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The new mbp - Apple is losing it

King Shady said:
I'm with you there. I was actually hyped for this announcement thinking I'd upgrade from my 2012 rMBP, but it's simply not worth the investment. Mine still performs beautifully.
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I agree. My mid-2012 rMBP is still my perfect go-to system. The only thing I'd change is the SSD. The PCIe SSD is noticeably faster than SATA, but what the heck. I've had both in different systems, and to save 3 large, I can live with it.

This is like the iPhone7. I have an iPhone6+. There's nothing in the iPhone7 that would make me want to switch. I'm happy with what I have.

Shame on Apple for building products that actually last.
 
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Savor said:
Microsoft is calling...

See, Apple can do stuff like this in the mobile industry. They don't have as much of an influence in the computers if they are behind companies like Lenovo, HP, and Dell. Less PC users are willing to adopt to their subtractions.
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Main issue with Windows PC hardware is the trackpad, these companies just refuse to put an expensive sensor and write some drivers, instead they take some off the shelf Synaptics solutions which is garbage. I'm currently writing this from a Windows PC that I was hoping to replace with a MBP :(
 
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catportal said:
Main issue with Windows PC hardware is the trackpad, these companies just refuse to put an expensive sensor and write some drivers, instead they take some off the shelf Synaptics solutions which is garbage. I'm currently writing this from a Windows PC that I was hoping to replace with a MBP :(
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Only thing that kills me about my XPS. Absolutely garbage, jumpy, oil/smudge attracting terrible trackpad.
 
I also find the lack of thunderbolt 2 disturbing.

Only 3 years ago they sold MacPros with tons of those.

With firewire they at least had the decency to include a legacy port on the 2012 mbp.

And most devices are still either tb or usb ...
 
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Apple is so kind to list out all the adaptors we need in a single slide, no need to think, won't miss anything, just pay for them and the MacBook Pro is good to go :D

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Meister said:
I also find the lack of thunderbolt 2 disturbing.

Only 3 years ago they sold MacPros with tons of those.

With firewire they at least had the decency to include a legacy port on the 2012 mbp.

And most devices are still either tb or usb ...
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But the new MacBook Pros have ThunderBolt 3. Isn't that supposed to be better?o_O Or is TB3 not backwards compatible with TB2?
 
vipergts2207 said:
OP, you forgot one. Apple went with DDR3 instead of DDR4 across the new lineup, even the high-end 15" model. Used to be that with Apple you paid more, but got top of the line hardware. I guess not now.
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That ended when Apple decided to go with AMD while NVidia gpus were clearly better only because AMD is financially in trouble and gives their stuff away for deep discounts
 
Meister said:
I also find the lack of thunderbolt 2 disturbing.

Only 3 years ago they sold MacPros with tons of those.

With firewire they at least had the decency to include a legacy port on the 2012 mbp.

And most devices are still either tb or usb ...
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There's the rub that the many fanboys savouring this masochistic upgrade ignore: Apple did NOT always thrust ONLY the next gen ports - interface onto everyone. As with every single other computer maker, they would linger with legacy ports that by then barely cost them anything to add, sometimes for several generations, knowing that people would gradually get used to just using the new ports. That's how you do it.

Yanking all slots and ports away to leave one kind whose compatible drives - portable drives - accessories are barely, only just barely, starting to become available (at sky-high early adopter prices) is arrogant, aggressive, even classist for Apple (the very rich will love the much higher prices and need for high priced accessories), it boggles the mind. On what planet would this strategy lead to a renewed dominance of the pro laptop market?

I know a pretty large amount of creative people, musicians, designers, photographers, writers, filmmakers, who have hung onto by now quite old Macbook Pros and believe me, none of them will see these new ones as anything other than an April Fool's joke. I'm still rubbing my eyes -- how can it be? I so wanted to buy the next gen.

Maybe in two years, or somehow sooner if competitively priced compatible drives explode in usage, this machine could sell without dongles. Right now I'd say it has "bomb" written all over it.
 
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The only way to force USB-C into mass adoption was to do something like this. Honestly, it's the first port Apple / Intel try to push that actually has a high chance to become an ubiquitous future-proof industry standard (neither USB or miniDP were suitable). And yes, Apple is the only manufacture that can afford doing it at a cost of user convenience.

That major inconvenience is actually a reason why the forced adoption may work, because none of the accessory making company will ignore such an opportunity.

As I said before, I'd hate to have to buy a new rMBP during the transition phase. But on the other hand, there're finally single adapters with combination of USB-A, HDMI, Ethernet, VGA and DVI that all work through a single USB-C port. That's actually even better than having 2-3 separate miniDP dongles
 
Apple could have easily integrated Magsafe + usb-C.
Maybe the focus groups at Apple think everyone works in a beautiful office, standing desks with wire trays, etc.
 
monstruo said:
Apple could have easily integrated Magsafe + usb-C.
Maybe the focus groups at Apple think everyone works in a beautiful office, standing desks with wire trays, etc.
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You can always buy Breaksafe cable if you want. The compromise of having universal ports is obvious, I'd rather have 4x TB3 than 3x TB3 and a magsafe.

And you'll no longer have to rely of Apple's mediocre cables that don't last in their power adapters. That USB-C brick is much more reliable and you're free to use any USB-C cable you want (including BreakSafe cable from Griffin)
 
maratus said:
You can always buy Breaksafe cable if you want. The compromise of having universal ports is obvious, I'd rather have 4x TB3 than 3x TB3 and a magsafe.

And you'll no longer have to rely of Apple's mediocre cables that don't last in their power adapters. That USB-C brick is much more reliable and you're free to use any USB-C cable you want (including BreakSafe cable from Griffin)
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Well, pardon me. What I meant wasn't magsafe + 3 usbC...
I meant that apple could have came out with a USB-C magsafe version. I'm sure their engineers have the expertise to do so.
 
myscrnnm said:
I don't think your laptop is going to be destroyed just because it doesn't have MagSafe. Most notebooks don't have magnetic power connectors, and they've been perfectly fine for doing so. Yes, I agree that MagSafe was very innovative, and I would have liked to see Apple someone implement it with the USB-C connector. But I have never found it to benefit me, and it certainly shouldn't be a deal breaker.
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I've smashed an iBook because it didn't have Magsafe. I can't count the number of times Magsafe has saved my laptop
 
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monstruo said:
Well, pardon me. What I meant wasn't magsafe + 3 usbC...
I meant that apple could have came out with a USB-C magsafe version. I'm sure their engineers have the expertise to do so.
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The whole point was to comply with the standard USB-C connector. MagSafe only makes sense when there's no strong mechanical connection, and USB-C is tight by default. Making it loose by modifying cable connector could be possible but may not be enough to disconnect reliably when pulled from all directions.

Overall, Griffin's solutions is a lot better and cleaner (and works with Windows laptops / tablets too haha)
 
maratus said:
The only way to force USB-C into mass adoption was to do something like this. Honestly, it's the first port Apple / Intel try to push that actually has a high chance to become an ubiquitous future-proof industry standard (neither USB or miniDP were suitable). And yes, Apple is the only manufacture that can afford doing it at a cost of user convenience.

That major inconvenience is actually a reason why the forced adoption may work, because none of the accessory making company will ignore such an opportunity.

As I said before, I'd hate to have to buy a new rMBP during the transition phase. But on the other hand, there're finally single adapters with combination of USB-A, HDMI, Ethernet, VGA and DVI that all work through a single USB-C port. That's actually even better than having 2-3 separate miniDP dongles
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Yupiiiee! Only one adapter in stead of three....You gotta be kidding me ...

And it's not just the massive issue with basically removing all useful ports:
The 13" version is now underpowered and overpriced.
But it has a weird touch strip for emojis...What the **** is going on here?
 
waxonwaxoff said:
I am in Canada and the top end 15" is now $3499.... For years I have been regularly updating my MBP selling on my old one and paying a bit more for the new model, the price point remained relatively consistant. Don't quote me on this but I think I am now paying $600 more for the top tier 15" than the previous model was being sold at earlier today.

the Touchbar looks neat, move to usb c is fine also, if you forget the fact I would need to spend hundreds more for adapters. On the whole I think its a nice update... However;

Dropping the magsafe is a truly dumb move.... like beyond retarded to a whole new level of mental ineptitude. God knows how many times my kids have snuck into my office almost tripped on my MBP power cord and I have thanked Apple for Magsafe because the power cord pops out my kids don't faceplate and my very expensive laptop doesn't faceplate either.

Phil might present the new MBP as the evolution and pinnacle of the laptop and apart from dropping the magsafe they are all nice improvements but nothing screams "gotta have it" to me and especially when I am paying so much more.

It's a shame
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you do understand there are magnetic usb-c cables right?
These posts keep popping up and i know it sucks its not on the machine but there are options if you want it. There will be much more coming soon too.
the ability to charge on either side of the laptop is huge for me. The left side has always been problem and has caused my cable to fray over time getting rubbed on the sides too much being my charger is on the right side of my bed.
 
Some people here don't seem to realise that mag safe style USB-C adapters are available. Wouldn't have been difficult for Apple to have done the same.
 
Meister said:
No usb, no hdmi, no sd card reader, no thunderbolt 2/1 and no magsafe.

I understood where they were going with one usb-c port on the new macbook but on the pro-lineup this is downright offensive.
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Yes what about their piece of **** Iphon7 Plus. I have to 3 months to get that piece of **** mother ****ing phone...
 
dlewis23 said:
So you want Apple to put 2 different power ports on one laptop?
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Stop countering just for countering sake. Nobody is asking Apple to give two ports with same functionality. They bloody well could have devised Magsafe into one USB-C for charging. Something could have been done that does not kill one of the core things in a Mac experience they so laughably talk about as upholding still.
 
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