The Official Mitchell Report Thread

[furcalchick]

phew, no current braves on the list. at least js dumped all the ex-brave cheaters rather quickly.

now what to do with cammy and kile (both are deceased). i think it opens up a whole can of worms of if kile's death was accelerated by the roids (i think he had a family history of men dying in their 50's).

i've downloaded the pdf document already and looking for names via the search on preview. so far so good for the braves. and better yet, jake peavy is clean.

 

[zioxide]

From a quick scan of the list, former/current Sox players:

Clemens
Manny Alexander
Mo Vaughn
Eric Gagné
Brendan Donnelly

I probably forgot/missed some

Yankees that I saw:

Clemens
Pettite
Giambi
Sheffield

 

[MacNut]

phew, no current braves on the list. at least js dumped all the ex-brave cheaters rather quickly.

But Justice was there for the good years.

 

[furcalchick]

But Justice was there for the good years.

sorry, before my time (didn't have cable back then). i'm talking about since 1999 pretty much.

and clemens' name appears in the document 83 times!!!

 

[zioxide]

Mitchell did a good job backing up his accusations in this report. Lots of evidence.

 

[MacNut]

Mitchell did a good job backing up his accusations in this report. Lots of evidence.

Unless there are actual test results it still leaves a lot of questions.

 

[Naimfan]

Mitchell did a good job backing up his accusations in this report. Lots of evidence.

Yes he did.

A few other Yankees I remember seeing--Stanton, Justice, Knoblauch, Brown, and Velarde.

 

[MacNut]

Why didn't Brown use them when he was with the Yankees then. Could of fooled me, it didn't help him any.

What options do teams have for forfeiting contracts after the list is out.

 

[Naimfan]

Unless there are actual test results it still leaves a lot of questions.

Not for me.

Why didn't Brown use them when he was with the Yankees then. Could have fooled me, it didn't help him any.

There. Fixed it for you!

I think Brown was already on the way down when the Yankees got him, so illegal drugs might not have helped.

 

[MacNut]

The problem I have with it is that it is a trainers word, do they have actual records or proof that a player used them. And why are they not showing up on the drug testing list. Or are these before that program started.

 

[decksnap]

Clemens... Petitte... Tejada.

 

[MacNut]

The thing that pisses me off is that Clemans got to Pettitte. I don't think Andy would even think about using but his buddy told him about it.

 

[Naimfan]

A couple of thoughts.

First, it is as interesting to see who is not listed as the list of implicated players. No Ortiz. No Ramirez. No Rodriguez. No Jeter. No Penny. No Pujols. Etc.

Second, this report doesn't cover everything, so we still don't know how prevalent illegal drug use is in baseball. Mitchell's report certainly demonstrates that it is more widespread than many thought.

 

[gauchogolfer]

Paul Lo Duca wasn't a name I expected to see...

Sucks about Tejada, right when the Astros pick him up, looks like those 'dumping' rumors were right on the mark.

I don't think Fernando Vina will be back on ESPN this season either.

The list of names on here is staggering...didn't expect Eric Gagne, though maybe I should have with his precipitous decline.

 

[MacNut]

A couple of thoughts.

First, it is as interesting to see who is not listed as the list of implicated players. No Ortiz. No Ramirez. No Rodriguez. No Jeter. No Penny. No Pujols. Etc.

Second, this report doesn't cover everything, so we still don't know how prevalent illegal drug use is in baseball. Mitchell's report certainly demonstrates that it is more widespread than many thought.

The problem is that they only found trainers that would talk, I'm sure there are many more that won't. I don't think this is a full list as Im sure there are many more we don't know about.

 

[xsedrinam]

A couple of thoughts.

First, it is as interesting to see who is not listed as the list of implicated players....... No Pujols. Etc.

I'd have to say, I'm relieved Pujols isn't on it. I haven't downloaded the pdf. Is McGwire named? What about Sosa?

 

[Naimfan]

The problem is that they only found trainers that would talk, I'm sure there are many more that won't. I don't think this is a full list as Im sure there are many more we don't know about.

Hence my second point...

Haven't been able to read the whole report yet, but it's not just based on what a couple of trainers said.

 

[MacNut]

There is actually no direct link to Clemans, it is all the trainers words. So either the trainer is lying through his teeth or Clemans covered his tracks well.

 

[gauchogolfer]

I'd have to say, I'm relieved Pujols isn't on it. I haven't downloaded the pdf. Is McGwire named? What about Sosa?

No McGwire or Sosa from what I've skimmed through.

 

[Counterfit]

Any thought about Ortiz, he was never as strong a player with the Twins.

That's because they didn't want him swinging big, they wanted him to move the runner over.

From a quick scan of the list, former/current Sox players:

Clemens
Manny Alexander
Mo Vaughn
Eric Gagné
Brendan Donnelly

Who the hell is Manny Alexander? I'm not especially surprised that Vaughn used them, I just hope his new car wash near my house doesn't fall apart like his body did post-Sox. This might explain Gagné's elbow sucks, and Donnelly's too.

 

[Unspeaked]

Former Red Sox players named in report:

Roger Clemens
Mo Vaughn
Jeremy Giambi
Jose Canseco
Mike Stanton
Manny Alexander
Paxton Crawford
Eric Gagne
Josias Manzanillo
Chris Donnels
Brendan Donnelly
Steve Woodard
Mike Lansing
Kent Mercker


Current Red Sox players named in report:

None

 

[MacNut]

Gagne was current up till about a week ago.

The question is not when they were on the team but when were they using. How many of those players wore the Red Sox uniform and took steroids.

 

[Unspeaked]

Gagne was current up till about a week ago.

The question is not when they were on the team but when were they using. How many of those players wore the Red Sox uniform and took steroids.

I wasn't implying anything, I was just making an observation.

I think it's likely these players were doping while on the Sox:

Mo Vaughn (of course)
Jose Canseco (when wasn't he?)
Manny Alexander
Paxton Crawford
Chris Donnels

Maybe:

Mike Stanton
Kent Mercker

 

[Unspeaked]

Former Braves in report:

Matt Franco
David Justice
Denny Neagle
Todd Pratt
Kent Mercker
Mike Stanton
Paul Byrd
John Rocker

Current Braves named in report:

None

 

[aloofman]

The thing that pisses me off is that Clemans got to Pettitte. I don't think Andy would even think about using but his buddy told him about it.

I didn't realize you knew Andy Pettitte personally! You can't assume to know the character of someone you only see on TV. You just can't know who would be capable of doing anything. Even if you DO know someone personally, you can still be surprised to learn that a good friend could cheat on his wife or steal from his employer.

After a quick scan of the report, it looks like this McNamee guy was a link to a lot of players. He was with Toronto when Clemens was there and moved to the Yankees at the same time Clemens did.

Todd Hundley allegedly brought it with him from the Mets and got Lo Duca into it, who hooked up Kevin Brown and Eric Gagne. This, by the way, is a plausible explanation for how quickly the Dodgers dumped all of these players as soon as they were able. Hundley tanked right after he came over to LA, but the others might have been thought to be overachieving and on the verge of permanent breakdown.