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Well, I've just had the chance to watch last night's episode, and in my humble opinion it was a corker – and much better than Love & Monsters, last year's 'Doctor-lite' episode. The Weeping Angels were well creepy, and maybe contenders for the most evil Who villains of all time? After all, Daleks exterminate you, Cybermen make you like them, but those Angels...

...send you to Hull! :eek:

I don't think we've ever seen such evil on our screens, and I'm certain the nation's children will have been unable to sleep last night, fearing that they'd suffer the same grisly fate. ;) Actually, on that note a couple of gripes...

...that certainly wasn't an 'ull accent the chap in the field had. My initial reaction too was that the countryside seemed way too hilly to be Hull – it's rather flat around here, you know – although thinking about it I suppose she could have materialised up on the Wolds several miles out to the west and he could have just told her the name of the nearest big town.

But a great episode, and proof that you don't need fancy CGI to create scary monsters.
 
I loved last nights episode! It was really good! Sally looked sooo much like Joanne from Rocketboom! The Weeping Angels where really scary with the whole blink thing! But it was really smart of the writers for tricking them into looking at each other.
 
That really was a belter! I jumped once or twice :) the whole thing was just scary. Thing is this played on a fear of my own (turn around and everything is different/gone) so I was additionally scared :)

Next weeks looks ace. And soon we're up to the final 2. Ah. Doctor Who is such a great show :D but with no Peep Show and Have I Got News For You, and the Apprentice ending soon... I'll have nothing left to watch. boo.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
...that certainly wasn't an 'ull accent the chap in the field had. My initial reaction too was that the countryside seemed way too hilly to be Hull – it's rather flat around here, you know – although thinking about it I suppose she could have materialised up on the Wolds several miles out to the west and he could have just told her the name of the nearest big town.
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I was expecting you to show up any minute!
 
Totally agree, this was one of my favorite episodes of the season. To me, this is what "Love & Monsters" should have been last year. If you're going to do a story without the Doctor as the main character, then this is how to pull it off. I think it's great that ultimately the girl was the hero as well, giving the Doctor what he needed for the future. ;) In case I missed though, was it ever explained exactly how the Doctor and Martha got trapped in the past? Obviously we can make assumptions, but I don't believe it was ever said exactly what happened...

Yes, I found the episode quite creepy as well and overall, very well done - a great premise. All in all, I'm very impressed with how this season has turned out do far - much better than last season in my opinion.

So, Captain Jack next week and then the 2-part finale - looks like the rest of the season should be solid! But then it's another long wait until Christmas. :(
 
~Shard~ said:
So, Captain Jack next week and then the 2-part finale - looks like the rest of the season should be solid! But then it's another long wait until Christmas. :(
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Yeppers Good Old Captain Jack Harkness But on the next time trailer they didn't seem very friendly "Doctor..." "Captain Jack.." tension! And if I was the man who got sent back into 1960 I would do some MAJOR investments in a little company named Apple, and then sell them before the whole Microsoft thing.
 
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~Shard's~ hidden question
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In answer to that...

It's on BBC3 at the moment, we're just up to the bit where the copper gets zapped back. He's just asked how the Doctor and Martha came to be there and gets the reply, "Same way as you - touch of an angel."

It's pretty safe to assume then that the pair of them have fallen foul of the Angels in some unseen adventure, like the one they were embarking off on at the end of the episode with the bows and arrows. :p
 
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In answer to that...

It's on BBC3 at the moment, we're just up to the bit where the copper gets zapped back. He's just asked how the Doctor and Martha came to be there and gets the reply, "Same way as you - touch of an angel."

It's pretty safe to assume then that the pair of them have fallen foul of the Angels in some unseen adventure, like the one they were embarking off on at the end of the episode with the bows and arrows. :p
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I figured as much, was just curious. ;) One other question though, how did the Doctor send back the TARDIS key? Or was it that the weeping angels were "hunting" him for his TARDIS, ended up with the key themselves, and then it was luck that the girl found it and stole it from them?

And lastly, and this is really picky of me :D, but I thought that the TARDIS key was genetically encoded so that only people the Doctor chose could use the key to open the TARDIS. My thoughts always go back to a Pertwee episode where the Brigadier tries to enter the TARDIS using the key but cannot. The Doctor then provided this explanation that it was a"genetic lock" or something to that effect. Anywho... ;)
 
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In answer to that...

...like the one they were embarking off on at the end of the episode with the bows and arrows. :p
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The only problem there being that the Angels were already stopped when they embarked on their quest for the "four things, well four things and a lizzard" Not that you were suggesting that that was the exact one but that thought had occurred to me.

I loved the humor in this one the "timey-wimey detector, it goes 'bing' when stuff happens" I missed the next lines since I was laughing so hard. Definitely the episode Love and Monsters should have been. I actually might look forward to other "Doctor light" episodes in the future if they have the potential to be this good.

~Shard~ said:
I figured as much, was just curious. ;) One other question though, how did the Doctor send back the TARDIS key? Or was it that the weeping angels were "hunting" him for his TARDIS, ended up with the key themselves, and then it was luck that the girl found it and stole it from them?

And lastly, and this is really picky of me :D, but I thought that the TARDIS key was genetically encoded so that only people the Doctor chose could use the key to open the TARDIS. My thoughts always go back to a Pertwee episode where the Brigadier tries to enter the TARDIS using the key but cannot. The Doctor then provided this explanation that it was a"genetic lock" or something to that effect. Anywho... ;)
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That could be easy [color-fafafa]what if the Doctor encoded the key using genetic material on the packet that Sarah had given him. She told him he'd get trapped in 1969 so maybe he used the information to pre-encode a key to ease his escape.
 
~Shard~ said:
I figured as much, was just curious. ;) One other question though, how did the Doctor send back the TARDIS key? Or was it that the weeping angels were "hunting" him for his TARDIS, ended up with the key themselves, and then it was luck that the girl found it and stole it from them?

And lastly, and this is really picky of me :D, but I thought that the TARDIS key was genetically encoded so that only people the Doctor chose could use the key to open the TARDIS. My thoughts always go back to a Pertwee episode where the Brigadier tries to enter the TARDIS using the key but cannot. The Doctor then provided this explanation that it was a"genetic lock" or something to that effect. Anywho... ;)
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In answer...

I'm not sure about the key, to be honest! If there was an explanation in the episode then I missed it. Maybe he stuck around for 40 years, stuck into he house just before Sally, and hung the key from the frozen Angel's hand, thus helping to effect his escape in his own past? Or something. Yes, that's probably it. :eek:

As for the key being genetically encoded... I think that the Tardis has had various levels of security over the years – genetically encoded locks, oddly shaped keys, different holes and so on. Let's be honest, the number of people who have just blundered in over the years it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't a simple Yale key. I suspect Pertwee was probably making it up about genetically encoded locks, he always was a bit of a showoff with gadgets and stuff. :p ;)
 
Jaffa Cake said:
In answer...

I'm not sure about the key, to be honest! If there was an explanation in the episode then I missed it. Maybe he stuck around for 40 years, stuck into he house just before Sally, and hung the key from the frozen Angel's hand, thus helping to effect his escape in his own past? Or something. Yes, that's probably it. :eek:

As for the key being genetically encoded... I think that the Tardis has had various levels of security over the years – genetically encoded locks, oddly shaped keys, different holes and so on. Let's be honest, the number of people who have just blundered in over the years it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't a simple Yale key. I suspect Pertwee was probably making it up about genetically encoded locks, he always was a bit of a showoff with gadgets and stuff. :p ;)
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Haha, fair enough - and that's why Pertwee is my favorite Doctor second only to Tom Baker! :D Although I must say, Tennant is honestly in the running for that #2 spot if he keeps things up. I have been very impressed with his Doctor this season... :cool:

One other thing I was thinking about, with the whole "Captain Jack holding onto the TARDIS through time and space" thing next week: The TARDIS has a protective force field, so that coupled with Captain Jack's immortality makes this feasible I guess but I was actually thinking back to that episode when an arrow was shot at the TARDIS, stuck in the door, and then made the journey as well when the TARDIS rematerialized. The TARDIS isn't actually made of wood, and it is indestructible, so how would that arrow have stuck in the first place? :confused:

Yeah, I have too much time on my hands... :p :D
 
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The TARDIS isn't actually made of wood, and it is indestructible, so how would that arrow have stuck in the first place? :confused:
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Heh – finally a question to discuss where I don't have to use spoilertext™ ;) Of course, I don't know the answer but a bit of speculation is always fun.

It's happened a couple of times of course – recently in The Shakespeare Code and years ago in Silver Nemesis – so I think that, indestructible as it is, the outer surface layer of whatever a Tardis impersonates behaves as that material would do, up until the point where that material would be destroyed. I suppose that none of the outer surface was 'destroyed' as such by the arrow so it was able to embed itself in there. Now, had it hit one of the little windows the indestructbiltyness™ would have prevented the window breaking, and the arrow would have bounced off harmlessly.

I suppose too that the Tardis would perhaps allow the outer material to suffer a degree of damage in order to keep the disguise realistic, but it would stop short of allowing anything serious that would jeopardise it or its crew. After all, a normally functioning Tardis would reform its outer shell the next time it travelled in order to disguise itself in its new surroundings, so acquiring a little bit of cosmetic 'damage' wouldn't be an issue at all.

That does raise the question though of what would have happened had the Doctor's Tardis had a fully functioning chameleon circuit – if it had rematerialised as a bookcase or a statue or something would it still have had the arrow stuck in there? :confused: And lets not even think about poor Jack, hurtling through the vortex trying to cling onto a phonebox that suddenly changes into piano or something... :p
 
Ooh, I just realised something. (I'll be obtuse so I don't have to use SpoilerText™).

The "bad guys" in this week's episode were just left behind where we last saw them, so what if someone moved them later? They could still cause the Doctor some grief a year later. Somebody would be very foolish and move them in the "incorrect" way and stuff everything up.

Which leads to some very interesting sequel opportunities (oh, what a great enemy they make). Not least of which, the monsters in the fridge, who move all the food around while the light is out. Or is it?!!?

CK.

PS, how dare Steven Moffat live up to such high expectations. We had our hopes so elevated after the past two years, and now he goes and completely fails to disappoint us; in fact, kicks us in the guts with a pearler of a sh**scary foe.

PPS, "timey-wimey detector ... goes 'bing' ... when 'stuff' happens ..." <gg>
 
Because of the Dr Who on Saturday, my wife now very much dislikes this photo of mine!


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I never really connected with Billie. Everytime I saw her - "because we want to" popped into me head. Which isn't good. But Agyeman is ossum. She's really turned into a fun character.

Couple of things I forgot to mention-

Are we back to the whole bird naming scheme?
Why are most of the enemies in this series alone or in few numbers and after the Tardis?
 
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The "bad guys" in this week's episode were just left behind where we last saw them, so what if someone moved them later?
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My understanding was that the angels couldn't look at each other, lest they cause death. I don't think they're merely 'quantum locked'.
 
My friends and I have been discussing why (and how) the angel gave Sally the key to the TARDIS... Maybe they needed her to open it for them because they couldn't use it in their non-stone state, in which case, how did they manage to get it to her in the first place?

Also, I'm surprised there are so many Martha fans here... Here's a list of reasons I can't stand her (not my list, btw).

*her obvious infatuation with the Doctor (only made better by his oh-so-obvious disinterest in her)

*her fake enthusiasm for all things alien. This is only an attempt to make the Doctor fall for her...and a poor attempt at that.

*the leather jacket...why??

*her pineapple-like hair

*her uselessness in the situations when the Doctor needs her most. [Doctor: 'Rose would know exactly the right thing to say' Martha: '...(silence)....']

*the way she takes every comment the Doctor makes as flattery...get over yourself!
 
Thinking about it on the bus to work this morning (I’ll go into spoiler mode in case anyone hasn’t seen the episode)...

Kathy getting zapped back in time to 1920s Hull was a bit of a paradox. Had Sally been in the room then it’s almost certain that the Angel wouldn’t have had the opportunity to sneak up on Kathy like that, meaning she wouldn’t have got sent back in time. It was only because of the letter that she sent Sally that made Sally leave the room – therefore her getting sent back in time created the situation that allowed her to get sent back in time, if you follow.

I hope I explained that properly, it makes your head hurt a bit if you think about it too much. I suppose you could argue though it’s not a paradox if you don’t look on time as linear cause and effect thing, but more as a wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing... :p
 
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I hope I explained that properly, it makes your head hurt a bit if you think about it too much. I suppose you could argue though it’s not a paradox if you don’t look on time as linear cause and effect thing, but more as a wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing... :p
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The whole thing was a paradox - bear in mind that Sally only ended up giving the information to the Doctor having already lived through the experience. As you say, key to understanding the story is accepting the non-linearity of time.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Thinking about it on the bus to work this morning (I’ll go into spoiler mode in case anyone hasn’t seen the episode)...

Kathy getting zapped back in time to 1920s Hull was a bit of a paradox. Had Sally been in the room then it’s almost certain that the Angel wouldn’t have had the opportunity to sneak up on Kathy like that, meaning she wouldn’t have got sent back in time. It was only because of the letter that she sent Sally that made Sally leave the room – therefore her getting sent back in time created the situation that allowed her to get sent back in time, if you follow.

I hope I explained that properly, it makes your head hurt a bit if you think about it too much. I suppose you could argue though it’s not a paradox if you don’t look on time as linear cause and effect thing, but more as a wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing... :p
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Not too hard to get around. Even if the letter pulled Sally out of the room, it's not inconceivable to think that in an original (non-letter) timeline, the two split up, allowing that to happen or they didn't pay attention to the enemy and Kathy just happened to be first. The letter just happened to expedite events in the "future."
 
Regarding the paradoxes... "Time is like a ball" of whatever the Doctor described it as... If you think of it as a ball of string, there's a start and and end to the string... These events took place somewhere around the middle... It wasn't the start of the timey-whimey bing thing...
 
Hate to nit pick
But they didn't eject the DVD from the Laptop
and then had it again in the Tardis.
(did they use handbreak? to rip the Easter egg to the laptop)

otherwise a first class episode

next week
Capt Jack and A Quarry
can't wait


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