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The Official Battlestar Galactica Thread : SPOILERS
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bluebomberman
macrumors 6502a
BSG is back!!! (Makes up for the Yankees getting the tar beaten out of them.)
Some of the best two hours ever spent. Wow.
Some of the best two hours ever spent. Wow.
IlluminatedSage
macrumors 68000
this was a crazy episode. wow.
can't wait to see more of this season!!
really wish it was in HDTV, like on universal HD network. scifi is a universal network. so..
can't wait to see more of this season!!
really wish it was in HDTV, like on universal HD network. scifi is a universal network. so..
leekohler
macrumors G5
Holy crap! That was one of the most amazing things I've seen on TV ever. So weird! It's almost as if the Cylons want to reconcile, but don't have the first clue how to go about it. Of course, I'm not sure they really want that to happen. This show always throws you a curveball.The Starbuck/baby thing was messed up. BTW- a good review from the Sun-Times: http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/television/85930,CST-FTR-battle06.article
I am beyond impressed. Way to go Ron Moore and co.
I am beyond impressed. Way to go Ron Moore and co.
HydroMan
macrumors 6502
Wow, totally impressed by the double episodes, so far so good, agree with leekohler about the Starbuck/daughter story-line, loved the graphic nature of the episodes, very dark and doom laden with just a glimmer of hope. Literally can't wait for the next episode, how long is Apollo going to be carrying all that extra baggage, blah blah blah, so many questions 🙂
xPismo
macrumors 6502a
Do a little dance..... make a little coffee... watch BSG today!
I can't wait!!!
Ok, just finished it and I'm torn. I'm having a real hard time accecpting the role of the Cylon. A race born from persecution at the hands of humans go off and build up an army, go to war and win the war in a single action. Yet while they are snuffing out the remainder of resistance pockets... decide to reconcile and be buddies again.
So they follow a 6's directions and find the BSG fleet calling it quits on New Caprica - and instead of integrating them into some type of Cylon system... they adopt all the Human forms of society / social connection / and transport?!
The big cliffhanger ending of E02 was really annoying. The writers just decided to copy The Great Escape verbatim. Including the WWII transport trucks!! I've seen that movie thanks.
I desperately want to like this series, but BSG needs to be more of a space show, and I'm not finding enough to satisfy me.... so far.
I can't wait!!!
Ok, just finished it and I'm torn. I'm having a real hard time accecpting the role of the Cylon. A race born from persecution at the hands of humans go off and build up an army, go to war and win the war in a single action. Yet while they are snuffing out the remainder of resistance pockets... decide to reconcile and be buddies again.
So they follow a 6's directions and find the BSG fleet calling it quits on New Caprica - and instead of integrating them into some type of Cylon system... they adopt all the Human forms of society / social connection / and transport?!
The big cliffhanger ending of E02 was really annoying. The writers just decided to copy The Great Escape verbatim. Including the WWII transport trucks!! I've seen that movie thanks.
I desperately want to like this series, but BSG needs to be more of a space show, and I'm not finding enough to satisfy me.... so far.
zflauaus said:
I think perhaps you meant that this was one of the best 2 hours you have spent because you are only 15. 😛 😉 Trust me, although I love the series too, there's much better things out there in the world to experience than a TV show. 😉 😀
That being said, all I can say is wow. If anyone had any doubts about how Season 3 would turn out, I'd like to know how they feel now after watching these first 2 episodes! 😉 If they are any indication of how the rest of the season is going to be, it's gonna be an amazing one. 😎
maconservative
macrumors regular
Hey, I can't experience better things out there without a driver's licence, or permit, which I get next semester.~Shard~ said:
atszyman
macrumors 68020
leekohler said:
Anyone else think the following? (in white so no one has to read my crackpot theories and claim I ruined anything for them).
Starbuck's baby is neither Starbuck's nor part human. If the Cylons managed to create a human/Cylon hybrid there's no reason to search for Hera (Shannon and Helo's baby probably misspelled). Instead the Cylons created a child Cylon to dupe Starbuck (possibly even one of the 12 models).
jalagl
macrumors 6502a
I just finished watching the torrent'd episode, and all I can say is WOW...
My thoughts: (spoilers, in white...)
I just wonder what happens at the end - the previews showed Laura Roslin, but she was with "that" group of people at the end... I think the outcome of that is going to be a surprise for everyone.
Also, why is it really that the cylon wants Kara to fall in love with him? Seems like all cylons that fall in love break with the main cylon line of thought.
I think that watching the webisodes really help you understand some of the secondary characters, like the guy who blows himself up, or the guy that joined the security forces and helped Cally at the end.
The other thing is that I think that they are drawing too many obvious parallels to the current situation in the world (Iraq occupation, human rights, torture, etc). I don't think that's bad, though.
My thoughts: (spoilers, in white...)
I just wonder what happens at the end - the previews showed Laura Roslin, but she was with "that" group of people at the end... I think the outcome of that is going to be a surprise for everyone.
Also, why is it really that the cylon wants Kara to fall in love with him? Seems like all cylons that fall in love break with the main cylon line of thought.
I think that watching the webisodes really help you understand some of the secondary characters, like the guy who blows himself up, or the guy that joined the security forces and helped Cally at the end.
The other thing is that I think that they are drawing too many obvious parallels to the current situation in the world (Iraq occupation, human rights, torture, etc). I don't think that's bad, though.
Abulia
macrumors 68000
Ya think!? 🙄jalagl said:
I watched it three other die-hard BSG friends. We were less than impressed with the finale and 2.5 but hey, its BSG. How bad can it get?
We all thought it was two hours of craptacular television.
I mean, seriously, that has to be some of the worst writing I've seen in a long time. I'm in shock that you guys liked it. 😕
I'd go into more detail but I'm heading to bed; starting a rant now will keep me up for hours. 😀
Abulia said:
Ah well, the writers can't make every fan of the series happy. Some will love it, some will not like it, some will despise it - it's simply the way it is. I watched the premiere with 2 die-hard BSG fans as well and we all loved it, so there's proof right there. 🙂 That being said, I agree, the dialogue wasn't as sharp as I've come to expect in certain parts, but I didn't think it was anything major. Regardless, I can't say I'm surprised by your reaction - you commented that Season 3 would be weak before the premiere episodes even aired, so to me, that's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. 😛 😉
I'm still getting used to this change of scenery and such as well, but I think it's going to be ultimately good for the series. Getting chased through space by the Cylons while trying to find Earth gets a bit old week after week, so it's nice to see the writers taking some risks and not playing it safe. 😎 And now, as a result, we have a whole new set of unanswered questions and topics to speculate on and ponder. There are very few shows out there these days which do that and make you think by drawing you into the drama and characters in this manner, so it's nice to see BSG doing that very thing. 😎
So, a two-parter starting next week, huh? Looking forward to it...
bluebomberman
macrumors 6502a
Abulia said:
To each his or her own, I guess. But if you weren't impressed with the Season 2 finale, then I don't see how the Season 3 premiere could possibly impress you. The "One Year Later" setting really upset the status quo, and they can't possibly get back to "normal" until they all get back in space.
Just watching Apollo was enough to make me geek out...
joepunk
macrumors 68030
Here's a thought that has been building up for a while. What if we, Earthlings, are the decedents of the human/cylon hybrid babies/children?
That could explain why we have our humanity, our good side and our ruthless, cruel side to our nature. We are a combination of the two.
Also, I think that Starbuck's child is flawed. It has only been a few years since she was in those breeding camps. The Cylons could have manipulated the child's growth rate but in the end failed. The child did not fall down the stairs but collapsed due to a flaw.
So, start discussing and nitpicking away at my ideas.
That could explain why we have our humanity, our good side and our ruthless, cruel side to our nature. We are a combination of the two.
Also, I think that Starbuck's child is flawed. It has only been a few years since she was in those breeding camps. The Cylons could have manipulated the child's growth rate but in the end failed. The child did not fall down the stairs but collapsed due to a flaw.
So, start discussing and nitpicking away at my ideas.
Abulia
macrumors 68000
I presume everyone noticed that the title sequence made no mention of the journey to Earth.
There's "upsetting the status quo" and then there's jumping the shark. BSG is getting dangerously close to the latter.
I mean, it's like the writers farmed it out to random people to write. "Okay, how many thinly-veiled Iraqi references can we make?"
"Let's have a sequence where the suicide bomber prays for guidance to some very Arabic-like music?"
"Done!"
"Hey, let's not just limit ourselves to mimmicing one aspect of war, let's get the Nazis too!"
"Great idea! What about a police force where they dress up like the SS? We can even make them have their own leadership, like the Gestapo!"
"Awesome! Just to complete the theft, let's give him an overcoat and a wide-brimmed hat..."
"Wait, they have those on a worn-torn settlement that's only been in existence for a year?"
"Hell yea! The same way they have hair gell every week. This is SCIENCE FICTION...we don't have to explain anything!"
"Oh, okay. In that case, let's rip off the ending of 'The Great Escape' -- I love that movie. You know the part where they get the prisoners out to 'stretch their legs' and then gun them down?"
"Man, this is great stuff. Wonder if any of the fans will notice?"
"Oh hell no! We're still flying high from that first season! We can do no wrong. We're the Joss Wheatons of television right now..."
"Guys? Seriously? You remember how that ended..."
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There's "upsetting the status quo" and then there's jumping the shark. BSG is getting dangerously close to the latter.
I mean, it's like the writers farmed it out to random people to write. "Okay, how many thinly-veiled Iraqi references can we make?"
"Let's have a sequence where the suicide bomber prays for guidance to some very Arabic-like music?"
"Done!"
"Hey, let's not just limit ourselves to mimmicing one aspect of war, let's get the Nazis too!"
"Great idea! What about a police force where they dress up like the SS? We can even make them have their own leadership, like the Gestapo!"
"Awesome! Just to complete the theft, let's give him an overcoat and a wide-brimmed hat..."
"Wait, they have those on a worn-torn settlement that's only been in existence for a year?"
"Hell yea! The same way they have hair gell every week. This is SCIENCE FICTION...we don't have to explain anything!"
"Oh, okay. In that case, let's rip off the ending of 'The Great Escape' -- I love that movie. You know the part where they get the prisoners out to 'stretch their legs' and then gun them down?"
"Man, this is great stuff. Wonder if any of the fans will notice?"
"Oh hell no! We're still flying high from that first season! We can do no wrong. We're the Joss Wheatons of television right now..."
"Guys? Seriously? You remember how that ended..."
😀
Marble
macrumors 6502a
I think BSG has been a little diluted since they moved to 22 eps, and I agree with the above about the references being a little strong (if they wanted to parallel these things, at least make the parallel mean something! part of the point is that the cylons are not Nazis, that they are confused about their relationship with the humans). Much of ep.1 was exposition, and in voiceover at that! Still, I think the show stands for a great deal that matters, not the least of which is showing that sci-fi can be done very, very right.
HydroMan
macrumors 6502
Too right about that, as for the Iraq/Nazi similarities, I'm ok with that, it was an easy option and they took it, only the suicide bombings made for slightly uncomfortable viewing, it's like you say 22 episodes but you have to fill them with something, hopefully this isn't going to be repeated in further episodes too much and they get back in space soon.Marble said:
That would be dependant on whether BSG is set in our distant past, but then what about the 13th tribe they left long before the Cylons existed (I think)joepunk said:
I think she was pushed.joepunk said:
BearRanger
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The beauty of these episodes is that they raise so many questions, and very purposefully fail to answer any of them. That exercise is left to the viewer.
I am so sick of people bringing up Iraq. Yes, there's relevance. But it's the same relevance that would be raised in *any* war. And isn't that the point? Faced with annihilation as a species/culture/people, how far would you go to survive? What would you be willing to do to hurt your (supposed) enemies? And what does this say about *you*?
As for drawing from earlier source material, at least the writers have chosen good sources. "The Great Escape" scene is spot on, but the result will likely not be the same. Gaeda knew; can he get a rescue attempt in place in time?
As for the Cylons, not only are they looking for a new relationship with the humans, they're looking for a new relationship with god. If they were created by man, why isn't man, flaws and all, considered to be their god? Is their some sort of machine clarity that humans are unable to acheive? What does it mean when we invoke the love of god when we commit the atrocities we've seen, from both sides?
Finally (for now) Starbuck. The kid isn't hers, as it's *way* too old. Leoben likely pushed it down the stairs to manipulate Kara. And she's manipulating him, by letting him believe she's buying it. In fact, there's a whole lot of manipulating going on. You did notice the religious Cylon's conversation with Ellen Tigh? The whole resistance has been shaped by factions within the Cylon leadership.
I for one can't wait to see where things are going.
I am so sick of people bringing up Iraq. Yes, there's relevance. But it's the same relevance that would be raised in *any* war. And isn't that the point? Faced with annihilation as a species/culture/people, how far would you go to survive? What would you be willing to do to hurt your (supposed) enemies? And what does this say about *you*?
As for drawing from earlier source material, at least the writers have chosen good sources. "The Great Escape" scene is spot on, but the result will likely not be the same. Gaeda knew; can he get a rescue attempt in place in time?
As for the Cylons, not only are they looking for a new relationship with the humans, they're looking for a new relationship with god. If they were created by man, why isn't man, flaws and all, considered to be their god? Is their some sort of machine clarity that humans are unable to acheive? What does it mean when we invoke the love of god when we commit the atrocities we've seen, from both sides?
Finally (for now) Starbuck. The kid isn't hers, as it's *way* too old. Leoben likely pushed it down the stairs to manipulate Kara. And she's manipulating him, by letting him believe she's buying it. In fact, there's a whole lot of manipulating going on. You did notice the religious Cylon's conversation with Ellen Tigh? The whole resistance has been shaped by factions within the Cylon leadership.
I for one can't wait to see where things are going.
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