The REAL reason you cannot downgrade

[I7guy]

And for all the people saying offering downgrades is simply impossible:

At this moment, Apple is still signing iOS 4.1 (which came out in 2010!) for the iPhone 3GS, even though the most recent firmware is iOS 6.1.3! Thus, downgrading an iPhone 3GS from iOS 6.1.3 to 4.1 is perfectly possible (and can be done through iTunes)! There is NO reason Apple couldn't do the same for iOS 7 to iOS 6 for iPhone 4, 4S and 5. Oh, maybe there is: they want to limit customer choice and prevent jailbreaking. Why do people accept Apple's lies? Apple could enable iOS downgrades with the flip of a switch (it's literally THAT simple). Go and read some stuff about SHSH blobs and Aptickets, Apple CAN make downgrades possible. PLEASE, don't start whining about how YOU don't need or want downgrades to be possible: it wouldn't hurt you in ANY way if downgrades were possible. If you're worried about activation lock, there are more ways to circumvent it apart from jailbreaking.

Yes, and one of the reasons for that as I understand it, is because jailbreaking can allow for stealing from the app store.

 

[rickkreuk]

Yes, and one of the reasons for that as I understand it, is because jailbreaking can allow for stealing from the app store.

Try going to 25pp.com: http://youtu.be/7PSScMfDDRE ! Jailbreaking is not the only way to obtain pirated apps. Plus, jailbreaking allows for so much more than just pirating apps (which few people do anyway, as a loss of jailbreak=loss of app data)! A few examples: theming, installing new functionality, changing things you don't like... Everything's possible when jailbroken! So don't start crying about how jailbreaking makes us all thieves. There is no reason why jailbreaking should be linked to piracy, as 25pp proves your argument is invalid.

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Well said, but wasted words. There's no reasoning with people who have emotional attachments to a corporation.

I have an emotional attachment to Apple as well, I was obsessed with Apple! That's why iOS 7 bothers me so much. iOS 6 was near perfect, but iOS 7 is a disaster.

 

[I7guy]

Try going to 25pp.com: http://youtu.be/7PSScMfDDRE ! Jailbreaking is not the only way to obtain pirated apps. Plus, jailbreaking allows for so much more than just pirating apps (which few people do anyway, as a loss of jailbreak=loss of app data)! A few examples: theming, installing new functionality, changing things you don't like... Everything's possible when jailbroken! So don't start crying about how jailbreaking makes us all thieves. There is no reason why jailbreaking should be linked to piracy, as 25pp proves your argument is invalid.

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I have an emotional attachment to Apple as well, I was obsessed with Apple! That's why iOS 7 bothers me so much. iOS 6 was near perfect, but iOS 7 is a disaster.

But it is one way and stealing is stealing. The only other way to get an pirated app without jailbreaking, as I understand it, is to go to a website that has an enterprise certificate that let's one install apps from the website. However, apple can monitor what is going on and revoke the certificate; so there is some measure of control there.

I personally don't care if you jailbreak your own phones and what your moral compass is, however I can see why apple would want to prevent jailbreaking on their devices.

 

[Solitude1984]

I personally love iOS 7 on both my iPhone 5s and on my iPad 4. That being said, knowing that downgrading would not be possible, I did not upgrade my mom's iPod, my husband's iPhone 4 (which he uses as an iPod), or my husband's iPad 2. I waited for a while before upgrading my iPad because I wanted a sense of what the pros and cons of an upgrade were, particularly an early upgrade.

I don't think Apple should allow downgrades, BUT I also don't think they should force upgrades when people need to restore their devices. To me, that is just wrong.

 

[Solitude1984]

You did. You said that people downgrading to iOS6 would cause developers to allocate resources to maintenance of old versions. It was the centerpiece of your post.


No, I don't have that. When I pick an artist, I get ALL of the songs of that artist at once with no alphabetic scroller. It's ridiculous on an mp3 player that costs 430€ (590 USD) in Europe. And it worked just fine prior to the iOS7 update.


I think you're wrong there. It's not what's best for the users, just about what's best for Apple's marketing campaign. iOS7 is like Windows Vista, but Vista users were able do downgrade, causing negative press. Apple however can praise the high adoption rate of iOS7 even though users are displeased with it.


The iOS7 music app is not the future, it's the past. It's a fall-back to late 1990's mp3 players that had no proper menu structure and support for large music libraries. I seriously consider iOS7 to be a vastly inferior OS for mp3 players than iOS6 was.

I don't personally use the stock music app, but I did a little searching to see if there is anything that can replace it on your iPod. An app called Picky has a lot of great reviews online. Here is the link for it in the App Store ....

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/picky-filter-browse-play-your/id497110916?mt=8

I'm not affiliated with this app in any way, by the way.

 

[rickkreuk]

I don't personally use the stock music app, but I did a little searching to see if there is anything that can replace it on your iPod. An app called Picky has a lot of great reviews online. Here is the link for it in the App Store ....

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/picky-filter-browse-play-your/id497110916?mt=8

I'm not affiliated with this app in any way, by the way.

A non-stock music app can never be a full replacement. For example: Siri has no control over any music app except for the stock one.

 

[Solitude1984]

The REAL reason you cannot downgrade

A non-stock music app can never be a full replacement. For example: Siri has no control over any music app except for the stock one.

I didn't say it was a full replacement necessarily, though it could be for some people. But if the music app is unusable to someone, you have to come up with an alternative. Hopefully Apple will fix it, but who knows how long that will take. It's better than not being able to use your device at all because it frustrates you so much. That's the beauty of the App Store. If a stock app doesn't suit your needs, there is a high likelihood that you can find a third-party app that does.

I hate the stock calendar app, for example. In my opinion it is unusable. I have a 3rd party calendar app that is a million times better. Is it integrated with Siri? Not directly, no. Is the icon able to change as the days change? No, though you can have the date showing as a badge. Would I like it to be fully integrated into the system? Sure, but I still love the calendar app I use, and the lack of full integration is certainly not a deal breaker for me.