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The thing I hate about the rMBP
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mrsir2009
macrumors 604
To sum up this thread.
Everybody have no problems buying a rMBP that are known to have issues (due to using non-Samsung components).
Let's agree that we disagree on the expectations we have when buying something, especially with the price tag that these things have.
Everybody have no problems buying a rMBP that are known to have issues (due to using non-Samsung components).
Let's agree that we disagree on the expectations we have when buying something, especially with the price tag that these things have.
adjeff8
macrumors 6502
I hear you. And I'm sure your machine is awesome. The ones I've played with at the stores are certainly awesome. Monsters, in fact. The reason I'm waiting is that when I DO lay down my $2,500 it will be my one and only computer for the next 5 years, and I feel more comfortable letting a year go by for them to possibly work out some kinks within the first generation retina. I'm certainly glad I didn't buy the first generation iPhone and iPad. This may be different, as the iPhone and iPad were firsts of their kind and of course there have been many macbook pros, but the retina was a total redesign inside and out. And there have been several issues in addition to the many happy customers. This is a HUGE purchase and I am more comfortable playing it safe. I REALLY would like to wait for the 3rd generation, but I can't wait that long. But I AM waiting for the 2nd generation
Yes we disagree. Since I don't have unrealistic expectations about what you want from a mass produced device. Want perfection? Ain't gonna happen. Want an awesome computer? Buy a retina MacBook Pro.
I seriously don't understand why you started this thread. This, and your other posts, show how you are in love with Samsung. If that's the case, just buy a Samsung machine.
adjeff8
macrumors 6502
THIS^^^^^^^ This is the reason I prefer to wait a few months for the 2nd generation. Some or all of these 1st generation quirks will be addressed. As sure as I'm breathing oxygen. Stuff like this happens with all new tech products. Specifically Apple products, although I would bet the others as well. It's a well worn pattern, people on this and other blogs who dispute this pattern will not sway me. After all, it's just a few months for my peace of mind,
I personally think this was a bad business decision from Apple. And I'm not in love with Samsung, I was just stating facts when I said that Samsung is pretty much the best at what they do. ( i own pretty much all Apple products except for the Mac Pro and Macbook Air)
This thread was started to see if other (potential) consumers also thought this was a bad business decision so that Apple can hopefully learn from this. This is a top of the line machine, not a $500 laptop.
And when buying a $500 laptop, I personally don't care about the quality. I know some short cuts have been made and I'm fine with any issues that it will have. However, we are not taking about a $500 laptop here so my expectations will be much higher. (I have seen the image retention myself in the Apple store and to me, that's not acceptable. I have not experienced the spinning fan issue with the non-Samsung SSD, but it would probably bother me too on a $3000 laptop)
I hate this computer..... but I want one!
I think you're funny.
OP doesn't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good drama filled post.
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Some of the comments in this thread make me want to laugh and cry in equal measure.
'First generation product'? Hilarious. I have the very first MacBook Pro (1,1) sitting a few inches away from me right now, finishing up an installation of Office- the A1150, with a 1.83GHz Core Duo (not a Core 2!) and Radeon X1600. It came with 512MB of RAM but has since been maxed out with 2GB. It's twice as thick as my current Retina model, the SuperDrive broke years ago, the inverter board hums audibly most of the time, and the damn thing runs hotter at idle than the rMBP does under load. Yet, having just passed its 7th birthday, it's not only functional but still useful. I still dust it off frequently for legacy apps and to keep the battery running (still on its 2nd battery, which I also find impressive).
I also had the '3rd generation' MBP, the 2008 model with the 8600M. We all know how that story ended.
The rMBP is not a brand new product. It's an evolution of something Apple has been making for YEARS. It's the most refined computer I've ever used- something I also thought about the A1150 all those years ago, and look how far we've come.
'First generation product'? Hilarious. I have the very first MacBook Pro (1,1) sitting a few inches away from me right now, finishing up an installation of Office- the A1150, with a 1.83GHz Core Duo (not a Core 2!) and Radeon X1600. It came with 512MB of RAM but has since been maxed out with 2GB. It's twice as thick as my current Retina model, the SuperDrive broke years ago, the inverter board hums audibly most of the time, and the damn thing runs hotter at idle than the rMBP does under load. Yet, having just passed its 7th birthday, it's not only functional but still useful. I still dust it off frequently for legacy apps and to keep the battery running (still on its 2nd battery, which I also find impressive).
I also had the '3rd generation' MBP, the 2008 model with the 8600M. We all know how that story ended.
The rMBP is not a brand new product. It's an evolution of something Apple has been making for YEARS. It's the most refined computer I've ever used- something I also thought about the A1150 all those years ago, and look how far we've come.
I can definitely relate. Every single one of my apple products is a Rev. 1 version .
I have the 2006 MBP 1.1 in the 2.0 Ghz model. The original G4 iMac, the Lombard G3 Powerbook, the Rev. 1 15" Retina MBP, the iPad Mini.
My 2006 MBP is current connected to a 20" Cinema display and it runs Eve Online just fine with minimal issues. Not bad for a nearly 7 year old Notebook.
My Retina MBP had both the Samsung screen and SSD and has performed flawlessly thus far, non of the issues reported have occured so far.
I dont have any problem owning Rev. 1 version of Apple products. They have served me well so far and I like having a small collection of the Rev. 1 Apple gear to play with here at home.
Sean76
macrumors 6502a
Well said man, so very well said! Its amazing how far we've come...I share the feeling of this being the most refined computer that I've ever used.
I have that exact setup! Is yours the 2004 revision Cinema display- the first aluminum model? I rocked that in a dual setup with a SyncMaster 204B for aaaages.
I've been meaning to take some pictures of my oldest MacBook Pro alongside my newest just for comparison; it really is striking how far the design has come and yet how well the design has aged. I might even dust off my old G4 PowerBook 12", though I'm not sure what happened to the A/C adapter (and I don't have as many of those lying around as I do MagSafes).
I couldn't care less about what components I have in mine. Sure, I have a SanDisk SSD in my laptop but it still runs like a dream. Boot up times are insanely fast and starting applications are instantaneous. Would I feel better if it was a Samsung? No. So long as the components perform as expected (and for me, they do) I will be happy with my laptop.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a laptop purchase solely on the basis that the SSD is manufactured by a company other than Samsung, either. But to each their own.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a laptop purchase solely on the basis that the SSD is manufactured by a company other than Samsung, either. But to each their own.
I honestly have no idea what model it is. I picked it up on ebay recently. One of those "I will never win this with such a low bid" things. Won it and then had to search all over for the power supply for it lol.
I decidd to use it with my old 2006 MBP until I can afford to pick up a Mac mini to hook up to it. The MBP has a dead right side fan and the battery is completely dead so it works a tad unreliably these days.
Holy Moly! Why hate it even if you haven't used or owned one? This is one of my pet peeve. Hating a thing just because they read somewhere that people hate it. Just like a colleague of mine who is a Windows fans and somehow who hates OS X even he doesn't own or used one in his entire life.
To be precise about Samsung SSDs, you need to know there are 3 major lines at the moment:
1. 830 - reliable and relatively cheap MLC drive, one of the fastest on the market. Probably that is why, along with high availability, it was chosen to be our rMBP SSD for most of the time (and for 786GB capacity, it still is).
2. 840 - cheap and problematic TLC model, the message here is: stay away from it if you value your time and data safety. This is the drive for masses.
3. 840 Pro - high end MLC model, the successor of 830. I hope we will get it in next rMBP. Still reliable and a bit faster than 830.
And then we have SanDisk SSD. Most of us never heard of them, because, well, SanDisk is not an experienced SSD producer. Not getting into the quality (I assume Apple requires some QA standards, no matter who makes the parts), buying a rMBP with SanDisk SSD is like russian roulette: you may be fine and things go smooth like with Samsung 830 SSD, or you end up wasting time, being a beta tester for SanDisk/Apple.
As latest problems with rMBP fans going crazy with SanDisk SSD installed surfaced, I am confident it may be the latter.
1. 830 - reliable and relatively cheap MLC drive, one of the fastest on the market. Probably that is why, along with high availability, it was chosen to be our rMBP SSD for most of the time (and for 786GB capacity, it still is).
2. 840 - cheap and problematic TLC model, the message here is: stay away from it if you value your time and data safety. This is the drive for masses.
3. 840 Pro - high end MLC model, the successor of 830. I hope we will get it in next rMBP. Still reliable and a bit faster than 830.
And then we have SanDisk SSD. Most of us never heard of them, because, well, SanDisk is not an experienced SSD producer. Not getting into the quality (I assume Apple requires some QA standards, no matter who makes the parts), buying a rMBP with SanDisk SSD is like russian roulette: you may be fine and things go smooth like with Samsung 830 SSD, or you end up wasting time, being a beta tester for SanDisk/Apple.
As latest problems with rMBP fans going crazy with SanDisk SSD installed surfaced, I am confident it may be the latter.
Queen6
macrumors G5
If the hardware meets Apples specification it will be fine, these people that are intent on returning perfectly good machines right out the box only result in a higher price-point. Apple`s not a charity so without any doubts these needless returns are added to the equation, and ultimately the end user pays for that one...
People having a genuine reason for returning an item is one thing, those returning solely due to the point of origin of a component is something completely different. It`s no wonder Mac`s are pricey with some going literally dozens of systems. We see this behaviour with every new release.
Personally I believe that those that obsess so much about what is a relatively simple purchase have far deeper issues. I have used, run, and owned Mac`s for decades, i have never really had issue outside what i expected or due to extreme use/age. They are just computers, pretty good one`s at that, but just computers, i think people would enjoy them a lot more if they didn't fall into the "my precious" syndrome, seriously it`s not very normal behaviour...
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IGregory
macrumors 6502a
Do some research
Before making such stupid statements why not do a little research. San Disk has been in the drive business since 1988. The company is considered a leader in the industry.
Before making such stupid statements why not do a little research. San Disk has been in the drive business since 1988. The company is considered a leader in the industry.
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Borked retina wi-fi
Forget where I happened upon the original reports of retina wi-fi issues. But they are not hard to discover. Here is but an example:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4113552?start=15&tstart=0
What I specifically remember, if not perhaps from the cited thread, are cases where all else in an existing wi-fi system working fine, and only a new retina having an issue with it. Hardly plug and play. Some workarounds were shifting from 2.4GHz to 5GHz, although that can possibly cause issues with other components.
Forget where I happened upon the original reports of retina wi-fi issues. But they are not hard to discover. Here is but an example:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4113552?start=15&tstart=0
What I specifically remember, if not perhaps from the cited thread, are cases where all else in an existing wi-fi system working fine, and only a new retina having an issue with it. Hardly plug and play. Some workarounds were shifting from 2.4GHz to 5GHz, although that can possibly cause issues with other components.
cjmillsnun
macrumors 68020
There are definitely SSD issues, or more precisely SMC issues when rMBPs are fitted with Sandisk SSDs (as mine is).
It can cause the fans to randomly spin up to full speed despite the temperatures not being high and the cpu load being low.
BTW my display is LG and it's fine.
I seriously like this machine. It has one flaw that is annoying (the SMC issue causing the fan spikes) but it's fixable with a firmware update.
Maybe I'm lucky, I don't know but seriously I am very happy with my rMBP.
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OK, thanks for the link. I still do not think this is proof of a fatal hardware flaw in all rMBPs. Network issues are never cut and dry as each network is different. For example I'm on the 2.4GHz band right now (have been all day) and have my BT keyboard and Magic Mouse running fine concurrently with my rMBP without a single network issue (however on my old Linksys WRT54G I had 2.4 GHz connection issues all day).
In the thread you quoted you have a number of different types of responses. One guy claims it happens in his MBA and has been a flaw since 2009, another 2 claim an SMC reset fixes it, yet another claims only a certain batch of rMBPS have this issue, another says an EFI update fixes it partially, etc.
Definitely not discounting people's experiences with the problematic rMBPs, though, hearing this is troubling for sure.