Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
NO. :eek:

Now if you could connect to a server and play online with your PSN friends while using physical gaming controller to actually make it competitive..I could get into that.
I actually prefer the virtual controls over the physical, but that's probably because I've never gotten entirely used to the Xbox's or PS3's controllers. Again, I'm just a casual gamer. Not hardcore. I never have and probably never will be. :D
 
Fail. If you're over 12 years of age, you shouldn't be caught dead with a PSP in your hands. This is taking a PSP and slapping a phone onto it.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Android on a PS Phone sounds... strange? I'd have thought Sony would have chosen to roll their own mobile OS based on XMB, rather than have to potentially find a way to integrate that and it's own mobile PSN. It will be interesting to see how they take advantage (or not) of the Android marketplace.
 
So a developer can write a game for the entire Android market. But instead he might choose to create a title for this one particular handset with buttons. He would be faced with the difficult choice of between 100% of the pie and 5%.

It might work, if there are game developers who are that not motivated by making money.

What a stupid argument. Developers are making games and apps for Windows Phone 7, and it has ZERO % of the pie.


Never mentioned Android market.

But there's a difference between not allowing access to Android market, and replacing it with an entirely private marketplace for your own applications. Google's motivation in creating Android is to generate revenue for themselves. They didn't do it for world peace.

I can't think of an Android device that connects to a private paid content network, where Google have no share of the revenue. That might seem to Google as someone stealing their OS.

C.

LOL clueless as usual. Just stop posting in this thread for your own sake. You don't know anything about gaming and you dont know anything about android either. This is thread is starting to turn into a showcase of your total ignorance.

FYI there are motorola handsets that use Android OS that connect to a different paid market in China. Go ahead google it. Even if google prohibited another market to be on the phone (which they dont), that doesnt stop paid apps from being sideloaded onto an android device.
 
What a stupid argument. Developers are making games and apps for Windows Phone 7, and it has ZERO % of the pie.

Some developers are stupid I guess.

So let's get this straight...

This magical Sony phone - is actually entirely Google reference hardware with a couple of "HARDCORE" buttons. The software is entirely Google's Android, running a PSP emulator app. And all Sony do is rip out Google marketplace and plug in their PSN. They then sit back and take all the money.

From an external point of view it looks like Google have done all the real work and Sony want all the real money. It does not seem much like an equitable partnership to me.


C.
 
Some developers are stupid I guess.

So let's get this straight...

This magical Sony phone - is actually entirely Google reference hardware with a couple of "HARDCORE" buttons. The software is entirely Google's Android, running a PSP emulator app. And all Sony do is rip out Google marketplace and plug in their PSN. They then sit back and take all the money.

From an external point of view it looks like Google have done all the real work and Sony want all the real money. It does not seem much like an equitable partnership to me.


C.

Lol. OK. You just don't understand. Everyone time one of your points get refuted, you come up with an even more ridiculous one.
 
Some developers are stupid I guess.

No, just you. You are still claiming that you're a game developer that sold a million copies of a racing game featuring well known video game characters right? ;)

So let's get this straight...

This magical Sony phone - is actually entirely Google reference hardware with a couple of "HARDCORE" buttons. The software is entirely Google's Android, running a PSP emulator app. And all Sony do is rip out Google marketplace and plug in their PSN. They then sit back and take all the money.

I'm only replying because its fun making you look dumb. First of all there is no "google reference hardware." Second, according to the rumor this PSP phone device will come with android market. In fact the PSP games will be hosted in a special area of android market for PSP compatible devices.

From an external point of view it looks like Google have done all the real work and Sony want all the real money. It does not seem much like an equitable partnership to me.


C.

You're the only one that thinks that.
 
Hopefully this makes it to market as an official add-on from Apple:

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-amazing-gaming-accessories-in-the-works.html

Kind of like this, but approved by Apple: http://www.icontrolpad.com/

You would have to be a special breed of dork to carry around a PSP Phone. Sorry. :D

At least you can take an accessory like the iControlPad off when you are done with it on the toilet.

You know what's dorky? People playing games in using an accelerometer. I see it all the time.

The only way someone would know you're playing games with a PSP phone device is if they're looking over your shoulder.
 
No, just you. You are still claiming that you're a game developer that sold a million copies of a racing game featuring well known video game characters right? ;)

I said I worked on it. My name is in the credits.

I have been making games since 1985.
Amusingly enough, I am currently doing a title that will appear on PSP.

What do you do for a living?

C.
 
Lol. OK. You just don't understand. Everyone time one of your points get refuted, you come up with an even more ridiculous one.

I don't see any any actual refuting.

My description of this device is what the Endgadget rumor says; A vanilla Android device - with a slide out hardware button pad. It could not have the PSP chipset. It would only allow PSP games to run that are either ported or running on an emulator (because the CPU and GPU architecture on Android are completely different).

It might appear under the Experia brand. But I really doubt that Sony would allow SE to put the Playstation brand on it. Because in terms of hardware (and OS) It's not really a product created from Sony's engineering teams.

And would a game developer be expect to share 30% of his revenues with Google and another 30% with Sony?

There's too much about this rumor that does not add up.

C.
 
Not that I expected it to be released for THIS year, but looks like no PSP phone for 2010. Cool, I have more time to save money. Shifting my focus to the Nintendo 3DS and Nokia N9.

Sony blatantly rejects rumors of PlayStation-branded phone

Mike Luttrell | Fri 10th Sep 2010, 06:59 am

High-flying rumors that Sony was working on a "PSP phone" have been put to rest by Sony, sort of...

In an interview with the Seattle Times, Sony Computer Entertainment America senior VP Peter Dille said, "No new mobile launches this year."

That was in response to a question about the speculation that popped up last month about a mobile phone that would look and feel like a PSP but would in fact have a mobile phone antenna and Google's Android operating system.

Although most suggested it would be a genius move for Sony, and the idea spread that the device was heading for a 2010 release, it doesn't seem to be in the company's immediate pipeline.

But of course, Dille didn't stamp out the idea completely. He just said that Sony's Playstation brand is not putting out any new devices "this year." He didn't outright turn away the idea of a Playstation phone.

"Our strategy is to maintain the PlayStation brand on Sony devices and provide experiences that are exclusive and proprietary," added Dille.

The last mobile hardware launch for Sony Computer Entertainment, the PSPgo, was an unmitigated disaster. Surely Sony wants to be extra careful before it goes beyond its normal scope again to avoid a similar backlash.

I say patience. If they release a PSP 2, have a phone variation of it too. The current battery technology is not quite ready for a console-style, gaming phone THIS year just yet. I've had a longer history with Sony products than Apple products in my life, and want to see Sony return to their glory days. People sometimes forget some of the amazing things they have done and invented for us over the last few decades in multimedia. Right now, it is a mess at Sony. Ken Kutaragi (aka "The Father of PlayStation") needs to come back and take the reins. I want to see Sony make a dramatic comeback like Nintendo did with the Wii after some lackluster sales with the N64 and GameCube. But this future SE PSP phone needs to truly kick ass if it wants to carry the PlayStation brand name after not finishing first place in sales with the PSP and PlayStation 3. I truly believe Sony on making that comeback and be the only company that can truly usher in uncensored, console-style gaming with movie-like experiences in the cell phone industry. I would be content with some God of War mini-games too. :D

kratos-badass.jpg



SONY - WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
http://www.robert-alonso.com/2008/11/12/sony-what-happened-to-you/

Sony – What Happened To You?
Robert Alonso under Hardware, Opinions

It is amazing to me how far Sony has fallen from the dominance that it once had in consumer electronics. In the 1980s and 90s, Sony’s Walkman and Discman were must-have toys. Everyone that I knew, either had one or wanted one. If instead, you preferred large "boom boxes" that could drown out all other sounds within half a city block, Sony made those too.

Apple is the new Sony when it comes to portable music devices. Sony lost its dominance by allowing Apple to be hipper and to deliver a better music experience. It is doubtful that Sony can dethrone Apple any time soon. Apple appears to have learned from Sony’s folly and competes with itself by introducing new more exciting products each year–something that Sony did not do.

When Sony achieved some attention in the computer business, it sold expensive desktops and notebooks called VAIOs. This acronym stood for Video Audio Integrated Operation. I thought it was an excellent idea. Sony was going to make the PC an exciting platform for audio and video. This acronym was introduced in 1998, years ahead of the PC becoming a multimedia platform. Here, Sony would have had the lead and perhaps dominance if it were not for the fact that the machines were and continue to be prohibitively expensive. You can get a PC or notebook with equivalent specifications for a third to a half what Sony charges.

It seems that Sony is abandoning the original meaning of VAIO. They are now saying that it means, Visual Audio Intelligent Organizer. This new meaning will be applied to a new level of software and product integration. Who knows, maybe there is hope for Sony still? It will undoubtedly be difficult for them to catch up to Dell, HP, Lenovo and Acer in terms of products and market penetration. They have also expressed their unwillingness to compete in the netbook area where Asus and Acer are now dominating.

The Sony record on video is also haphazard. It lost the Betamax vs VHS format war in the mid 80s. This in spite of the fact that Betamax was introduced one year before VHS and was a superior format. The HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray format war has been won by Sony, but the format has not caught on. The high price and market dominance of DVDs have stalled Sony’s efforts in this market. The fact that you can purchase a DVD player with technology that scales the video to high definition levels for under $50 has certainly had an impact on Blu-Ray sales.

Likewise, Sony failed to anticipate the popularity of flat-screen televisions. It was so dominant with the Sony Trinitron TVs, that it ignored the demand for the newer technologies. It entered the market late and was forced to repackage Samsung LCDs with the Sony logo on it. When they did this, the market was dominated by Sharp–a company that was always known in the past as a tiny, low-quality competitor. Now, Sony is faced with many competitors that have better or equal products for half the cost of an equivalent Sony product.

The last consumer oriented segment that Sony is losing is the game machine market. Sony got into this market late, but managed to beat out many very successful competitors with its PlayStation (1994) and PlayStation 2 product lines. These game machines were the first to exceed sales of 100 million units. Unfortunately for Sony, it now has two very significant competitors in this market. Microsoft has entered the market with its Xbox and Xbox 360 product and Nintendo has entered the market with a low cost game machine called the Wii. Sony is getting squeezed from the bottom by the Wii and is getting pressured by Microsoft to lower the price of the PlayStation 3. Sony is in a very difficult position. The inclusion of Blu-Ray in the PlayStation 3 helped it win the format war with HD-DVD, but makes it difficult for the game machine to be competitive with Microsoft and Nintendo. We will see how this works itself out in the next year.

So I go back to the title of this post, Sony, what happened to you? How could you be dominant in so many consumer electronics product categories and lose on almost all counts? What will you do to regain your greatness? Maybe you should merge with Apple and have Steve Jobs direct your efforts.
 
I say patience.

I say BS.

Sony's Playstation team are never going to put the Playstation Logo on a device designed and developed by another company. They want to build it from scratch with their own engineers as always.

Their current handheld gaming strategy is in a poor shape. They are admitting as such. If Sony are smart, a PSP2 might be in development.

I'd expect a new PSP to put gaming (or even hardcore gaming) front and center. The form-factor for a great phone and a great gaming handheld are just too different. So I don't expect a converged device.

So while it might have a cellular modem (like the iPad), I really doubt it would look like a phone. Because that would compromise it too much.

I think Sony Ericsson would dearly like to make an Android phone with a PS logo on it - just as they made phones with Walkman logos. But as long as Sony considers the Playstation brand to be the crown jewels, this won't happen.

C.
@carniphage
 
This would be a good move by Sony, the only thing the PSP is lacking is a phone so if they include that they will get some major hype behind this. Also, I can't help but laugh at how most people here say the PSP is a failure and then praise the iPhone/Touch in regards to gaming. The PSP has sold 60 million units in a market that Nintendo has dominated for decades, thats a massive achievement. It also has a lot of killer titles that destroy any game that is and will ever appear on the iPhone/Touch.

The iPhone will never be a serious gaming device in its current state for two reasons, distribution and interface. I know we all love digital downloads but if you want a true portable gaming machine that is globally successful you need physical media, we haven't reached the point for a digital only gaming machine yet since real games require a lot of memory and are played all around the world. Not everyone has a wireless broadband.

Secondly, the interface is terrible for gaming on the iPhone. You need buttons for gaming, thats a fact and can't be argued. The fact that iPhone games have on screen analogs and buttons is proof of this, its trying to imitate buttons but it fails because it lacks tactile feedback and is unresponsive. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is an incredible device with some decent games that are good for ten minutes bursts of time, but a serious gaming machine it is not and will never be.

Sony have sold over 300+ million units under the Playstation brand name so I think they know what they're doing when it comes to gaming. The only reason you see the PSP struggling right now is because it is severely lacking in software and there is only one reason for that - its the most pirated console in the history of gaming.
 
The only way I could get behind this is if Sony did the phone themselves. SE makes POS phones, and with Android on it, there would be a detraction from the standardization of the XMB on the PS3/P. Also, if it's a PSPhone, I want to be able to play real PSP games on it, not watered down ports. If it supported true remote play and control over your PS3, I may be in.

Also, there's the fact that it's not coming this year.
 
If Android can get Nintendo and Sony on their side, they will dominate Apple in the mobile gaming market. iPhone has some of the best casual games in the market, but not the "big boy games." The ones for the hardcore that want to see blood, guts, and nudity. The iTunes games are as G-Rated than Nintendo's. Apple does NOT have the expertise in gaming like Nintendo or Sony do.

LOL at Apple fanboys trying to compare N-Gage to the PlayStation brand name. The first two PlayStations sold 200+ million between them and had a 10 year lifespan each. The PlayStation 2 still outsold the new gen systems back in 2007! The PSP has sold over 50M and still alive after five years. How is this a flop? Because it couldn't beat DS? 50M sold is ALOT. And hardcore gamers need buttons. They need tactile feedback. Having touchscreen control should be an option. Slide-out controls will work here for both gaming giants. Apple will never add buttons like Nintendo or Sony will do. Too fat for their taste.

I really want to see the next generation portables from Sony and Nintendo to enter the cell phone market. Sell it in variations. The lowest end is the usual way without the phone part like the iPod touch is. Sell them for under $250 or $200. Then for an extra $100-$200 bucks, there is a PSP2 or 3DS (or GameBoy) with a phone capability and also sold unlocked in video game stores like GameStop. Imagine a Nintendo phone for under $400 UNLOCKED and being available at EB Games or Toys-R-Us? Now Japan and Korea use CDMA, but Nintendo and Sony can make a variation of it especially for their home country of Japan. Distribute their older catalog in the Android Market, but have their own store for the games that will be priced for $30-$40. Sony Ericsson can realistically do this more, but rumors that Nintendo wanted to team up with Nokia shows that Nintendo has been interested in the idea of entering the phone market a long time ago (circa early 2000's). Nintendo is the MASTER of casual games and portables, and it would be a shame if they couldn't get a piece of the pie in cell phones.

Hardware technology moves faster in the cell phone industry, but if the great games keep coming, these devices can last even longer than two years. Whatever unbelievable specs the next PSP may have will still be outclassed by phone hardware within months. The current PSP and DS have ancient specs compared to the 2G iPhone from 2007, and they are still around after 5-6 years. The next PSP or GameBoy (one screen) need to be phones as well. Look what's happening with WinMo 7 and Xbox. I can get my God of War and Mario Kart on the go without all the lame imitations from the App Store or needing install ROMs for it. Think about the popular games in the App Store like Doodle Jump. A game like that would be a joke to a hardcore gamer.

That is the one thing Apple has never targeted. The "hardcore gamers." Now portable gaming is normally catered for 5-min casual fun. Nobody has the attention span looking at a small screen. But at the same time, nobody wants to play 99 cent games all the time. They want more reputable franchises they have grown to love over the years. I want the blood and sex in games too that Apple would never approve. Targeting the hardcore gamers has potential.

So please, Sony! Make this happen with Android. And if Nokia and Nintendo rekindle a potential partnership, they both would have a winner in their hands. Nokia had no clue with the N-Gage. But with Nintendo by their side, it wouldn't be such a problem. The video game is still a multi-billion dollar industry. Marriage them with phones, and the industry gets even bigger and fun.

The P&S cameras, PMPs, and Internet tablet is something cell phones are getting close to mastering. Video games is still not in the level I want it to be where they can truly replace our video game portables to enjoy many of our beloved franchises. Mobile gaming needs more depth.

Have a remake of Final Fantasy VII on the next SE/Android phone, and I'm sold and will already plan my campout for launch day.

Too long.. skimmed right on by. Read everything else in this thread.
 
I am totally against the idea of a psp phone. I want the next psp to be a game console not a phone. You cannot compare a propper psp game with one on an iPhone. This idea worries me. 3G connection for email and internet is good but dont make it a phone please god.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.