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I sometimes think they see us as still living in some sort of cross between Agatha Christie and Jane Austen, only with more tea.
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I sometimes think they see us as still living in some sort of cross between Agatha Christie and Jane Austen, only with more tea.
Stephen Fry's about to make an appearance on one of Sky's US imports. The trailer has him pouring tea and the bloke who was Angel in Buffy saying something along the lines of "You're sooo English!'.
Actually, one thing that I've just realised following on from our discussion of the Cult's previous encounter with the Doctor...
In Doomsday, the Daleks realise that Rose recognises the Doctor because her heart rate increases when she sees him on the screen. It's clear therefore that the Daleks can monitor other species life signs, certainly their heart rates yet none of them twig that one of their prisoners has two of the things and a body temperature less than half that of any healthy human?
Standards have dropped since they decided to become half-human.
first post in this disussion but have followed it!
enjoyed the episode on Sat - some great Dr Who moments - like the Darlek quietly moving in the tunnels and the Doc hiding in the darkness!
Not too happy about the evolution thing tho - I presume it wont come to much so we still have the good old tin darleks! Didnt think the humandarlek looked particularly good.....
enjoyed the episode on Sat - some great Dr Who moments - like the Darlek quietly moving in the tunnels and the Doc hiding in the darkness!
Not too happy about the evolution thing tho - I presume it wont come to much so we still have the good old tin darleks! Didnt think the humandarlek looked particularly good.....
No discussion here. Quite telling maybe. I didn't take to the last episode. I found it disappointing compared to part one and certainly not what I've come to expect from Dalek storylines.
And maybe this is just me projecting something out of my own psyche onto it, but all this talk of "pig-slaves" and Dalek-Sek being made to crawl on hands and knees with a collar round his neck. Did anyone else think that was a little S&M?
And maybe this is just me projecting something out of my own psyche onto it, but all this talk of "pig-slaves" and Dalek-Sek being made to crawl on hands and knees with a collar round his neck. Did anyone else think that was a little S&M?
A bit to obvious for me - as suggested in previous post, i didnt see the evolution working out. Fully expected the other darleks to be unhappy!
It was pretty easy to kill the human darleks, but the last darlek waited till they had destroyed the other 2 before killing them off... unless i missed something.
Still, on the whole I enjoyed it! One darlek left, one timelord left (although he is 'not alone'). Ready for a final showdown? My guess is it will look like it but they wont get rid of the darleks - always a way back for them.....
It was pretty easy to kill the human darleks, but the last darlek waited till they had destroyed the other 2 before killing them off... unless i missed something.
Still, on the whole I enjoyed it! One darlek left, one timelord left (although he is 'not alone'). Ready for a final showdown? My guess is it will look like it but they wont get rid of the darleks - always a way back for them.....
No. I spotted that myself. Even turned to my partner and asked "Why didn't he do that before they blew the other two up then?". There were also too many times when the Daleks could have just shot the Doctor there and then, and the Dalek escaped using the "Emergency Temporal Shift" again!! I just felt it was too easily wrapped up.
I agree with the general sentiments here. I found the human-Dalek concept interesting, yet somewhat artificial. I feel as though no matter how desperate the situation would be, the Daleks simply wouldn't even consider this as an option - its too sacrilege. Mind you, the Daleks from the end of the CE season weren't "pure" either, were they? Hmmm... Regardless, I found the human-Dalek to be too weak (after all, he was part human! ) and not an impressive enough creature to warrant further development.
In general, it reminded of me what they did to the Borg on ST:TNG. They used to be the coolest villain on the show and then they had to go change them, give them identities, make them more human and well, it just spoiled the whole thing.
I also wondered why they didn't just shut all the humans down as well when they turned... I also wondered how exactly the whole "Timelord DNA" thing worked. I though that all the genetic decisions (splicing of Dalek genes, human genes, how much of each were being used, etc.) was all done in the lab, and I thought that the flare, lightning strike, Dalekanium, etc. was simply for the immense amount of power required. If that was the case then how does Timelord DNA get transmitted to each of the humans through the power?
Lastly, yes, the temporal shift seems a little too deus ex machina for my liking...
All that being said, I did enjoy the 2-parter - I just found the above parts a little awkward. All in all though I've been quite happy with the season so far, as I've found every episode pretty solid.
Mind you, the Daleks from the end of the CE season weren't "pure" either, were they? Hmmm... Regardless, I found the human-Dalek to be too weak (after all, he was part human! ) and not an impressive enough creature to warrant further development.In general, it reminded of me what they did to the Borg on ST:TNG. They used to be the coolest villain on the show and then they had to go change them, give them identities, make them more human and well, it just spoiled the whole thing.
I also wondered why they didn't just shut all the humans down as well when they turned... I also wondered how exactly the whole "Timelord DNA" thing worked. I though that all the genetic decisions (splicing of Dalek genes, human genes, how much of each were being used, etc.) was all done in the lab, and I thought that the flare, lightning strike, Dalekanium, etc. was simply for the immense amount of power required. If that was the case then how does Timelord DNA get transmitted to each of the humans through the power?
Lastly, yes, the temporal shift seems a little too deus ex machina for my liking...
All that being said, I did enjoy the 2-parter - I just found the above parts a little awkward. All in all though I've been quite happy with the season so far, as I've found every episode pretty solid.
I missed this in my above post and wanted to comment on it as well. Yeah, I agree, I found this a bit far-fetched as well. Daleks kill and destroy, it's what they are programmed to do, so why would there be any hesitation whatsoever when it comes to their greatest enemy?
He's the last of the Timelords, exterminate him already while you have the chance! Further to this, I have a hard time believing the Doctor could be as compassionate as he was towards the Daleks. Yes, he is not evil and not a monster, but they're the Daleks, come on! Why not just wipe them out? And yes, I remember Genesis of the Daleks when Tom Baker has the chance to stop the Daleks from ever being created and does "the right thing" in letting them live, but that was before the Daleks wiped out his entire race - one would think he would harbor a little more resentment towards them now then he did back then. The Doctor does stand for what is right and just, and morality is always at the forefront, but come on - everyone has their breaking point - I would have thought the Doctor has hit his by now as far as the Daleks are concerned. After all, in Dalek, CE was more than willing (and even anxious!) to find a weapon and destroy what he believed was the last Dalek without any hesitation - Rose was the one who stopped him. Why not the same feelings of hatred this time? Why did the Doctor help them out so much and not do more to stop them?
Anywho, there are my ramblings on the subject...
That's it. At least when Christopher Eccleston did it the Daleks immediately attacked, only to be met with Captain Jack's/the TARDIS's force field. This time round I was just reminded of this scene
Same here* it didn't pan out as well as I'd have liked. It had some good moments I liked the Daleks looking over their shoulders when conspiring in the sewers, for example but it wasn't up to the standards of what we've seen so far this season. Not an especially poor episode, and I will say that I enjoyed it but it's not one thats going to go down as a classic.
There was some rather dodgy science stuff going on too which didn't help matters the lightning transferring the Doctors DNA, what was that all about? Plus, if the Daleks were trying to harness a solar flare, why did they build their masty thing on top of a building where it was night when the flare hit the Earth they surely should have been on the other side of the planet?
And I dont know either why the Daleks didnt exterminate the Doctor when they had the opportunity especially Caan right at the end. If I was a squidgy Dalek fella and I had the choice of either teleporting out of there or zapping the ultimate enemy of my race, it seems like a bit of a no-brainer. He obviously had enough power to do so, given that he had enough power to temporal-transport.
Yeah, as I mentioned above, I think that was the part I had the most problems with, at least from a scientufic point of view...
Good one, never really thought of that...
Exactly - the end is a perfect example with Caan, as you say. Just shoot him already!
And yes, I realize this has happened throughout the many years of Doctor Who in practically all the Dalek storylines - the Doctor is always in front of the Daleks at some point where they could easily exterminate him, but they don't. But it just seemed a bit overdone this episode, that's all...
Except, of course, they opened fire immediately on Eccleston when he had a force field around him.
This isn't exactly my thoughts on the episode, but I slapped this together with my rough thoughts in mind...
Except, of course, they opened fire immediately on Eccleston when he had a force field around him.
This is true!
I'm so glad this thread is still running, but I'm so done with this show...
It was a great idea, to bring back the Doctor, but it's way too "family" for my liking...
It was a great idea, to bring back the Doctor, but it's way too "family" for my liking...
Yeah, I know what you mean. I made similar types of comments way back in this thread, mentioning how I still prefer the classic series as opposed to this one. Maybe part of it has to do with the fact, as dynamicv alluded to, that I was younger when I was initially watching the classic series which could skew my perception, but the older episodes, even with their cheesy sets, special effects and all that, seemed to have a more serious feel to them for me less family-oriented. Even when I watch them again now. Perhaps part of it was the serial format of the show as well. Having 4- or 6-part episodes (sometimes even more!) added an extra element to the adventures as well, giving it more of that epic feeling and added suspense. (Granted, many of the older serials did drag on at times...) With the exception of the odd 2-parter we get now with the new series, the stories dont seem to have as much depth to them since they have to take place in a 45 minute slot and the ones that do, seem to be rushed or incomplete, as certain story arcs arent able to be touched on and explored to the depth the deserve. And I am speaking in general of course there have been many gems in the new series, dont get me wrong.
I enjoy the new series as a whole and am impressed with Season 3 so far (I was expecting much weaker episodes to be honest) but in the end, it just isnt the same as Pertwee and The Master going head to head week after week, or Tom Bakers epic quest for the Key of Time, the e-space trilogy and all that good stuff.
Now all that being said, the one thing I do really enjoy with the new series is that even though it does seem lighter on the whole, and geared more towards kids/families, I really like that they have made the Doctor a little more darker at times. Im eager to find out more about the Time War and the whole angle that he is one of the last of the Timelords.
But then again, when it comes to darker story arcs and plots of this nature, I then compare Doctor Who (rightly or wrongly, probably wrongly...) to a show like Battlestar Galactica and there is simply no comparison. BSG truly makes Doctor Who look like a family show, as you say.
It's all good though. Once a Whovian, always a Whovian, and I will never abandon this great institution.
At least the body count has risen, in Sylvester McCoys tenure I was totally put off Doctor Who with the very PC presentation. But I do tend to agree with you somewhat, oh and thanks for starting this thread, because of you I downloaded the "leaked" first episode and re-aquainted my self with the phenomenon Doctor Who. Cheers hob. I think I'll stick with it.
~Shard~ I totally agree with you about the comparison between Doctor Who and BSG and I'll stick with that show too even though I threw a bit of a wobbly at the end of series "cliff hanger".
~Shard~ I totally agree with you about the comparison between Doctor Who and BSG and I'll stick with that show too even though I threw a bit of a wobbly at the end of series "cliff hanger".
Yeah, I preferred Season 1 and 2 myself and found Season 3 to be a bit too "soap opera-y" for my liking, but it is still an amazing show. I think it will be time to end it soon though. Definitely looking forward to Season 4 next year and the movie later this year as well!
Ditto! high expectations from my part being the main reason and not wanting it to turn into Galactica 1980!!
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Really, will that be aired on Sci-Fi or Cinema or straight to DVD, I haven't been able to keep up with events on Mac Rumors (the world even) due to work commitments (Boooo!) (the same goes for commenting on Doctor Who, I'd like to but haven't had enough time of late. Quick comment on the two parter, at one point I wanted Dalek Sek's plan to go through with the aid of the Doctor finding a new planet in the hope that the true Dalek disposition would come to the fore in the [near] future, [sigh] alas they [Beeb] opted for the "emergency temporal transport"[Pah!] and only one Dalek left [allegedly] in the Universe. Long live the Daleks![and Cybermen] also the transference of the Doctors DNA was pants!)
Yeah, I think my expectations were a little too high as well, but dammit they set the bar so high! Ah well, in my books Season 1 and 2 of BSG were 13/10s while Season was "only" a 10/10.
I believe it is to be aired on Sci-Fi and then released on DVD the next day. It is actually classified as the first two episodes of Season 4, however they take place in the past with the Pegasus. Anyway, that's discussion for another thread!
Yeah, that was a bit of a cop-out. Again, why didn't Dalek Caan just shoot him?!
And yes, I totally don't get the Timelord DNA bit - all the genetics, from my understanding, was done in the "lab" and the whole purpose of the spire/solar flare/lightning strike was for the immense amount of power required. Bah...
Yeah, I think my expectations were a little too high as well, but dammit they set the bar so high! Ah well, in my books Season 1 and 2 of BSG were 13/10s while Season was "only" a 10/10.
How true.
I believe it is to be aired on Sci-Fi and then released on DVD the next day. It is actually classified as the first two episodes of Season 4, however they take place in the past with the Pegasus. Anyway, that's discussion for another thread!
Hmmm, how strange, I like the Pegasus aspect though, thanks for the info. Agreed, will (time permitting) do. Sometimes it's daunting replying to someone's post when you know they have far more insight to what's happened than I (chewing gum for the mind) have
.Yeah, that was a bit of a cop-out. Again, why didn't Dalek Caan just shoot him?!
Too easy for Caan to shoot him, If Caan had they (RTD?) would have had to come up with some even more outlandish "cop-out", sometimes I'd like the "baddies to have a slightly more convincing percentage of the "Mexican stand-off" and make the Doctor not look so all knowing/unconquerable and show the new viewer that he's not perfect and quite weak at times (that's the impression I got when I was a kid in the Tom Baker era) and everyone makes mistakes, even the experts.
Next weeks looks far better. Actually, 2 weeks that is Bloody eurovison! In the trailer it looks like:Captain Jack. And John Simm
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