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So a whopping 1/3 stop aperture increase would make all the difference for you? Shooting at 1/50 sec instead of 1/40 sec is the difference between a good camera upgrade and not? Come on.
No, it doesn't make all the difference to me. I'm just giving Apple a hard time ;)

dont look at numbers. aperture 2.2 is not 'worse' than aperture 1.8.
theyre just design decisions. Opened up aperture decreases sharpness. The difference between 2.2 and 1.8 is not that drastic as you might imagine, if you are looking for bokeh - given the small sensor size. you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
That makes me feel better. I'm sure the iPhone will continue to lead in image quality :)
 
Well ill pre order anyway, as i want the 6+s but after teardown if its still 1GB RAM then i might just swap over and get normal 6+
 
dont look at numbers. aperture 2.2 is not 'worse' than aperture 1.8.
theyre just design decisions. Opened up aperture decreases sharpness. The difference between 2.2 and 1.8 is not that drastic as you might imagine, if you are looking for bokeh - given the small sensor size. you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Only time will tell but there is a huge difference in light absorption between 2.2 and 1.8 aperture. I suspect the low light performance on the 6s will remain the same quality.
 
So a whopping 1/3 stop aperture increase would make all the difference for you? Shooting at 1/50 sec instead of 1/40 sec is the difference between a good camera upgrade and not? Come on.
2.2 to 1.8 is 2/3s of a stop.
 
As already mentioned, RAM size is unknown at this point but rumours suggest it's 2GB up from 1 GB. The same with the battery size. Rumours suggest the battery is 1715 mA down from 1810 but iOS 9 optimization will allow the same (poor) battery life as before.

What others have trouble grasping is why Apple went with 16 GB for their base model. What those people fail to realize is that the iPhone still remains a status symbol more than anything else. If Apple had a 4 or 8 GB iPhone 6s version, people would still buy it.
 
Only time will tell but there is a huge difference in light absorption between 2.2 and 1.8 aperture. I suspect the low light performance on the 6s will remain the same quality.

no there wont. not when the sensor is already so tiny, the difference in those apertures will be minimal at best.
Part of the reason why, even smartphones with 1.8 apertures today wont have nearly as shallow a depth of field as my 1.8 DSLR lense with the full frame sensor.

at this point, it is still all about sensor quality.
 
I think it's a solid upgrade. Force touch looks like a real gamechanger.

I think, too, it’ s a very solid upgrade.

The massive camera improvements, the new chipset and the stronger chassis alone are enough to make it a good upgrade. Throw in the the 3D-Touch thingy and (presumably) the 2GB RAM, and it’s a phantastic upgrade.

they added an 'S' badge engraving on the back??? HOW TACKY IS THAT!!!! they're essentially decreasing the value of the 'iPhone' brand.... now 'iPhone [ S ]' is a better brand than the 'iPhone' brand...

Actually this reflects reality: Always, once the 'S' has come out it feels like the real thing, and the non-S more like the unfinished prototype. That’s why I’m sticking to the 'S' upgrade cycle.
 
I think, too, it’ s a very solid upgrade.

The massive camera improvements, the new chipset and the stronger chassis alone are enough to make it a good upgrade. Throw in the the 3D-Touch thingy and (presumably) the 2GB RAM, and it’s a phantastic upgrade.



Actually this reflects reality: Always, once the 'S' has come out it feels like the real thing, and the non-S more like the unfinished prototype. That’s why I’m sticking to the 'S' upgrade cycle.
I also think it's a solid upgrade. I'm just giving Apple a harder time because I don't usually do. But I can't wait to JUMP to the iPhone 6s!
 
If the rumored 2GB holds true, that would be enough for me to go through with preordering the 6S, not to mention the upgraded aluminum. The video upgrades are impressive, though I don't know how much they would affect me personally. However, the RAM would surely be good, especially after another year or two.
 
If the rumored 2GB holds true, that would be enough for me to go through with preordering the 6S, not to mention the upgraded aluminum. The video upgrades are impressive, though I don't know how much they would affect me personally. However, the RAM would surely be good, especially after another year or two.
I can't wait to see how 2GB of RAM impacts the web browsing experience, since I've yet to use an iOS device with 2GB of RAM.
 
I think it's a solid upgrade. Force touch looks like a real gamechanger.
I'm not upgrading though.
The only disappointing aspects to me, are:
1. the pink option is really ugly...
2. they added an 'S' badge engraving on the back??? HOW TACKY IS THAT!!!! they're essentially decreasing the value of the 'iPhone' brand.... now 'iPhone [ S ]' is a better brand than the 'iPhone' brand... feels like an easy way to make people believe that the iphone 6S is a worthy upgrade to the 6 series.... really.... why not let the product speak for itself?

They added "S" in the back because it looks exactly like the iPhone 6. iPhone 5 and 5S are distinguishable due to touch id.
 
no there wont. not when the sensor is already so tiny, the difference in those apertures will be minimal at best.
Part of the reason why, even smartphones with 1.8 apertures today wont have nearly as shallow a depth of field as my 1.8 DSLR lense with the full frame sensor.

at this point, it is still all about sensor quality.
Well we will soon see how much of difference it has made or didn't make once review units are available.
 
I think, too, it’ s a very solid upgrade.

The massive camera improvements, the new chipset and the stronger chassis alone are enough to make it a good upgrade. Throw in the the 3D-Touch thingy and (presumably) the 2GB RAM, and it’s a phantastic upgrade.



Actually this reflects reality: Always, once the 'S' has come out it feels like the real thing, and the non-S more like the unfinished prototype. That’s why I’m sticking to the 'S' upgrade cycle.

One could also say that the true "new" iPhone's are the non-S versions. You get a tweaked version of the same phone. I've never gotten the impression of anything feeling like a prototype.
 
They added "S" in the back because it looks exactly like the iPhone 6. iPhone 5 and 5S are distinguishable due to touch id.

If I remember correctly there was no visual difference between 4 and 4S either - and yet they didn't add 'S' to the phone
 
And how will battery life ever be better with the rumored 6.1mm thickness for the iPhone 7?
You do know there are much better ways to improve battery life other than making the battery minorly bigger right? The 4 has better battery life than the 3GS yet is thinner. The 5 has better battery life then the 4S yet is thinner. And the 6 has better battery life than the 5S yet is thinner.
 
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I think its a good upgrade considering the 'S' has normal been minor upgrades with a little bit more. The non 'S' models are normally the all singing dancing showboat models
 
If I remember correctly there was no visual difference between 4 and 4S either - and yet they didn't add 'S' to the phone
There are a few differences though mentioned here. IMO, they put the "S" so that people can easily differentiate iphone 6 from 6s.
 
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They don't mention it because they know that's one of the things in which they're behind other competitors. Imagine how the audience would have reacted to the iPhone 6's 1GB of RAM in the keynote. BOO!!!

Exactly. Sadly, a lot of people aren't very technically savvy and automatically think more RAM = better. It's a predicament for Apple because their software wizardry has allowed them to create a device that runs so well with relatively little RAM in comparison to the competition, which saves them many millions in manufacturing costs. However, the layperson would automatically think less RAM = worse without understanding the finer details behind the scenes. This is why Apple make no mention of the amount of RAM.
 
In case you haven't noticed, the iPhone is crushing the market the most it has since Android came onto the market with Samsung. Apple is dominating the market.

Did people miss the 2x CPU performance, Camera, 3D Touch, Enhanced Graphics.

Again, maybe the S cycle isn't for everyone, so then don't buy a device. But to say nothing has changed because the chassis is the same is an understatement.
You know it's likely people DID miss the new features. I had to watch the keynote twice to have it all sink in properly. The first time I was kind of jaded. The second time through I felt like an idiot for missing so much. They really packed a lot in to the keynote. Maybe a little too much? The home shopping segment caused my brains too ooze out of my ears. I like shopping but that presentation was just so underwhelming compared to everything else for me.
 
I can't wait to see how 2GB of RAM impacts the web browsing experience, since I've yet to use an iOS device with 2GB of RAM.
My husband said he did not think it really helped that much for his IPad Air 2 because so many sites are poorly designed or overloaded with resource hogging ads. He was still noticing refreshes. He's just not sure if there are significantly fewer than before. He's going to give it a more thorough testing for me because we're trying to decide if it's worth it to upgrade my Retina Mini that used to work pretty well with the web but now constantly has to reload the same page on many news sites.
 
They didn't add a ton of features, BUT this is probably the biggest upgrade in the 'S' cycle history, especially if it has 2GB RAM. 3D Touch has the potential to vastly alter the user experience in a way that makes people, like myself, far more productive on a daily basis.

IMO, Apple took the "widgets" that Android users cry about, and never use, to a whole new level. At least, from a productivity stand-point.
 
To Apple, battery life was a 2011-2012 question.

They think they've solved it with the right balance in 2014 with the 6 + 6 Plus, they've even said in previous interviews that they don't expect any more large increases in battery life. I don't know if I agree.

However compared to 4S and iPhone 5, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were marked improvements in battery life.
 
Exactly. Sadly, a lot of people aren't very technically savvy and automatically think more RAM = better. It's a predicament for Apple because their software wizardry has allowed them to create a device that runs so well with relatively little RAM in comparison to the competition, which saves them many millions in manufacturing costs. However, the layperson would automatically think less RAM = worse without understanding the finer details behind the scenes. This is why Apple make no mention of the amount of RAM.

Keep drinking that kool aid. Apple makes no mention pf RAM because they lag behind and are greedy. Why wasn't weight or thickness mentioned this release? Apple marketing is the best pulling the wool over eyes in areas where they lag. Are you going to use that same logic for base models being 16GB? Wizardry will find a way to keep file sizes smaller so it is OK? It is money saving, nothing more.

Someone with a spreadsheet has decided the performance hit is worth it for the profits. I have been in software development for 30 years. I can absolutely guarantee those in the OS development dept would want to be able to utilize more RAM.
 
For the first time ever, I won't be upgrade this year. I wasn't impressed by anything. Yes, I would love the 12MP camera, but that's it. Not enough to make me start shelling out payments again. I don't give an eff about 3D Touch. The deal breaker was having only 1GB of RAM STILL. I'll wait for the 7. iOs 9 should make my 6+ even better.
 
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