night. I decided to go with the Pro. I am upgrading from a 2007 white Macbook running on 1 G of Ram, 80 gig hard drive, etc (lol). My Macbook pro is the base $1,199 model with a 128 gig SSD installed.

The choise was between
MPB 13 Inch
2.3Ghz i5
4GB RAM
128G SSD
Superdrive built in
Backlit keyboard
1200X800
iWork and Office preinstalled
$1,617.95

MBA 13 Inch
1.86Ghz Duo
4GB Ram
128G Flash
Add-on Superdrive
1400X900
iWork and Office preinstalled
$1,646.95

These computers cost the same, but the MBP would likely smoke the MBA in performance, no? MBA is lighter, though.
 
Alcibiades said:
I was trying to decide whether to buy a 13" Macbook Pro or a 13" Macbook Air last night. I decided to go with the Pro. I am upgrading from a 2007 white Macbook running on 1 G of Ram, 80 gig hard drive, etc (lol). My Macbook pro is the base $1,199 model with a 128 gig SSD installed.

The choise was between
MPB 13 Inch
2.3Ghz i5
4GB RAM
128G SSD
Superdrive built in
Backlit keyboard
1200X800
iWork and Office preinstalled
$1,617.95

MBA 13 Inch
1.86Ghz Duo
4GB Ram
128G Flash
Add-on Superdrive
1400X900
iWork and Office preinstalled
$1,646.95

These computers cost the same, but the MBP would likely smoke the MBA in performance, no? MBA is lighter, though.
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If you going for the air , you can skip the add-on superdrive for now and save 99$. you can always pick it up later.
 
yeah the new pro will smoke the MBA. The two things the MBA has going for it is the screen res and the SSD. I guess also the weight. But I put an SSD in my new MBP and it smokes the hell out of the MBA. xbench of the 2.13Ghz is ~180, I got 312 or something like that..

Check my benchmark thread.
 
sufferrar said:
If you going for the air , you can skip the add-on superdrive for now and save 99$. you can always pick it up later.
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And get rid of the microsoft office....Just saying you obtain that through ways I will not specify as I don't feel like coming back to this post and seeing giant red mod letters blocking it out.
 
The 13" Air display has inferior color rendition.

I'm disappointed that they don't offer a hi-res display for the 13" MBP yet, but I don't want them to just toss in the same one from the MacBook Air. Its lower color gamut can really affect the clarity of some images.

Overall, I think the new 13" model is quite a leap in ability from my 2009 one, but not so much that I'm sad every time I use this one. It still worked as well as the day I bought it even before my recent RAM and hard drive upgrades.

I really don't understand people who feel their need to replace their computer every single year...
 
Hi i am from Turkey. And i am medical student in Turkey. I dont want to open new thread so i ask my question here.

I will buy my first macbook. I waited refresh for two months.

I use my macbook pro for:

Web browsing. Social networks. vs...
Read categorize my ebook(pdf, cdr, etc...)
Watch video (generally 720p) ( And i want to connect my tv 40"samsung to watch movie vs...)
Photo Editing, categorize vs... Photoshop CS5 and Adobe Lightroom ( I have a dslr machine and i take too much photos and i want to organize them.)
Microsoft office( I want to prepare word excell and ppt file)
I want to play little games like crazy birds, machinarum (flash based)


I am thinking to buy 1200 dolar macbook pro 13" is it enough for me?
 
NoDRaC said:
Hi i am from Turkey. And i am medical student in Turkey. I dont want to open new thread so i ask my question here.

I will buy my first macbook. I waited refresh for two months.

I use my macbook pro for:

Web browsing. Social networks. vs...
Read categorize my ebook(pdf, cdr, etc...)
Watch video (generally 720p) ( And i want to connect my tv 40"samsung to watch movie vs...)
Photo Editing, categorize vs... Photoshop CS5 and Adobe Lightroom ( I have a dslr machine and i take too much photos and i want to organize them.)
Microsoft office( I want to prepare word excell and ppt file)
I want to play little games like crazy birds, machinarum (flash based)


I am thinking to buy 1200 dolar macbook pro 13" is it enough for me?
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i have the same computer your looking at and it runs Photoshop perfectly.i havent played any games on it...but little flash games like you described would run just fine.....its an amazing computer.
 
I just ordered my 2011 MBP. I am slightly disappointed in the GPU however at the same time...I as well as someone else who posted on here, am upgrading from a 2007 Macbook...so I am happy either way.

I'm pretty sure that if they gave you the option to buy the 2010 or the 2011 model for the same price...you would all be choosing the 2011 model. Yes...if you have a 2010 model there would essentially be no point in upgrading. I know if I had the 2010 model I wouldn't bother upgrading to the 2011.

Earlier posts were making me regret the buy and made me want a MBA...but now other people have posted the downsides to a MBA and I can definently say that a MBP is far superior than a MBA. Higher resolution would be nice...and I don't really understand why they wouldn't upgrade but at the same time...as some people have said: It would invalidate the reason to even buy a MBA...OTHER than the fact that it is smaller/thinner.

In regards to the battery life...? I don't get wtf you guys are all bitching about. 7 hours is the max battery life of all the MacBooks. Look on their damn site. I think they changed the info on ALL of their batteries for ALL macbooks(including macbook air). **** says MBA battery life is 5 hours. Seriously..look.

Lastly...From what I've personally read on reviews of SSDs...they can randomly **** up and stop working...? Where as normal hard drives just slowly deteriorate over time. Yeah SDD is apparently god-like fast but at the same time they can randomly die on you. Also...SSDs are still overpriced as ****. Wait 1 year and they will drop and you can swap out the MBP harddrive for a SSD.
 
apple expects, that if you are buying a 13" then you dont need the extra gpu.

frankly, if you even cared about the gpu that much you should just buy the 15", otherwise whatever you do on a 13" will suffice with the integrated.
 
AdamRock said:
apple expects, that if you are buying a 13" then you dont need the extra gpu.

frankly, if you even cared about the gpu that much you should just buy the 15", otherwise whatever you do on a 13" will suffice with the integrated.
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Or it could be possible some one usually plugs the 13" into a monitor but wants the small size for travel.

In other words don't assume the size of computer = what you want to do with the computer. The size is relevant mostly for how portable you want it to be vs. how big of a screen you want it to have (when you plug it into a monitor at home a big size laptop is totally a disadvantage as you get a bigger screen than would ever be practical on a laptop so it only leaves how portable you need the computer to be a consideration).
 
AdamRock said:
apple expects, that if you are buying a 13" then you dont need the extra gpu.
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You don't know what you're talking about.

Up until now, Apple kept the CD2's in the MBP13 for the exact opposite reason (Graphics performance). The glorious leader even said as much himself.

It's still a 13.3" Macbook so what changed?

1.) Nvidia stopped making chipsets.
2.) Apple got their tit in the wringer.
3.) Apple could have done something about it but chose not to.

End of story.

(Apple "expects" indeed).
 
Off Topic question:

How much better is the 3000HD than my X3100 from 2-3 years ago
 
clindner said:
As for battery life, I have a 2010 model, and there's no way I can get 8-10 hours out of the battery unless it is sitting idle, with the screen blanked.

In *actual* use, I can get around 4 hours, assuming I'm not watching video or using any flash.

So, I really doubt that the battery life is downgraded in the new models.

If you don't like the 13" MBP, don't get one! As for me, it is the only model I'll use, because I like the power and the small size.
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Stop complaining about data sheet specs - test it in real life!
The 2010 model never ever had a 10 hour battery life in real world. One way to improve battery on all MacBooks is to avoid Flash. This is best accomplished by the Safari extension ClickToFlash
https://extensions.apple.com/#productivity
or the Firefox add-on NoScript
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/
 
Fast GPUs not required for enterprise productivity

KohPhiPhi said:
I wonder: what's the point of a super top-end processor that's surrounded by a gimp GPU, a gimp screen resolution and a gimp 5400 rpm hard drive? Yuuupiiii so now you got an 2011 processor but you're still accessing your data through a 2006-dated hard drive, to say nothing about viewing your work on a 2006-dated screen. Jesus Christ, this is supposed to be a $1000+ premium machine!!!

I mean it. Dont you reckon that's like buying a Ferrari and putting squared tires on it?
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One reason for a fast CPU and a standard GPU is office applications like MS Office 2011. Many people are only using a MBP for productivity reasons and not for gaming or video editing. A fast CPU, fast memory subsystem, fast SSD, 8GB RAM really help when you use virtual machines in Parallels, VirtualBox, or VMware Fusion. In the corporate world you often still require Windows because of Enterprise applications (which you run in a virtual machine). Fast GPUs are not required for this.
 
You guys do realise that Apple aren't in business for you, they're in business to make money right? And from a business point of view, they have done a great job. There is still something going for every computer they offer atm. Think and higher res screen for MBA, i5/i7 (i7 is awesome upgrade) for 13" MBP and the MBP 15" and 17" speak for themselves imo.

The only they could do better as far as I'm concerned is kill the 13" MBP altogether.

I also think that you should stop whining. Seriously, if you don't like it, don't give them your money, simple. There are other computers that will at least get whatever job you want done, done. I've been looking at a mac for the gf as she's started to get into graphics. The new 13" MBP is looking like a good entry level mac for her, and frankly I think that's what the 13" MBP is, an entry level mac.

An i7 8gig ram 13" with an SSD is going to be very nice for her. She's even already said, anything she'll need a higher res for, she'd rather use an external monitor with a much bigger screen anyway (which will eventually make thunderbolt a very cool thing for her to have - another good UPGRADE).

To all those waiting to upgrade to this 13" MBP. What were you waiting for? I'll assume you have an older 13" something in which case, you probably can still keep it if you don't like this one. (If you sold it, that was stupid). If you need something faster, and refuse to buy this, well buy elsewhere. If you're gonna buy it anyway, just buy it and send your constructive feedback to apple.

To me, the 15" is the compromise (I just brought a new one). I like a big screen but I want something at least semi portable. Even if the 13" was as fast and good as the 15", I'd get the 15 for the screen size (not resolution). I think you'll also find that most of the 13" users aren't power users. To them this is a good upgrade, or at least refresh.

Btw, I'm not one of the apple fan boys around. I happen to buy the 15" because I need one for audio and design stuff. It's still the best to handle that atm.
 
tigress666 said:
Or it could be possible some one usually plugs the 13" into a monitor but wants the small size for travel.

In other words don't assume the size of computer = what you want to do with the computer. The size is relevant mostly for how portable you want it to be vs. how big of a screen you want it to have (when you plug it into a monitor at home a big size laptop is totally a disadvantage as you get a bigger screen than would ever be practical on a laptop so it only leaves how portable you need the computer to be a consideration).
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+1

I completely agree, the 13's monitor is perfectly fine for on the go or websurfing/email and portability. But if you need the high quality monitor, its always better to use an external one anyways. Most professionals sit down on a desk, where they have an external monitor being the main workstation. That's what I would do, and there are many options. I don't see why complaining about it is better, at least you have an excuse to buy another monitor.

I am sure this issue of upgrading the resolution has been brought up in their meetings, the people who are running Apple love technology and only want the best things out but there has to be a balance in economics. Cost to produce, cost to sell, profit in between. Obviously, this release reflects that decision.

If I were Apple, I would wait until the redesign or maybe the final refresh for this line to move up in resolution. Besides, they need little selling points that highlight each lineup. For this particular one, its i5 processor and introduction of Thunderbolt give reasons to buy. Next one could be anti-glare option, higher screen resolution option/stock. They need to milk out the most they can and this is why business's like to take things slow. I wouldn't be surprised if they added touchscreen capability in their redesign.
 
I have been followed the rumours the past few months and I was looking forward to the mbp 13'' to enter the Apple world. Now I can't help but feel a bit disappointed, specially because of the gpu.

What would you guys do:
- buy the 2011 mbp 13'' low end
or
- buy the 2010 mbp 15'' low end when the price goes down (it's already at 1499)

I will use it for programming, playing a few games (not a hardcore gamer but I like to play a game every now and then, e.g. League of Legends) and normal use (web and office).

What would you do?
 
Kryex said:
I have been followed the rumours the past few months and I was looking forward to the mbp 13'' to enter the Apple world. Now I can't help but feel a bit disappointed, specially because of the gpu.

What would you guys do:
- buy the 2011 mbp 13'' low end
or
- buy the 2010 mbp 15'' low end when the price goes down (it's already at 1499)

I will use it for programming, playing a few games (not a hardcore gamer but I like to play a game every now and then, e.g. League of Legends) and normal use (web and office).

What would you do?
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The 2010 MBP 15" refurb is a great deal now. I'm waiting to see how low the high end 2011 15" MBP goes once it hits the refurb store in a few months.

Cheers,
 
Kryex said:
I have been followed the rumours the past few months and I was looking forward to the mbp 13'' to enter the Apple world. Now I can't help but feel a bit disappointed, specially because of the gpu.

What would you guys do:
- buy the 2011 mbp 13'' low end
or
- buy the 2010 mbp 15'' low end when the price goes down (it's already at 1499)

I will use it for programming, playing a few games (not a hardcore gamer but I like to play a game every now and then, e.g. League of Legends) and normal use (web and office).

What would you do?
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I would buy the 2011 15 inch in the summer with the back to school promotion and student discount
 
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