throttling is NOT normal UNDER load. Please do a bit of research when you talk here.
The dell i have tested on is a XPS M1730
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throttling is NOT normal UNDER load. Please do a bit of research when you talk here.
The dell i have tested on is a XPS M1730
throttling is perfectly normal under load if the computer can't take it without causting damage to the components.
again, i'm sure you'd rather have a working laptop than a unibody paperweight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedStep
http://www.overclock.net/faqs/44005-info-intel-speedstep-technology-thermal-throttling.html
Your XPS M1730 is HUGE compared to a MacBook Pro, and they both meet intels requirements for cooling the components inside, but a 1730 isn't under an inch thick and is bulky. My friend has one.
I've done my research, this kind of throttling has been around since P4's and Celeron's and before.
It's a protective measure for mobile chips which intel expects are run in small cramped spaces, like that MBP you own.
Like I said also, desktop chips do this too, these chips are smarter than you at what they can handle, let them do their job and stop complaining about something that isn't faulty.
again, i'm sure you'd rather have a working laptop than a unibody paperweight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedStep
http://www.overclock.net/faqs/44005-info-intel-speedstep-technology-thermal-throttling.html
Your XPS M1730 is HUGE compared to a MacBook Pro, and they both meet intels requirements for cooling the components inside, but a 1730 isn't under an inch thick and is bulky. My friend has one.
I've done my research, this kind of throttling has been around since P4's and Celeron's and before.
It's a protective measure for mobile chips which intel expects are run in small cramped spaces, like that MBP you own.
Like I said also, desktop chips do this too, these chips are smarter than you at what they can handle, let them do their job and stop complaining about something that isn't faulty.
Then why does it in the first place it have to do that? THAT IS BECAUSE APPLE DIDN'T DO HIS JOB PROPERLY AND DESIGN SOME PROPER COOLING
is what you do all day run prime x2 and a gpu benchmark at the same time? is that what you bought this computer for? i sure hope not.
how about you use it and let us know if you run into this ever being a problem, and if it is, go buy yourself an M1730 (which has the same technology in that cpu it's packing) which you love so much...
how about you use it and let us know if you run into this ever being a problem, and if it is, go buy yourself an M1730 (which has the same technology in that cpu it's packing) which you love so much...
Good news. Gentlmen, i think i have got the throttling problem solved by installing the latest nForce driver for the chipset from Nvidia.
Now the fan still buzzing. I think i may call for a replacment , rather than a refund. As i reli love this computer
Now the fan still buzzing. I think i may call for a replacment , rather than a refund. As i reli love this computer
Dude...seriously, c'mon.
You're just wasting forum space now. Apple designed the laptop just fine. intel designed the chip just fine. What you're complaining about is an automated process designed to stop the chips from overheating and NOT WORKING AT ALL.
Bigger laptops do not heat up as much. This is simple math (surface area, heat spread over it...and all that jargon). Basically, the bigger the laptop, the easier it is to cool.
Please please stop going on. If you do not like this feature, take the darn thing back. You're just looking for faults now, and if you came into a store that I worked in, I'd tell you the same thing and refuse to replace the machine since there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
So hush. Go buy a dell, or weep elsewhere. Either that, or simply stop running these two bloody programs (that have NO use in everyday computing - meaning word processing, internet, music listening, playing games). You do not, every morning, go to your computer and run these two programs.
Stop.
You're just wasting forum space now. Apple designed the laptop just fine. intel designed the chip just fine. What you're complaining about is an automated process designed to stop the chips from overheating and NOT WORKING AT ALL.
Bigger laptops do not heat up as much. This is simple math (surface area, heat spread over it...and all that jargon). Basically, the bigger the laptop, the easier it is to cool.
Please please stop going on. If you do not like this feature, take the darn thing back. You're just looking for faults now, and if you came into a store that I worked in, I'd tell you the same thing and refuse to replace the machine since there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
So hush. Go buy a dell, or weep elsewhere. Either that, or simply stop running these two bloody programs (that have NO use in everyday computing - meaning word processing, internet, music listening, playing games). You do not, every morning, go to your computer and run these two programs.
Stop.
This is a feature of the processor, again, not even PC BIOS' on laptops or desktops can turn off the feature that turns down the speed when things get too hot.
It is smarter than you at knowing what it can and can't handle.
Which would you rather have:
1) Unibody MacBook Pro (full warranty etc.)
2) Unibody PaperWeight (no warranty because it's your fault it died)
There's a reason you don't see this 'issue' mentioned anywhere else, and it's because it's a feature of all processors, amd, intel, via, ibm... they all do the same thing.
It is smarter than you at knowing what it can and can't handle.
Which would you rather have:
1) Unibody MacBook Pro (full warranty etc.)
2) Unibody PaperWeight (no warranty because it's your fault it died)
There's a reason you don't see this 'issue' mentioned anywhere else, and it's because it's a feature of all processors, amd, intel, via, ibm... they all do the same thing.
The happy unibody story
Dear friends, this is my unibody* story.
First one:
Everything works perfect.
Super silent.
Nearly no fan noise.
Especially the 9400M is extremely silent.
Love the beautiful, glossy, crisp display.
Wonderful keyboard. Superior to the one on the old MBP.
Fast and snappy.
Replacement Unit:
Hopefully never.
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Dear lscangus, have your machine replaced again. You didn't pay Apple top$ to experience faulty hardware. Good luck.
* Unibody MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, 4GB RAM.
Dear friends, this is my unibody* story.
First one:
Everything works perfect.
Super silent.
Nearly no fan noise.
Especially the 9400M is extremely silent.
Love the beautiful, glossy, crisp display.
Wonderful keyboard. Superior to the one on the old MBP.
Fast and snappy.
Replacement Unit:
Hopefully never.
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Dear lscangus, have your machine replaced again. You didn't pay Apple top$ to experience faulty hardware. Good luck.
* Unibody MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, 4GB RAM.
Please stop.
You're wasting your time complaining about a feature that is there to protect you computer.
No one in their right mind would replace your computer for this reason alone.
one of my relatives has the new unibody MB that he abuses with normal usage (internet, chat, itunes, etc etc)...no problems. This is the usage pattern that is expected from a laptop...atleast from 95% of users.
If you want to encode 1080p HD movies all day long, get a Mac Pro.
If you want to encode 1080p HD movies all day long, get a Mac Pro.
what kind of logic is wanting your chip that you're ABUSING to fry itself just so you can have a pretty paperweight and then come here and complain about how it's all apple's fault you blew your machine up.
thank god for the THERMAL PROTECTION AND SPEEDSTEP on the processors, because you won't have to make it because it's a FEATURE OF THE CHIP!
thank god for the THERMAL PROTECTION AND SPEEDSTEP on the processors, because you won't have to make it because it's a FEATURE OF THE CHIP!
I've been keeping track of this thread, and it seems as though I'm having the same problem as the OP, but under "real world" circumstances. If anyone could offer any help, it would be greatly appreciated. You can find the thread I started here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6700453#post6700453
Sure its a feature, but the CPU should only have to use it if something is wrong, e.g. a defective fan or maybe a very hot summer.
No normal PC or laptop should have to use it in any case of normal using (Prime and Furmark I would not consider "normal use" by the way). For example rendering is quite a normal scenario of using a MBP (I do it with mine).
I think its just a cooling design flaw by making it thinner and thinner and thinner!
My early 08 2.5 penryn even stays cool under XP rendering via VRAY, fans dont even kick in and it stays around 65°!
So dont tell people a slow laptop is a nice feature- people should be able to use it for their work and not just browsing the web as some may do with their MBP!
Same as anyone else would say, if it is an issue doing normal things, then it would imply something might be wrong with the Unibody on the inside even and could cause weird air flow/detection issues, if you call up AppleCare or go to your store and explain the issue, try and get it repaired or a replacement.
What the OP is talking about is not a flaw though, it is a design feature of the chip, and is working exactly as it was intended.
If there is an issue with your machine under normal use, then have it looked at, get it replaced whatever, what this guy is doing is causing it excessive strain, beyond what any normal use would do, and yes, even for me that includes heave ps work, and 3dsmax on the vista x64 side and compiling in visual studio 2008; all pretty heavy tasks.
I'm also a gamer, not as heavy as I used to be, I leave that for my consoles, I do play some WoW though and I've never had a problem there either, some people are reporting issues with problems with the enclosure, maybe this is an inside issue? causing it to act strangely? (in your case, not his)
Like I said above, the throttling is a design feature of any laptop ever, if it doesn't think it can take whatever is going on, you're going to see it throttle, it might not be your preferred choice but it'll get the work done, albeit slower (but cooler); there are ways to force it off on a custom PC desktop per-say, but i wouldn't recommend it there either.
Just curious, what kind of settings are you running WOW under? Are you playing it at the highest settings? For how long?
If your computer doesn't stutter like mine, then I'm sure there is something wrong. Honestly, I was thinking about just putting up with it, but if you can run the game flawlessly with the base mbp, then I need to get it checked out.
If yours is stuttering then it does sound like something is wrong; get it checked out. These Unibodies aren't exactly 100% based on a lot of these threads here.
My friends play WoW on it for a lot longer than me, a few hours in a row.
I always have VMWare Fusion w/ XP and VS2008 loaded, Firefox 3.1b1, iTunes, and Word loaded on mine though, they open on startup actually; and all of that on top of one another isn't exactly light usage.
Excess strain? It never get beyond 100%. That is a TEST to SIMULATE, but i have done a test using REAL-LIFE GAMING APPLICATION to create the LOG. I play the NEED FOR SPEED, of course that is not a real life application. As it will cause it to activate the NICE BONUS FEATURE that APPLE gave me for FREE!
Apparently, according to him , it is a a addon bonus feature! Your MBP actually runs slower than what we have advertised! WOW, that is a very very nice feature!
nVidia post their temp limit at 105C. Turns out that equates to about 6 months of life. The nVidia has stated that they will not be responsible for any abuse to include excessive gaming or anything else that places stress on their video cards. In short, their cards are actually rated around 85C for 10 years plus, but they won't publish that anymore to complete against ATI. I saw this coming 12 months ago with the 9000 series. Turns out that nVidia cards are failing now on the graphics memory side and chipset side, not just the GPU.
In good news, nVidia might actually solve this problem by spring of next year. Until then my year long wait to buy a reliable mbp will keep rolling until apple either gets an ATI card or is no longer plagued by the nVidia problems.
In good news, nVidia might actually solve this problem by spring of next year. Until then my year long wait to buy a reliable mbp will keep rolling until apple either gets an ATI card or is no longer plagued by the nVidia problems.
You were complaining about a totally different thing before, of course Prime95 and a GPU benchmark together will load a system beyond it's max; that's their purpose, complaining about the system not handling it is ridiculous.
Does the game slow the system to a crawl? Does the machine freeze? Screen go dark? Those are the symptoms of a faulty part, not throttling under load (which is a feature of the design and no matter if you get a "fixed" machine or not, this will still happen under extreme load/temperatures)...
I really don't know where you've been with computers the last... err... ever? But if you think all things run as their advertised you must think that the 250GB hard drive actually formats to 250GB, or that these companies would rather you kill their product and possibly not buy another one instead of implementing these stepping/thermal technologies to protect your investment and their company name...
If you hate this machine so much and think it's so incredibly faulted get it replaced and stop whining, posting here isn't going to fix it. Calling Apple will.
Your show of overclocking voids your warranty btw, I'd love to see Apple tell you 'too bad, so sad' after all of this. Not to mention you somehow think that throttling the chip makes Apple/Intel liars and terrible companies... in that case, so are all chip manufacturers and all computer makers, because they all incorporate this technology in some form or another...
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Also, can you post the nVidia article for this? If this were true it'd be the 8600GT fiasco all over again, if not worse, that'd mean all of these newly released products are faulty from the start. I really can't bring myself to believe this...
u have to get this clear, throttling SHOULD happen under extreme TEMP, but NOT extreme LOAD.
I Love this machine, but is NVIDIA ( Probably ) let us down! And APPLE, should know this b4 hand. I think Apple should have tested their products at a deeper perspectives and have their QC working. As other than these, there are lots and lots of stupid defects, like chipped case, battery cover, crooked keys, uneven trackpad....
Ampidire...the references are in the base specs documents in regards to CPUs and GPUs chemical design structures. It took me damn near three months digging through all those documents to find that stuff. Tag, your turn if you care that much. (plus, it's on my desktop in Japan, I'm deployed in Qatar) Also, I shot an email to Apple in regards to it since that will do a little more good.
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