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[Jaffa Cake]

Shhh!

In answer to your question... we don't know! But Tennant has apparently taken part in filming for the Christmas special. make of that what you will...

 

[blacksheepblues]

Did anyone watch Doctor Who Confidential? I thought I saw the guy who played Mickey (Rose's boyfriend) at the read through, was it actually him?

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Did anyone watch Doctor Who Confidential? I thought I saw the guy who played Mickey (Rose's boyfriend) at the read through, was it actually him?

I didn't see Confidential so i can't say for certain, but as Mickey is featured in some of the publicity shots for the final two-parter it may well have been.

Just on the off chance, there weren't any random actors there in frock coats or long scarfs, were there? 😉

 

[~Shard~]

Did anyone watch Doctor Who Confidential? I thought I saw the guy who played Mickey (Rose's boyfriend) at the read through, was it actually him?

Probably - as Jaffa mentioned, he was featured in the publicity shots.

As for the episode itself, WOW. A true cliffhanger, as I honestly don't know how they plan on resolving it. If the Doctor actually regenerates, then this was an amazingly well kept secret and I wonder who will replace him. If he doesn't really regenerate though, then I'm curious how they will explain things. Will it not be a proper regeneration then, either due to them being in a pocket of time (shouldn't matter though, should it?) or if he chooses the same body perhaps? We know that's possible as Romana did this, but the Doctor never has... perhaps it's a male/female Timelord thing. 😉

Hmm, this could actually be the case now that I think of it, as the Doctor's daughter did not regenerate into a new body - perhaps that's foreshadowing of what's to come? 😕

Regardless, any of the above would then kind of worry me, if there is essentially a regeneration cop-out, as that would be unprecedented and in my mind be the biggest anti-climax for the show.

Maybe he'll regenerate into the Valeyard. Yeah, I've said that so many times and it never gets old... 😛 😀

I'm also very curious to see what happens with Donna. There definitely seems to be more to her, what with the whole "something on her back", that big ring she has and the loud heartbeat on the stairs. Maybe she's a Timelord in human form like the Master and her big ring is like the Doctor and Master's watches! 😱 😉 😀

I'm also interested to find out what that key is all about that Martha has - perhaps that's the key (pun intended) to resolving everything...

In general, I'm thinking that RTD is going to repeat last year's finale in that there has to be a big reversal of events - perhaps that's how they'll explain things... kinda hope not though... <shrug>

Anywho, great episode and man, what a cliffhanger. I can't wait to see how they resolve everything between Ianto/Gwen, Sarah Jane, and of course now the events in the TARDIS at the end.

 

[jimN]

Am I alone in thinking that the last two episodes have been awful. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Dr Who and on the whole I've enjoyed what's happened with it since it came back on air. However, last week suffered heavily for being light on the Doctor and heavy on Donna and this one just felt even worse. It's as though someone said to RTD, "Look, you're leaving, just do whatever the hell you like." He resurrects characters again and again using cop-out story lines and seems determined to make the doctor's companions more/as important as the Doctor himself. The companion was only ever there so that the Dr could explain what was going on for the sake of the people watching. I'm struggling to believe that Donna is anything more than a liability (sadly one who just can't act very well).

I hope that the concluding part is an improvement but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Queso]

I'm wondering...

...if the continued presence of the Doctor's hand in the console room is going to play an important role in this "regeneration".

 

[CortexRock]

They did focus on his hand an awful lot in the run up to the regeneration...

 

[Mac-Addict]

My guess is that... Sarah Jane get saved by mickey and jackey (pictured in many promotional shoots), the doctor uses the fact that he maduser casade is out of sync by one second and his hand to stay the 10th doctor, the daleks capture the tardis and take it aboard their ship. Sarah jane, Mickey and Jacky get taken aboard the dalek ships for testing and search for Rose/The Dr/Jack/Donna. Thennnnn erm. I have no idea after that..

 

[0098386]

Well there are probably whole loads of spoilers running around so I won't be reading anything here 😛

But I didn't like that episode. I don't like how (all I've seen are the Who episodes, no other spoilers here) they brought all the companions back in. No no NO! By all means bring back Rose to demonstrate the rifts power but Sarah Jane? No!

Davros was just excellent. I absolutely love his theme, with that prickily, sinister melody. They kept Kahn (was it?) alive? Isn't that a bit compasionate for Daleks?

Would have been nice to have the Doctor explain why the planets were arranged like that. We know it's for an engine but if they only just talked about core materials or something to add a bit of depth to the concept.

Shadow Proclamation grunts sounded like classic Doom sound samples again. Which is getting cheeky since they also stole the Doom door sounds for The Impossible Planet.


Hoping next weeks is better, by the cliffhanger and it being RTD's last episode I suspect it might be.

ALSO. That whole "To... Be... Continued..." bit seemed really cheap to me 😱

 

[~Shard~]

My guess is that... Sarah Jane get saved by mickey and jackey (pictured in many promotional shoots), the doctor uses the fact that he maduser casade is out of sync by one second and his hand to stay the 10th doctor, the daleks capture the tardis and take it aboard their ship.

On your first point, yeah, that was my thinking too, being that Mickey and Jackie are pictured in the promo shots. As for Martha, where is she? 😕 Don't know what will happen to the TARDIS crew, but I think Ianto and Gwen will be saved by the pterodactyl flying around Torchwood. 😀

As for the regeneration, yes, they were focusing on the hand a lot, but I honestly don't know what impact it would have on a future regeneration. Out of sync or not, I don't see how they can cop out of anything but a normal regeneration - it's Doctor Who dogma, RTD has to be very careful on how he handles this... 😱

I don't like how they brought all the companions back in. No no NO! By all means bring back Rose to demonstrate the rifts power but Sarah Jane? No!

I agree in general - bring back Rose to explain the rift, etc. and close that loop. But why bring in Martha? I understand being that she is with UNIT, they would obviously have a key role to play in things, but then why not bring in other companions who obviously are still living in London (or on Earth for that matter!) as they're obviously affected as well, and must suspect the Doctor is involved... why not Jo Grant, Teagan or Peri? 😛 😉 As for Sarah Jane, I agree with that one as well, but I think RTD's whole idea here is to unite the 3 shows in this finale, hence why we have Doctor Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane.

So yeah, I agree with the whole "let sleeping companions lie", as we've been there done that, but I can see why RTD is doing it...

Davros was just excellent. I absolutely love his theme, with that prickily, sinister melody. They kept Kahn (was it?) alive? Isn't that a bit compasionate for Daleks?

Yeah, a little compassionate, but perhaps they revere him now for his sacrifice in saving their creator, or they simply keep him around for his fortune-telling abilities. 😉

As for Davros, yes, very well done. I loved that actor in the Torchwood circus episode and though he did an excellent job here as well. 😎

ALSO. That whole "To... Be... Continued..." bit seemed really cheap to me 😱

Yeah, me too. Classic Doctor Who episodes always ended with cliffhangers and never once said "To Be Continued" so I thought it was unnecessary and cheesy as well.

 

[bartelby]

As for Davros, yes, very well done. I loved that actor in the Torchwood circus episode and though he did an excellent job here as well. 😎[/color]

He's brilliant.

For those who saw Who Confidential; How cool did his stage show look!!!

Yeah, me too. Classic Doctor Who episodes always ended with cliffhangers and never once said "To Be Continued" so I thought it was unnecessary and cheesy as well.

I seem to remember there have been a couple of "To Be Continued"s in recent series. Usually to link to specials.

 

[0098386]

Another bit of confusion is why, 2 episodes ago, did the Doctor say "It's the end of the universe" when asked what Bad Wolf means? Because Donna knew the words Bad Wolf that only means that Rose is back and not exactly a sign of impending danger, right?

Also is there any significance to the 2nd sonic screwdriver dropped in the bin at the end of the Adipose episode? Did someone take it (I can't remember 😱)?

 

[Jaffa Cake]

I can imagine... Davros keeping Dalek Caan alive out of scientific curiosity. As he said, Caan was able to temporal shift into the early exchanges of the Time War which should have been impossible – Davros may well think he could glean useful knowledge by studying Caan. He certainly looks like he's been dissected a bit. And given that he's referred to as 'the abomination' by his fellow Daleks, I'm guessing he's not exactly being kept alive out of respect or compassion

I'm also a bit concerned about... this apparent regeneration. I really hope we just don't end up with Tennant standing there and a short bit of technobabble later its as if the whole thing never happened. A regeneration is a pivotal event in the series – it's not only a new Doctor but it should be a fresh direction for the show. To mess around with such a key aspect of the Doctor is very dangerous ground I think, and I hope they're not going to do anything to cheapen the concept.

 

[~Shard~]

Another bit of confusion is why, 2 episodes ago, did the Doctor say "It's the end of the universe" when asked what Bad Wolf means? Because Donna knew the words Bad Wolf that only means that Rose is back and not exactly a sign of impending danger, right?

Well, I think the two are one in the same though - if Rose is back, then something must be terribly, terribly wrong, hence why the Doctor says "It's the end of the universe". Perhaps a little bit of hyperbole, no doubt, but nonetheless, knowing that Rose is in an alternate universe and that universes are apparently starting to "cross paths" as evident by her return, I think the Doctor knew full well that nothing good could come of that and that there must be something very serious going on. 😉

 

[Jaffa Cake]

You can see the new trailer for Journey's End here if you're interested – it doesn't really give anything away (certainly it does nothing to resolve the questions over the 'regeneration').

One thing it does show us though is that the next episode will feature... at least one Davros rant. 😛

 

[~Shard~]

Yeah, as I stated above Jaffa, I also feel that regeneration is a key element to the series and should not be toyed with or take lightly. As a result, this could be a real cop-out, the most anti-climactic cliffhanger of the series and a sour note on, well, the whole history of Who! Perhaps making things worse, there'll be RTD chuckling in the background all proud of himself thinking he's "clever" for doing all this. 😛 😉 Let's hope the resolution is a good one, one way or the other - I'm not against an explanation if it's completely plausible, but as you said, in this situation, technobabble simply does not cut it. 😎

 

[BlakTornado]

there'll be RTD chuckling in the background all proud of himself thinking he's "clever" for doing all this. 😛 😉

Oh god that's scarred me for life, lol.

Not because it's scary, but because of the fact he DOES that. He sits there and is like "And we did this because...". Not that I have anything against him but now whenever I do ANYTHING I imagine him there like "And we ____ to do this, *chuckle*"

UGH!!! I AM SCARRED BY RUSSEL T DAVIES.


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Well I must say, it was slightly disappointed. Not because it was a bad episode but because it was nowhere near as good as I was hoping (not enough action). But I get that with every Doctor Who episode. My imagination runs away with me and I think up amazing stories that would totally rock based on the "to be continued" preview, and then I'm sorely disappointed. But never-the-less, it wasn't too bad.
I loved Davros and Dalek Caan was hilarious. I always love a comedy Dalek (hence why I loved the Dalek+Cyberman thing in the second series "You are superior in only one respect" "What is that?" "You are better at dying" LOL 😀 <3 Daleks)
Hopefully the next episode won't ruin everything but I don't want David Tennant to go. He was a good Doctor, if I must say so myself.

 

[~Shard~]

Yeah, I don't really want to see Tennant depart either.

Since they focused on the hand in the jar so much, perhaps the Medusa Cascade will cause him to un-regenerate into Christopher Eccelston! 😱 😛 😉 😀

 

[atszyman]

A thought

We know that while the regeneration is fresh The Doctor can grow new limbs, could a limb grow a new Doctor when regeneration energy is plentiful? Might the hand grow a new Doctor? We'd have the 10th and 11th Doctor's hanging together maybe the 11th sacrificing himself to end it all?

Of course they've now given us a window to go back into the Time War in a future episode as well.

Is Donna going to go back and sacrifice herself to save the Doctor, proving to be the most faithful companion?

 

[~Shard~]

Interesting theory, but I don't know how I feel about the concept of two of the same Doctor simultaneously existing, even if it is just for a temporary period of time. And then one dies, but the other lives? Hmm.... To me this would still go against the supposed hard and fast regeneration rules. That being said, the Doctor's daughter regenerated and wasn't even a true Timelord...

I guess it could play off the whole cloning theme that has been present throughout this series though - perhaps the Doctor himself will be cloned this time... 😎

 

[DHUK]

Here is my take on this.


A member from the Shadow Proclamation noticed that Donna still had 'something on her back', a reference the the 'Turn Left' episode so maybe the onus is on Donna to change time again to rescue the Doctor. Last time Donna changed something, she had to kill herself. I have a feeling Donna will be the person who will die in order to 'save' the Doctor - or could it be Rose who takes the shot from the Dalek? Who knows? 🙂

Given the circumstances that forced the Doctors regeneration, I couldn't imagine Russell T Davies allowing the 10th Doctor - probably the most popular - to bow out from a half-pot shot from an dalek who happened to be just passing. The doctor is regenerating, it would be interesting to see what form he takes.

I also think the Shadown Proclamation will play a role in the final episode. It would also be interesting to see if River Song turns up.

 

[Lyddiegal]

I refuse to believe that David is leaving - the comment about something on Donnas back has to be relevant, and the doctors comments at the end of turn left, about worlds bending around donna.

Also, river song recognized the doctor as david tennant as did the queen at the end of the Shakespeare Code (not quite as important as they most likely will NEVER make that episode)

And also, that would be a HORRIBLE way for tennant to leave! Not doing anything even remotely heroic and still never telling rose that he loves her.
This can't really be happening.

 

[~Shard~]

Lyddiegal, please follow suit and use white text out of courtesy as the rest of us do please! 🙂

Anyway, I like your line of thinking DHUK, perhaps Donna does still have something on her back and will need to change the past, possibly by sacrificing herself as she did in "Turn Left". The question is though, how did she get another "time beetle" on her back, and what decision does she need to make to somehow change what happened?

And then how much of it changes? The entire episode (that would suck, as it would be akin to "it was all a dream!" and never happened) or just the single event of the Doctor being shot? Hmm, and knowing that the Doctor isn't dying, rather simply regenerating, would Donna think this is worth sacrificing herself for? In a way, what bearing does it really have if the Doctor continues in his 10th form or in his 11th? Apart from the standard recovery time, he's the same Doctor and would have the same success in defeating Davros one way or the other.

Regardless, even if Donna does make some change to avert the Doctor's regeneration, it will still be interesting to see what becomes of the Doctor in the interim. 😉

 

[atszyman]

Interesting theory, but I don't know how I feel about the concept of two of the same Doctor simultaneously existing, even if it is just for a temporary period of time. And then one dies, but the other lives? Hmm.... To me this would still go against the supposed hard and fast regeneration rules. That being said, the Doctor's daughter regenerated and wasn't even a true Timelord...

I guess it could play off the whole cloning theme that has been present throughout this series though - perhaps the Doctor himself will be cloned this time... 😎

I never ever expect my prognostications to be accurate, in fact if history is any indicator, I am usually 100% completely wrong. Just ask my wife, of course according to her, even when I'm right I'm wrong.

Lyddiegal, please follow suit and use white text out of courtesy as the rest of us do please! 🙂

Anyway, I like your line of thinking DHUK, perhaps Donna does still have something on her back and will need to change the past, possibly by sacrificing herself as she did in "Turn Left". The question is though, how did she get another "time beetle" on her back, and what decision does she need to make to somehow change what happened?

And then how much of it changes? The entire episode (that would suck, as it would be akin to "it was all a dream!" and never happened) or just the single event of the Doctor being shot? Hmm, and knowing that the Doctor isn't dying, rather simply regenerating, would Donna think this is worth sacrificing herself for? In a way, what bearing does it really have if the Doctor continues in his 10th form or in his 11th? Apart from the standard recovery time, he's the same Doctor and would have the same success in defeating Davros one way or the other.

Regardless, even if Donna does make some change to avert the Doctor's regeneration, it will still be interesting to see what becomes of the Doctor in the interim. 😉

I could buy that theory other than the fact it's already been done once and seems unnecessary by your own reasoning, unless the Daleks take advantage of the regeneration recovery time to kill everyone..

 

[DHUK]

Some more...


There are some rumours the doctors hand (the one that got chopped off after he regenerated into the 10th doctor) may become a second doctor. After everything that happens, the 'second' doctor goes back to the other world with Rose. There was talk of the doctor wearing two different colour outfits at filming - brown doctor stays, blue doctor goes with Rose. I'm a little unsure about this one!!

David Tennant is back for the Christmas Special so I doubt we'll see another actor or 11th Doctor this time.