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Actually, SWIPE is a 3-FINGER gesture [http://www.apple.com/macbookair/guidedtour/], and the current MB/MBP TP HW does not have the capability to sense more than two contacts (fingers), so sorry, but no "minor OS feature update" can get around the HW limitation of sensing only 2 contacts on the current portables. You need a MBA or some other future fully-multi-touch-enabled TP to be able to support any gesture utilizing more than 2 fingers....
:p

Any one finger gestures????

;)

Sorry, just couldn't resist....

:rolleyes:

Oh, there are LOTS of one finger gestures, but for our British counterparts, I wanted to make certain we were including the 2-finger type as well ;pp :D
 
I think that if the prices come down like they do with other products, so they can build a similar laptop at a lower price, it would be great for college students. You have to carry a bunch of heavy books and bulky notebooks in a backpack, so if you have a laptop you want it to be as thin and light as possible.
 
Actually, SWIPE is a 3-FINGER gesture [http://www.apple.com/macbookair/guidedtour/], and the current MB/MBP TP HW does not have the capability to sense more than two contacts (fingers), so sorry, but no "minor OS feature update" can get around the HW limitation of sensing only 2 contacts on the current portables. You need a MBA or some other future fully-multi-touch-enabled TP to be able to support any gesture utilizing more than 2 fingers....

couldn't they implement the swipe (forward/back in safari, right?) with two fingers? They use that for up/down scrolling but do they use it for left/right?

TBH out of the gestures, the only one I'd appreciate would be the back/forward, as I miss having my old PC mouse with back/forward buttons on it. But they could do that on the current MB (I'm guessing)


the MBA is tricky - I want one but need to check it out in the real world before deciding, and there is no stock in the UK - not even display models. I'm tempted to just go out and buy a midrange MB to save me spending the extra money - but I don't want to regret it in a couple of months.
 
A sudden revelation

I woke up this morning (figuratively speaking) and realised something: the MBA is awesome.

So awesome, in fact, that only those who can't afford it are jealous and don't want others to own something that they can't own. If they could afford it (and let's face it, it aint cheap), they would purchase said laptop and be perfectly quiet, otherwise would be touting the glories of said laptop. But, lacking the finances, they go about throwing up arguments about how pithy the MBA is, comparing it (naturally, yet unreasonably) to other products to which comparison is overkill. It's like comparing King Kong to a teddy bear. Or Letterman to Leno. You heard me.

So, in honouring the title of this thread, there is a real point to the Macbook Air -- it's a fancy, chic must-have for the facy, chic populace out there. Either you're in, or you're out. Savvy?
 
Isn't this how all debates about the relative merits of Apple's products wind up? The cons throw up their hands in disgust and the pros tell the cons they're only con because they can't afford it and they are therefore envious of those who can.

It's not all about the money, brother. (By your spellings of "realised" and "honouring", I assume you're not an American, but I'll grant you honorary citizenship for taking the cash angle on this debate.) I could check my bank balance, but without looking, I'll estimate I can buy four of the hard drive models, not even notice in the household budget -- and we're far from wealthy. Over four, the bank might do a fraud-check call, and if they don't get me, they'll call my wife's mobile. And she'll wonder what I'm doing. I can pass off three as surprise presents, but the fourth, the youngest two kids are way too young to use as excuses for the fourth Air.

But, cut out the "you can't afford one so you're jealous of people who can" nonsense, you're absolutely right, and also merely restating my point from all along. The Air is "fancy, chic". It's fashion. Not a thing wrong with that.* Where it gets ridiculous is denying it's a fashion indulgence, defending it as the most practical Mac portable solution for some people, as it's not for anyone, really.

Me, I'm con. For one reason only: internal storage. I need more for my too much music; I want everything, all my data, media files and software on the beast. And I refuse to go back to managing two Macs, sync or Back to My Mac or anything else notwithstanding. But if there were a 160GB drive in there, or an option for one, I'd buy one and tell you straight: I'm overpaying for underpowered and feature-slashed because I think it's pretty and I want the pretty one, Mommy. Not: Because I've given it much thought and it's the perfect ultralight portable for the professional on the go in today's fast, fast, fast world where every millimeter thickness and every gram weight count times one hundred. Ha. I can't stop laughing.

*Point one, I'm about to pay about US$700 for a 1930s Corona Streamline, an extra $100 for excellent over very good condition -- I'm not a collector, either. I have this notion I'll use it, but as OCR software seems to have fairly well died out, I won't use it long unless I hire a typist to rekey the product of the Streamline into a Mac. But I'm still going to buy it, because impractical as it may be, it's stunningly gorgeous. Point two, I was going to pay a rather goofy sum of US$350 for the Ugobe Pleo for my young sons, until I read kids get bored with it after half an hour. (Wonder what the return policy is on those things; maybe the boys will take to it, and if not I could just return it, take a little hit on a restock fee or something.)

UPDATE: Oh, yeah, I tried. I stripped down, or calculated stripping down where it was too much trouble to pull things off and put them back, my MacBook. I come up with 3GB spare, max, not counting that about 1GB flex for temp files or some virtual memory deal or whatever it is. That's room for maybe two movies, temporarily, not counting at least 200MB a month in new music. 10GB, sure, I could probably talk myself into it. 3GB, no way. For me, I need the storage; that's the deal-killer here. So if I'm irate about anything, I'm irate they didn't wedge a 160GB 1.8" drive in there -- and I now they could have done it -- because that knocks the Air out for me.

I woke up this morning (figuratively speaking) and realised something: the MBA is awesome.

So awesome, in fact, that only those who can't afford it are jealous and don't want others to own something that they can't own. If they could afford it (and let's face it, it aint cheap), they would purchase said laptop and be perfectly quiet, otherwise would be touting the glories of said laptop. But, lacking the finances, they go about throwing up arguments about how pithy the MBA is, comparing it (naturally, yet unreasonably) to other products to which comparison is overkill. It's like comparing King Kong to a teddy bear. Or Letterman to Leno. You heard me.

So, in honouring the title of this thread, there is a real point to the Macbook Air -- it's a fancy, chic must-have for the facy, chic populace out there. Either you're in, or you're out. Savvy?
 
By 2010 you've bought your 3rd MBA for daily use, because of non-changeable battery. If you like to buy a whole laptop instead of new battery, just keep buing MBAs every year. Share holders will be pleased.

Are you the kind of person who complains about having to buy a new iPod when you battery life starts to go down?

You can just replace the battery. Apple will do it for you.
 
I could check my bank balance, but without looking, I'll estimate I can buy four of the hard drive models, not even notice in the household budget -- and we're far from wealthy. )

No, you're rich.

If you can afford almost 8,000 dollars, and not notice it, you're rich.
 
No, you're rich.

If you can afford almost 8,000 dollars, and not notice it, you're rich.

Okay, but not by local standards, which is my principal context. But I'm also almost 40. And you also have to consider I can afford that because we're not into expensive cars, so our car payments -- actually, when we had them; we paid them off -- and auto insurance are reasonable. We don't carry much credit debt. I don't want to get lost in a 4,000-square-foot suburban civic center masquerading as house or pay through the nose for a place in a trendy neighborhood done up in plywood, spray-on Styrofoam façade and PVC plumbing that will all fall down in five years, so we have a reasonable mortgage for a reasonably sized, 35-year-old townhouse made out of traditional building materials, not stuff that you can buy in a pressurized can at the Home Depot.

Our furniture is nice, a few nice antique pieces bargain-snagged, save the kitchen table finish and its chairs' upholstery need refurbishing due to kids -- anti-stain anything is a lie unless you're talking about using Thompson's Water Seal on the fabric. The kids' clothes are nice -- with the exception, our teen daughter's clothes *were* nice, but she's made, ah, modifications to them which mostly involve holes at the knees; also creating the future scenario in which future jeans and such will be not quite so pricey until she grows out of cutting holes into them.

We live well, to our standards, but there's a fair bit of material conservatism in there, too. We indulge where we wish, on quite a bit, but they're not the sort of things that impress neighbors. I do think the minimum income in this nation for families is too low by statute; but a family of four can live to a very high standard on $45,000 gross, in a fly-over-country city. I know, we used to do it on about that, years ago, adjusting our income then downward for former lower cost of living.

Sorry, that's all off-topic. The basic point is, if one can't easily afford US$2,000 for a fashion Mac, but one has an 18-month-old $50,000 SUV in the garage of a brand new mega-house with a $3,500 monthly mortgage payment, one has made one's choices, hasn't one?
 
It seems to me that everyone is missing the real point of the MacBook Air.

That is off topic too Sanford.

The thread is that everyone is missing the point about the MacBook Air.

Stuart in Oz has twigged it. He is right on the nail. Much of the discussion everywhere else in the forum threads is bogged down in detail.

Good one Stuart.
 
The MacBook Air is a "Concept" Computer

In the MacBook Air Apple has followed a tactic it has used before.

If you look back over time you will note that on several occasions Apple has produced an product that has been unusual to say the least. Consider the Cube as a good example.

Creating new ideas as progressive as the ones that Apple delivers is not easy and introducing such ideas to a skeptical public even harder. Perhaps Apple has borrowed from the car industry which unveils "concept" cars at motorshows across the world.

But Apple has been clever because while their "concept" computers push the boundaries in technological and design development they are still production items that people can buy.

Such products serve two important purposes firstly they drive development, smaller logic boards, etc, etc. and secondly they test the market introducing new ideas and products to the public.

By producing concept computers as production items Apple is able to recoup much of its development funding.

The cube was a specialist collectors item rather than a mainstream product but gave us a computer based on a compact 6" by 6" package which provided the basis for the second imac and the Mac mini.

Now we have a super lightweight slim laptop in MacBook Air that will be a showpiece for executive offices. More importantly it has driven the development of super slim laptop technology and incorporated a number of technological advances such as flash storage and full wireless communication.

We shouldn't look at the MacBook Air as a mainstream product and start to compare it with, say, Macbooks. We have missed the point.

Instead we should look at the MacBook Air and see that it gives us a glimpse of where computer development is going. We should also remember that many of the advances made in computer design and technology right from the very first desktop have come from Apple.
 
That is off topic too Sanford.

The thread is that everyone is missing the point about the MacBook Air.

Stuart in Oz has twigged it. He is right on the nail. Much of the discussion everywhere else in the forum threads is bogged down in detail.

Good one Stuart.


Russet, please don't treat me like my kids. "You just don't understand!". Of course I do, and I too, twigged it. Your Pismo is the perfect example. That machine was probably the best Apple ever made. It included video out, PCMCIA, FW, AND the best screen of the day. It was the "right" kind of out of the box.

The Air has one glaring fault. It is trusting an iPod like drive (unless you pay an extra $1000) to a computer that may have to run 8 hours of PowerPoint presentations. The darned thing is overpriced. Add to that the fact that you need to add a one lb external to have an optical, and the thing weighs as much as a MBP, and costs the same.

I appreciate "Apple cute" as much as anyone, but I am not going to put aside reason to accept anything they make as great, or even good. Priced at $1300, this is a "fine" machine. Not as great as the Pismo, which people still pay hundreds for, and use, but a fine machine. At $1800, you gotta be kidding.

I get it all right.

This just in
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=135A781CA29B4ECB9ADAD8E72CF6FD61

How fast will Apple lower the price on the Air, now?
 
Russet, please don't treat me like my kids. "You just don't understand!". Of course I do, and I too, twigged it. Your Pismo is the perfect example. That machine was probably the best Apple ever made. It included video out, PCMCIA, FW, AND the best screen of the day. It was the "right" kind of out of the box.

The Air has one glaring fault. It is trusting an iPod like drive (unless you pay an extra $1000) to a computer that may have to run 8 hours of PowerPoint presentations. The darned thing is overpriced. Add to that the fact that you need to add a one lb external to have an optical, and the thing weighs as much as a MBP, and costs the same.

I appreciate "Apple cute" as much as anyone, but I am not going to put aside reason to accept anything they make as great, or even good. Priced at $1300, this is a "fine" machine. Not as great as the Pismo, which people still pay hundreds for, and use, but a fine machine. At $1800, you gotta be kidding.

I get it all right.

This just in
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=135A781CA29B4ECB9ADAD8E72CF6FD61

How fast will Apple lower the price on the Air, now?

You are right Bob, the Pismo was/is a fine machine and still going strong. After all this time I am about to replace it with a new MacBook Pro. The Pismo, though fully upgraded, is now too slow, lacks RAM and hardrive capacity and being G3 cannot run up to date software. The batteries died years ago which has been a pain and the screen is now so dim it is difficult to work. I got seven good years out of it though - a marvellous machine.

It cost Aus$4,500 in 2001 (superceded by the G4 it was discounted from Aus$6,000), the new MBP is Aus$3,399 as a newly released model.

An interesting link you gave to the Lenovo and two interesting points:
1) They don't give dimensions of the machines.
2) The top model comes with XP and not Vista.

You are right the MacBook Air is expensive but I don't think it is meant to replace the MacBooks for a solid working machine doing PowerPoint presentations which I think was Stuart from Oz's original thought in this thread.
 
i'm probably one to have missed the point...

but in a different way.

Personally, I wish the MBA had come out sooner especially as a former 12" Powerbook owner and someone who's had real experience with subnotebooks (Toshiba Libretto L5, Sony PCG-SR127, Dell D420). I actually prefer them over normal laptops and desktop replacements. The 12" form factor was perfect in terms of usability (display/keyboard) but was still a bit heavy. The Sony and Toshiba had smaller keyboards and displays but not by much (10.5") but still were totally usable. Unfortunately, processing speed, memory, and storage were all sacrificed for size/weight.

As I see it, both the Macbooks and the MBP's are desktop replacements. Macbooks for the regular consumer, and MBP's for gamers and professionals or anyone in general who would utilize the discrete graphics chip. While I understand there aren't many who use or even see use in a subnotebook, I don't understand how there can be a comparison here. I have many friends who agree that from a price standpoint the MBA isn't a good deal, but if you look at other subnotebooks, the pricing is right on.

Do any of you even live in an urban environment like Manhattan or San Francisco where you walk, take the subway/train and bus everywhere? How about Seoul, London or Tokyo? Do you know what it feels like to have 3 extra pounds weighing you down? Or perhaps the space saved in your pack could be used for an extra t-shirt for after the gym. I remember when I lived in the city (Manhattan) there were times when I couldn't go back home until the end of the day. Meanwhile I had classes, gym.. and met up with friends for meals. There's no way in hell I'm going to carry my MBP with my textbooks and clothes to all those places. It's different now that I live in a suburban environment with a car and all.. but some things just sorta stuck with me.


* Size/weight and usability is the biggest factor for me as I like to travel and go about my daily business whether it's studying, relaxing at a cafe, or giving a client presentation. 3lbs DOES make a difference.

* HDD space is not a factor since I have all my media in some sort of PMP such as my iPod or Treo while I'm on the road. I do not need to have ALL my data with me at all times. Carrying all my media on my iPod/Treo and on my notebook while having the same data on my desktop is just totally redundant. I have external storage to deal with backups and daily use storage for my media.

* Power (batteries) has never been an issue. I HATE carrying extra stuff, so I've never EVER purchased an extra battery to carry around. I've had 8 notebooks within the past 8 years. Carrying an extra battery (in my opinion) is redundant because I always have my AC adapter with me. I try to charge whenever I can for the times when I can't be tethered to an outlet. Although, I can understand having an extra battery would be useful for those who travel air often.

* Having an OPTICAL MEDIA drive built-in is a convenience. But again, I've purchased external drives for both my Toshiba and Sony subnotebooks and found that I've never traveled with it. Ever. Watching DVD's on the road means I gotta carry DVDs. It's just more stuff to carry around (and lose or break). I'd rather just rip the thing onto my HDD and delete it after watching.. or better yet nowadays I can just DL or stream it. And today, iTunes rentals makes it even easier. Have I mentioned I hate carrying extra stuff that'll weigh me down?

*Wireless access is almost ubiquitous in urban environments. Seriously I've had t-mobile's hotspot since day one of it being released. I can count 7 Starbucks locations on my way to school. School is 5 miles away. I don't program (can't imagine anyone doing coding on this thing) nor do I use ethernet at home. With ATT's takeover of Tmobiles hotspot, you have even more locations (zomg mcdonalds... and borders and b&n) People can cry about security, but honestly.. I don't do my banking and stuff unless I'm at home.
 
but in a different way.




* Size/weight and usability is the biggest factor for me as I like to travel and go about my daily business whether it's studying, relaxing at a cafe, or giving a client presentation. 3lbs DOES make a difference.

*Wireless access is almost ubiquitous in urban environments. Seriously I've had t-mobile's hotspot since day one of it being released. I can count 7 Starbucks locations on my way to school. School is 5 miles away. I don't program (can't imagine anyone doing coding on this thing) nor do I use ethernet at home. With ATT's takeover of Tmobiles hotspot, you have even more locations (zomg mcdonalds... and borders and b&n) People can cry about security, but honestly.. I don't do my banking and stuff unless I'm at home.

This was a good reply for me. Cleared up a lot about who would want one? BUT, did you buy one, or would you? Is the price not too high for this product? Again, I am waiting for the price drop, ala iPhone. Maybe 30 days.
 
The real point of the Air is to provide a product that some people will find meets their needs - whether functional and/or aesthetic - and which they will therefore buy and generally be happy with.
 
It's the PORTability...

but in a different way.
Do any of you even live in an urban environment like Manhattan or San Francisco where you walk, take the subway/train and bus everywhere? How about Seoul, London or Tokyo? Do you know what it feels like to have 3 extra pounds weighing you down? Or perhaps the space saved in your pack could be used for an extra t-shirt for after the gym. I remember when I lived in the city (Manhattan) there were times when I couldn't go back home until the end of the day. Meanwhile I had classes, gym.. and met up with friends for meals. There's no way in hell I'm going to carry my MBP with my textbooks and clothes to all those places. It's different now that I live in a suburban environment with a car and all.. but some things just sorta stuck with me.

My situation exactly--I'm moving all over Osaka and neighboring cities nearly every day, working on trains, buses, taxis, park benches, coffee shops. As you young guys get deep into middle age, especially if you don't work out as much as ideal, your back will appreciate dearly your efforts to shed some of the weight you tote from morning to night.

Obviously the MBP and even the MB have a lot more bang for the buck as far as power/functions/IO go, but the MBA offers real portability. Since 90% of my Mac use is Word, PowerPoint, web browsing, e-mail and a bit of iTunes tweaking, I'm guessing that the MBA will have plenty enuf power for me.
 
How are you adjusting to the footprint of the MBA? I find that while full-size screen and keyboard are perfect (no complaints there)... I think they could have done better around the sides of the keyboard and bezel. They could have shaved a full inch on the sides and still have space left!

I think that the bezel is just a compromise resulting from the MBA's extreme thinness, they needed some extra space on the sides.
 
How are you adjusting to the footprint of the MBA? I find that while full-size screen and keyboard are perfect (no complaints there)... I think they could have done better around the sides of the keyboard and bezel. They could have shaved a full inch on the sides and still have space left!

Actually, won't make a purchase until around June/July. Have been using my 12" PB for nearly 4 years, which is perfect for sharing train seats and not invading seat partner's 'space.' The 12's keyboard is just fine for me, not cramped for my relatively big fingers.

As others have noted, the unwanted bezel around both keyboard and screen are surely due to Steve's bizarre thinness fetish. Oh well...
 
the real point of the macbook air...

that everyone is forgetting.

Not sure if anyone has pointed out that the people apple is probably targeting for the macbook air is not you and i... but, the rest of the world. let me explain... of all people who has a laptop or a desktop, there's another group of people out there who doesn't have a computer, yet... for one reason or another. i think that's where the macbook air comes in. i know people have argued the merits of the MA as a good 2nd computer, or, a de-facto 2nd computer, in fact, arguing that it's too "thin" in features and flexibility to be the only computer. But, what if the MA is a good 1st computer? i mean, off-the-bat, the macbook air is a competent machine with every feature you need to start wi-fi-ing and whatnot. not that wi-fi is the end all be all of what makes a good computer. i am just using it as an example of one feature that the macbook can do with an infrastructure already built in for air-owners to take advantage of. i mean, to me, the macbook air is like living in the city and using public transportation to get around. whereas, a regular macbook or macbook pro might like driving in with your car and having to worry about parking and that stuff that comes with owning a car and needing a car. just a thought...
 
For me, the MBA is my only computer. Obviously I am not a 'heavy user' like some of you out there. Ocasionally watch a movie, play a round of Tiger Woods 05 as I couldnt get 08 running, internet, email and that sort of thing. So for me the MBA is the most perfect computer that I have ever used and I love it. You can also bet your a@@ I love it when someone comes up to me and drools over my MBA only becuse it gives me a chance to show off this technological wonder and convert another Windows user to Mac !!!!! :D
 
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