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The old Intel model is almost 300% of Max for gaming FPS
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Apple compared this M1 Max with RTX 3080 mobile within their keynote. So this comparison is more than legit. I didn't know that this M1 Max is slower than a crappy AMD 5600M gpu of macbook pro 2019.
I noticed that M1 Pro is slow. I connected mine today to a 34GP950G ultra wide screen and opened a lot of tabs in Chrome and Safari. Damn it's slowing down very hard when a lot tabs are open. My 5900X desktop and 11800h laptop are worlds faster.
So you are admitting you made a mistake? You don't know how to buy a computer which is better than the one's you already have?
I bought as i said several times the m1 mac only because of the screen, noise and battery life. But i expected same performance within normal desktop usage. I never expected a performance which is common for low power mobile cpus.
If the problems are not getting fixed, i buy one of the new mini led laptops with 3840 x 2160 @ 120 hz and rtx 3080.
If the problems are not getting fixed, i buy one of the new mini led laptops with 3840 x 2160 @ 120 hz and rtx 3080.
Yep, it's shame.
The only good thing about this M1 Mac Pro 2021 is the battery life, the noise and the display (for hdr, not motion => response times are very slow, pro motion is stuttering and it has pwm).
Remember normal Mac OS users who using this stuff for years don't know fast systems. They are trapped in this system. I bought the fastest hardware for a decade every year. I know the difference. The M1 Pro is my first macbook. I really thought before is used it, it's performance is impressive.
I will try m1 max maybe and if it's the same, i'm finished with m1 pro/max.
Even this alu body (silver) is bad. You see hand prints burned into it after a few hours usage. Wtf? I saw this behaviour in a extremer way on a space grey ipad pro 2021. A soft wet cloth cleaning is lefting permanent marks. I returned it. Unacceptable for this price tag of 1200 Euros.
The only good thing about this M1 Mac Pro 2021 is the battery life, the noise and the display (for hdr, not motion => response times are very slow, pro motion is stuttering and it has pwm).
Remember normal Mac OS users who using this stuff for years don't know fast systems. They are trapped in this system. I bought the fastest hardware for a decade every year. I know the difference. The M1 Pro is my first macbook. I really thought before is used it, it's performance is impressive.
I will try m1 max maybe and if it's the same, i'm finished with m1 pro/max.
Even this alu body (silver) is bad. You see hand prints burned into it after a few hours usage. Wtf? I saw this behaviour in a extremer way on a space grey ipad pro 2021. A soft wet cloth cleaning is lefting permanent marks. I returned it. Unacceptable for this price tag of 1200 Euros.
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Its a constant "benchmark" tool that people use. I even heard people complain about 60 tabs. How can anyone function with 20 tabs, let alone 60 is crazy.
Probably just a Chromium bug. But you're welcome to build a debug image to try to diagnose it too. I ran into a similar problem on Windows a couple of years ago and it was first fixed in Brave.
You are a troll. Why aren't you hanging out on a intel or PC forum where the crowd would be more accommodating to that nonsense?Only because i writing something bad about apple macs im no troll
That's not good enough. You need to provide the specific URLs.
If it is a common problem happening to almost every web page, it shouldn't be hard to come up with 20-30 URLs which you can consistently reproduce the slowness.
Well, so you are going to buy 4000$ macbook to run emulated windows, with emulated games, and complain about performance?
Just buy console or PC for games.
Did you actually read what I wrote?
I have never emulated windows or have a need to run windows programs. I am an AI/ML researcher, so I do need to VM Linux quite often.
And I have not mentioned games once on this forum, and haven't really played games in adulthood.
Maybe you should graduate from 6th grade reading level before replying on this forums?
Same thing. If you need software that a machine can't run, don't get the machine or get two machines. Or even three.
Really, really simple. Even for an AI/ML researcher.
We always ask for a reproducer in engineering. Preferably self-contained without any customer data. If it does have customer metadata or data, then we have to provide something to the effect of providing privacy for the data or metadata involved. If it's intermittent, then we have to get creative. Sometimes the local support representative can come up with something or sometimes we have to look through logs, crash dumps or create an instrumented image to capture data that could be helpful in debugging the problem.
Worst case is when an engineer or engineers have to travel to the customer site to debug the data on-site. Spy agencies typically require someone onsite and no, you can't bring a lot of things in or out.
What do you mean.
In my original post I explicitly said that whatever MaxTech guys did in terms of bench marks showing the intel machines ahead is invalid, because they did not do any in depth analysis on these issues. Real technical reviews need careful analysis on loads on various compute units within the processor cores, looking at effect on SIMD specific code have on compute throughput, memory tiling on cache latency analysis, pressures on the L/SU during memory disambiguation, and many many more. If you want to see a good review on actual performance, although it is still fairly barebones, but sufficient for our discussions here, you can see this:
And apparently you also did not read or understand what I wrote (and you probably didn't even bother to read what I wrote, and just based your reply on Juraj22's lunatic rant), in which I said that whatever benchmarks they are showing M1 Max behind is very suspect. And personally my 14" with M1 Max and 64GB currently does everything that I need, with headroom to spare. So I have no idea what are you even replying to ....
What do you mean.
In my original post I explicitly said that whatever MaxTech guys did in terms of bench marks showing the intel machines ahead is invalid, because they did not do any in depth analysis on these issues. Real technical reviews need careful analysis on loads on various compute units within the processor cores, looking at effect on SIMD specific code have on compute throughput, memory tiling on cache latency analysis, pressures on the L/SU during memory disambiguation, and many many more. If you want to see a good review on actual performance, although it is still fairly barebones, but sufficient for our discussions here, you can see this:
And apparently you also did not read or understand what I wrote (and you probably didn't even bother to read what I wrote, and just based your reply on Juraj22's lunatic rant), in which I said that whatever benchmarks they are showing M1 Max behind is very suspect. And personally my 14" with M1 Max and 64GB currently does everything that I need, with headroom to spare. So I have no idea what are you even replying to ....
My reply is to your reply. Not an old reply or post.
So basically you have no idea what I originally wrote, or the context of what my response to Juraj22 is.
I have never complained the 14" M1 Max that I have is inadaquate, quite the opposite, I have said in this forum that it's all I can ask for and more.
So basically Juraj22 either didn't bother to carefully read what I originally wrote in this thread, and made up a bunch of stuff that he thinks that I somehow was espousing, which was almost exactly the opposite of what I was arguing for. And you basically had no idea about the rest of the conversation, and just assumed something about what I originally wrote, and then replied a bunch of stuff that are completely irrelevant to what I was writing about.
These forums really need to clean up some of the lunatics and invalids roaming around.
Because it’s quick and easy shorthand for “APPLE LIIIIIIIIIED!” And, those videos drive a great deal of engagement on YouTube which is what it’s all about. Not being “well researched”, but “how can I get a ton of people to watch my video thus getting me paid.”
The good thing is, it’s an easy way to tell who’s very clearly posting primarily for views.
And, you can ignore those in the future!Because it’s quick and easy shorthand for “APPLE LIIIIIIIIIED!” And, those videos drive a great deal of engagement on YouTube which is what it’s all about. Not being “well researched”, but “how can I get a ton of people to watch my video thus getting me paid.”
The good thing is, it’s an easy way to tell who’s very clearly posting primarily for views.
What is the purpose of acquiring views? I understand YouTube where you can get paid for them but I am unaware of any such scheme at this site.
OK, NP.
But I never said or implied that the new M1 Max isn't enough for me, in any of my posts, like you were saying:
Actually quite the opposite, it's been the most capable machine that I have used to date; and certainly fits my AI/ML workflow better than the 2018 15" intel I was using.
Juraj22 originally basically didn't read what I actually wrote before replying; and then you probably then based on what he implied.
Anyways, no big deal.
The people running the tests and posting the videos aren’t here on MacRumors. As to why anyone would want to do a YouTuber’s marketing work for them for free? I don’t know. I know a lot of YouTubers tell their viewers to “like, share, comment and subscribe” or something like that. Maybe this is part of the “share”?
^If you assumed without checking, then you're just trolling at this point. Worth noting though, you should always check the benchmarks that make a difference to you prior to purchase.