They can't axe it yet! The Doctor only has three lives left in him. . . That makes me think, what happens when he uses up the three lives. . . 🙁
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I was wondering about that too. I suspect they'll do some big storyline about the rediscovery of Gallifrey and have the Doctor do something clever with the Eye of Harmony. If you think about it, Gallifrey must still be out there somewhere if the TARDIS is still working.
Jaffa Cake
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We've seen in the past that the Time Lord top brass can gift or take away extra regenerations, so the limit can be circumvented and with them out of the way perhaps the 12 regeneration limit can't be enforced, effectively making the Doctor immortal.
Come to think of it, quite a few recent stories have concerned immortality, or the pursuit of it, and given how the doctor always seems to be speaking against it and how it's a curse rather than a blessing, maybe he's got a shock in store? Hmm... 😉
Come to think of it, quite a few recent stories have concerned immortality, or the pursuit of it, and given how the doctor always seems to be speaking against it and how it's a curse rather than a blessing, maybe he's got a shock in store? Hmm... 😉
~Shard~
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Yah, and then they could name the giant robot Op-TARDIS Prime and it could also turn into a giant semi-tralier... 😀
nickel said:
As jaffa mentioned, the rules can be bent, and have been bent before. 😉 Just look at The Master! 😀 The only question is, when the Doctor hits hits 12th, with he actually turn into the Valeyard? 😱 😛 😉
The Valeyard isn't a full incarnation. He's like The Watcher, sort of a result of the regeneration process. So he could appear as an extra character for a couple of episodes without us having an evil Doctor.
Then again, considering he last appeared on Gallifrey, he could no longer be a part of the Doctor's future at all. Drives a hole through the timey-wimey ball theory though doesn't it? 😀
atszyman
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*covers avatar* What is this Firefly of which you speak? 😀
Being the TV junkie that I am I always suffer mixed emotions when shows I like get cancelled/end. On the one hand it saddens me to lose something I found entertaining. On the other hand the extra time every week is welcome (assuming I don't do a 1:1 replacement on dropped shows).
~Shard~ said:
There you have your good series conclusion, last Doctor regenerates in to Valeyard and leave it at that, story all told... however let's hope that we don't have to speculate on the end for quite some time.
~Shard~
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Yep, quite true - he was never actually the Doctor, and now with the Time War, I'm guessing all bets are off. Still, it would be fun (yet confusing to new viewers! 😉) to see him again...
Heh heh - yeah, throw in Serenity 2 as well... 😉 Mind you, I wonder if they'd even be able to get the complete original cast together again since it's been a while - it would be tough to coordinate everyone's schedules I'm thinking... regardless, it would be cool!
Yeah, I know what you mean - I'm sure I'll feel the same way when BSG is done next year. But, then there's a bit of contentment knowing a show went out at or near the top of its game - I'd rather have that thean have the franchise run into the ground and lose all direction. 10 seasons of Stargate comes to mind... 😱 Some shows end too quickly, but I give executive producers a lot of credit when they realize a show has reached its peak, the stories have been told, it's time to leave thing on a high, and they don't just blindly carry on for the money grab. 😎
Haha, what a finale indeed - the Doctor becomes evil and teams up with the Master to rule the universe together. Roll end credits... 😱 😀 😎
~Shard~
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Wow, what a stacked episode!
Not only do we see the return of Captain Jack, which was great on its own in my opinion, but we finally receive the answer to the Face of Boh's riddle, and how both he and the Doctor can be correct. The Doctor isn't alone, there is another Timelord, yet the Doctor is correct as well, as he can't sense him since he is human. Brilliant!
But what are the odds that of all the Timelords, the only other one to survive is The Master? 😱 Then again, he is so clever and whatnot, that what better way to protect himself from the Time War then to become human and hide at the end of the universe! 😉
This episode caught me by surprise, as I wasn't expecting a lot of fireworks until the last 2 episodes of the season, which I thought would be the standard 2-parter with cliffhanger. Now, essentially, we're getting a 3-part finale to the season, and we do indeed have The Master back as well!
On the one hand, I'm not sure if I like the fact that they brought him back, but it's still too early to say. It just seems like in a way the producers/RTD are doing things to appease the fans and their fantasies. Last season it was, "Hey, let's have the Cybermen battle the Daleks!" and now I wonder if this is going to be more of the same or not. It reminds me of the Alien vs Predator movie - an artifically created movie just cuz some fan really wanted to see it happen - and look at the result. 🙄
As for the Master himself, I thought the older man played him very well - he really reminded me of Delgado with his dialogue and mannerisms, as subtle as they were once he became his true self again. With the new actor though, although we didn't see much of him so I didn't have much time to form an accurate judgment yet, I'm not sure yet if I like him or not. Some of his lines and mannerisms seemed very un-Master-like. The Master always had a warped quality of "class" in my opinion, as evil as he was, yet it was there - he was clever and refined in what he did - I'm not sure if I see that (yet) with this new actor. But again, we'll see in the next episode....
All in all, I liked this episode though and can't wait for next week to see how the Doctor gets out of this one! How does one recover a stolen TARDIS? 😱
Not only do we see the return of Captain Jack, which was great on its own in my opinion, but we finally receive the answer to the Face of Boh's riddle, and how both he and the Doctor can be correct. The Doctor isn't alone, there is another Timelord, yet the Doctor is correct as well, as he can't sense him since he is human. Brilliant!
But what are the odds that of all the Timelords, the only other one to survive is The Master? 😱 Then again, he is so clever and whatnot, that what better way to protect himself from the Time War then to become human and hide at the end of the universe! 😉
This episode caught me by surprise, as I wasn't expecting a lot of fireworks until the last 2 episodes of the season, which I thought would be the standard 2-parter with cliffhanger. Now, essentially, we're getting a 3-part finale to the season, and we do indeed have The Master back as well!
On the one hand, I'm not sure if I like the fact that they brought him back, but it's still too early to say. It just seems like in a way the producers/RTD are doing things to appease the fans and their fantasies. Last season it was, "Hey, let's have the Cybermen battle the Daleks!" and now I wonder if this is going to be more of the same or not. It reminds me of the Alien vs Predator movie - an artifically created movie just cuz some fan really wanted to see it happen - and look at the result. 🙄
As for the Master himself, I thought the older man played him very well - he really reminded me of Delgado with his dialogue and mannerisms, as subtle as they were once he became his true self again. With the new actor though, although we didn't see much of him so I didn't have much time to form an accurate judgment yet, I'm not sure yet if I like him or not. Some of his lines and mannerisms seemed very un-Master-like. The Master always had a warped quality of "class" in my opinion, as evil as he was, yet it was there - he was clever and refined in what he did - I'm not sure if I see that (yet) with this new actor. But again, we'll see in the next episode....
All in all, I liked this episode though and can't wait for next week to see how the Doctor gets out of this one! How does one recover a stolen TARDIS? 😱
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To Mr. Shard - I don't doubt John Simm for a minute. He was truly outstanding in Life on Mars Wait this doesn't have to be in white! But he's good. 🙂 I just hope he makes a good villain after his hero role in LoM.
Interesting that Doctor Who is soon reuniting actors from 24 Hour Party People. Eccleston, Peter Kay, John Simm, probably some more... 😱
Interesting that Doctor Who is soon reuniting actors from 24 Hour Party People. Eccleston, Peter Kay, John Simm, probably some more... 😱
jimN
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In fact if you look throught the list of credits you'll find that Jacobi was actually reprising a role in last played in 2003 - therefore a true Doctor Who fan might well have seen that one coming:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001394/
Vidd
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Wikipedia lists his two previous roles. He has played the Master before, apparently.
Mac-Addict
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Oh my god.. I just watched Utopia and Oh my god... On the next time when they were in the Meeting room who noticed the Macbook? 😛 Or iBook it was hard to tell...
Jaffa Cake
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Well, I never saw that ending coming! 😱 😉
Thoughts in Spoilertext...
I thought it was a so-so episode, although in fairness really it was all setting things up for the final few minutes.
Of course, we all knew that the Master would return at the end of this episode (or at least, those of us with a passing interest in Who websites knew). I twigged about the Yana/You Are Not Alone link about halfway through the episode Miss Jaffa Cake was well impressed, I can tell you. 😉
I've always maintained that the return of the Master would be a good thing if it was handled correctly the few moments we saw of Simm's Master seemed a little too manic for my liking, but I'll reserve judgement until I see him in next week's episode. To be fair, the Doctor does get a little bizarre after a regeneration so that could perhaps explain the Master's slightly erratic behaviour.
We'll see Simm's a great actor so hopefully he can pull it off. If he plays it differently to how we've seen the Master before, well a Time Lord's personality does change along with his appearance, but hopefully he'll still retain that dark charm we all love.
But it's a fantastic cliffhanger we've been left with, and it's hopefully one that they've got a credible solution for.
Thoughts in Spoilertext...
I thought it was a so-so episode, although in fairness really it was all setting things up for the final few minutes.
Of course, we all knew that the Master would return at the end of this episode (or at least, those of us with a passing interest in Who websites knew). I twigged about the Yana/You Are Not Alone link about halfway through the episode Miss Jaffa Cake was well impressed, I can tell you. 😉
I've always maintained that the return of the Master would be a good thing if it was handled correctly the few moments we saw of Simm's Master seemed a little too manic for my liking, but I'll reserve judgement until I see him in next week's episode. To be fair, the Doctor does get a little bizarre after a regeneration so that could perhaps explain the Master's slightly erratic behaviour.
We'll see Simm's a great actor so hopefully he can pull it off. If he plays it differently to how we've seen the Master before, well a Time Lord's personality does change along with his appearance, but hopefully he'll still retain that dark charm we all love.
But it's a fantastic cliffhanger we've been left with, and it's hopefully one that they've got a credible solution for.
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Jaffa Cake
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Yep. The Master is, like The Doctor, a renegade Time Lord. Only an evil one 😎
The two of them have sparred in several adventures over the years of the series. Last we heard of him his last incarnation was disembodied by Paul McGann.
My bets are on him repairing and using Jacks Vortex Manipulator... But we shall see... Lets hope they don't end up in the 1800's!!
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