I thought the same at first. They have however continued to refer to it as "The new iPad" even in situations where it seems bizarre.
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad
That was at the iPhone 5 event.
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I thought the same at first. They have however continued to refer to it as "The new iPad" even in situations where it seems bizarre.
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad
That was at the iPhone 5 event.
Two different product lines, which is why the products are as different as they are (i.e. iPod Touch and iPhone). If the new (rumoured) product is part of the iPad line, I can't imagine it being as different from the larger version as the iPod Touch is from the iPhone, that doesn't seem right, especially if (consider this) they launch this new (rumoured) product when they announce the next gen iPad.
People really see this product in different ways. One way people assume is that Apple will launch this product and its main feature will be low price. Others assume this will be a feature rich product, appealing to a set of people that want a smaller iPad or larger iPod Touch. If (and this is a big "if") this product is released, I can't imagine Apple moving out of its sweet spot to release a product appealing to people who want cheaper tablets. But that's just my opinion.
Well you asked for people's thoughts on the matter and then went right to the insults,so back at ya-You are crazy if you think there is no market for a 399 ipad mini.What you need to get through your head is some people(not me)simply DO NOT WANT a full size ipad at any price.Astounding isn't it!That someone could have different needs and desires than you?What a concept!
If you've been reading these threads all along there have been plenty of posts to that effect.
It's crazy to think the only reason for a mini is price.From what I've read here the number one reason people want a mini is SIZE!!!!
So all your arguments based on price alone are worthless.
While there are certainly people who want the iPad mini for size (to the extent that some have said they'll buy a mini even if it were the same price as the regular iPad), there are also plenty of people who are looking for a less expensive tablet ("I'll buy two for my kids" crowd).
I think the question is not whether there is a market for $399 mini, but how large is that market? Obviously, some want a mini at any price, but is that group large enough to make it worth the effort for Apple? The problem is that people often use "no market" as shorthand for "that market is too small to be worth the effort." If you understand "no market" in this way, then it isn't crazy to say there is no market for a mini at $399, as a few posts in an online forum do not constitute proof that a large enough group of people want a mini at that price.
how did apple sells 3.5" 16GB ios devices for a $150 more then the 9.7" ios devices? are you saying that the base iPad 3 should have been released at 750$.
The iPod, iPhone, and iPad are all different products. with different prices to maximize apples profits. I don't think they care what you think.
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I thought the same at first. They have however continued to refer to it as "The new iPad" even in situations where it seems bizarre.
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http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad
That was at the iPhone 5 event.
That's a picture of an add. Click further and you will see it called by it's name. The iPad.
Not really.
You don't know the prices that carriers pay for Android devices, thus that statement isn't necessarily true. HINT: A LOT less than an iPhone.
Android devices are made of inferior materials then that of an iPhone in terms of cost, yet have WAY smaller margins (Somehow Apple only has over 25% of the smartphone US market yet 75% of the profits!). Without knowing exact figures, you can easily deduce that the iPhone costs the carriers more than Android. The carriers DO pay more per iPhone than Android device.
Almost every other country doesn't have subsidies, yet smartphones still sell like hot cakes. While subsidies may entice a percentage of US consumers, it's not the sole factor for every customer worldwide.
Apple will always canabalize their own products before others. They don't price things to "fit" into their plan really. I would estimate a price of $299, regardless of iTouch ones.
Uh, the Galaxy S3 unsubsidized is $700. I'm not sure why you think carriers pay less for android devices.
Obviously you didn't read the whole thread before posting. I already covered this. Carrier subsidies.
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And you obviously didn't read either. I not once have stated what price I would pay for an iPad Mini. This thread isn't about if I want one or what I think it is worth. It is about the price that it will succeed and makes the most sense at. Strictly based on pricing strategy. Stop being such a defensive fanboy.
NFC ain't ready now to roll out into the marketplace - there needs to be a far more wholesale uptake of the system in the marketplace - we may see this next year at the earliest and I would have thought Apple extremely foolish to have released it with Passbook - that would have been extremely ill advised. Two features with no retailers! I am not aware if there are security issues at present with NFC - maybe someone could advise me.
Having so few retailers ready for Passbook is a better analogy for a car with no gas.
Exactly, every carrier does it. Carriers bite the bullet on cell phone subsidies to get us to sign contracts with them. It is because of this that manufacturers such as Apple and Samsung are able to charge so high for the device.
If contracts didn't exist all phones would sell for less than their unsubsidized price (albeit probably not $199). So comparing an iPhone that can be subsidies to an iPad that can't isn't really a good comparison.
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By your logic, you are creating a Catch 22.
>More retailers need to implement NFC for Apple to implement it into their phones.
>More Phone companies need to implement it into their phones for retailers to implement it.
Apple is the technology company.. they implement the technologies, and the retailers react accordingly (by adding NFC support).
Most Android phones shipping today have NFC. If Apple implemented it, virtually all new smartphones would. That would create the push for NFC.
Saying Apple is "foolish" for not adding something is just foolish in it's own right.
Totally agree and this just shows that there are varying reasons for different pricing structures. I feel this is very different - the iPad mini vs iPad - and hence my thoughts that your OP rather expects the mini to be a lesser product. I feel for it to be successful it must equal the iPad in build and function - then it will stand out and be taken up in the millions.
I afraid you do not understand retailing then - for this system to be taken up it will need more than just a 'phone' company to create a technology - it ain't that simple. There will be a cost to the retailer and trust me all retailers are counting the pennies at the moment. This system will have to run alongside all the financial merchant suppliers, Worldpay, Streamline etc so that it runs smoothly and efficiently.
Retailers will consider very carefully whether the extra convenience to the consumer will be worth the increase in charges (which there will be to them) - it will take many years for many to come on board and smaller businesses may disregard it completely. The are things called credit cards that cost enough for the retailer to have the pleasure of taking - many will feel they won't go out of business for not taking up NFC for many years to come.
I do accept that some of the bigger companies will implement NFC - that is obvious - but to go to your local shop or private business you will be using cash or credit card for the foreseeable future.
NFC released now will be an app that you keep on your last screen until at least 2014.
I wonder how often NFC is used on the android phones that it had been released on - that is a stat that would be enlightening.
EDIT: Apologies to posters for running off topic!
C'mon the iPad Mini - if real - be spectacular
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I agree small businesses won't be using it for awhile.
But off the top of my head, I can name a few that support NFC
McDonalds
Foot Locker
Starbucks
Various gas stations (at least in America)
CVS
Subway
Toys R Us
Radioshack
Macy's
Guess
American Eagle
Jamba Juice
Walgreens
Jack in the Box
I know there are others too.
When I use my phone as a virtual wallet, I don't want to have to awkwardly wait for them to scan an on-screen barcode. There are plenty of companies already supporting NFC for Apple to implement it. Not to mention Passbook NFC at Airport terminals would have been great.
how about europe? they sell the iPhone for less then the iPad since it is so small? No subsidies there or most places.
As there are large companies adopting NFC we can only speculate as to why Apple have not included it yet. I cannot think for one minute it is because of any desire to hold it back for a later device. I wonder whether it is the security of the system that is an issue - a quick Google found a UK based security consultancy, MWR InfoSecurity, was able to hack into a Galaxy S3 using NFC - worryingly they stated they could get full control of the device. I would expect all companies involved in this technology to be aware on it 's failings and must be working on it to make it more secure. Perhaps it is not just quite ready yet.
The cheapest iPad and most expensive iPod Touch cost almost the same price too. Internally the iPad CPU is one generation behind and capacity is 16 GB compared to 64 GB. I can imagine Apple finally offering 128 GB options in the iOS device lines in order to fit the iPad Mini into a decent price point that does not clash with another option.
In the interest of fairness I will admit, you do have a point. I will not pretend my knowledge of European markets is strong, I don't know that much about them.
Granted. If any hack or NFC card skimming (no doubt some evil mastermind is working on this right now) is going to happen it will be at the point of payment - very sad to say someone will always find a way to steal - whether the system is any less secure than any other I have no idea.
Are you sure about that?
Anyway, I highly doubt (and hope) that the iPad mini would be another cheap 7inch ebook reader.
The logic of a smaller device is to improve the portability of the iPad, while keeping its distinct features (awesome display, awesome app environment, awesome browsing, awesome media player, awesome gaming device) and ALSO to make it a better ebook reader.
Without the retina display you can't make it a better eBook reader (and media player, and web device, and gaming device) than what the iPad already is.
I don't think that Apple would want to go cheap and lose its cornerstone technology.
I think the iPad mini will be...
... about $50 less than the iPad 3. Since when did Apple ever try to compete on price? Their laptops, desktops, display's are all around 30% more expensive than their rivals because they have that premium feel about them and people are willing to pay for it. They want the consumers who will chose iPad mini over Nexus 7 because it's Apple, not because it's cheap.
I'll definitely sell my iPad 2 if/when the iPad mini is released then hopefully buy a 13" MBA at Christmas. The ideal size of gadgets for me are; Phone 4-5", Tablet 7-8", Laptop 13". I've currently got a 4S but will likely swap it for the next Nexus when announced. I've invested a lot in the Apple ecosystem, plus I think the iPad mini WILL be better than the Nexus 7, but for me, having used both, Android makes for a better a phone OS (for productivity anyway, not gaming).
... about $50 less than the iPad 3. Since when did Apple ever try to compete on price? Their laptops, desktops, display's are all around 30% more expensive than their rivals because they have that premium feel about them and people are willing to pay for it. They want the consumers who will chose iPad mini over Nexus 7 because it's Apple, not because it's cheap.
I'll definitely sell my iPad 2 if/when the iPad mini is released then hopefully buy a 13" MBA at Christmas. The ideal size of gadgets for me are; Phone 4-5", Tablet 7-8", Laptop 13". I've currently got a 4S but will likely swap it for the next Nexus when announced. I've invested a lot in the Apple ecosystem, plus I think the iPad mini WILL be better than the Nexus 7, but for me, having used both, Android makes for a better a phone OS (for productivity anyway, not gaming).
When I saw the pricing of the iPod Touch it made me wonder how they would price the iPad mini. There isn't room there to price it low enough, even at $299 I think it is a bit high compared to the competition and it would have parity with the 4" iPod Touch. It would be odd to offer a 4" iPod Touch and a 7.85" iPad for the same price, even if they just use the A5 processor to keep the price down as that is the same processor in the iPod touch.