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iPod touch The touch does not have auto-correcting keyboard??
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They should get Sega on board. Sega's consoles always kinda sucked, but their games were good. I bet they could come up with something neat for the iPhone/iPod touch.
I would suggest Nintendo, as well, but they've got a product that would compete with the iPhone/iPod touch's gaming capabilities: the DS Lite.
Shucks, I hate the auto correct feature.
You usually don't catch it changing something because you are watching the keyboard to see what letters are being hit. You are sure you hit the right letter only to have it fail later because the input was incorrect (auto correct changed it).
Does anyone know how to turn it off?
You usually don't catch it changing something because you are watching the keyboard to see what letters are being hit. You are sure you hit the right letter only to have it fail later because the input was incorrect (auto correct changed it).
Does anyone know how to turn it off?
The point is that companies do "makes products worse on purpose" in order to differentiate between them.
Evangelion was acting like this is the first time he's ever seen that done before.
First or last time, doesn't really make it right. Maybe if enough people make their feelings known, Apple will change their stance.
Just because it's happening to a product that you happen to care about (this time) doesn't magically make the fact that manufacturers use features to differentiate between their products suddenly wrong, either.
Agree or disagree, but Apple appears to want to use more features than just the lack of phone/bluetooth/speakers/mic to differentiate the iPhone line from the iPod line.
While it might not be new, it's still not OK.
Um, you are talking about hardware-features. Features that cost money to implement. Features, that when eliminated make the product cheaper to manufactre. If you want to talk, at least compres apples to apples.
I wasn't. I'm well aware that this has been done in the past as well. Does that mean that it's prefectly OK to do so?
iPhone and iTouch already have loads of differentiation between them. One is a phone, other is not. There are about 1 billion phones sold every year, whereas there's only about 50 million mp3-players sold every year.
Apple is now spending their time, resources and money to make one of their products WORSE than it could be. They do not need to do that, since the two devices have plenty of differences at the hardware-level.
And what is your argument to support this? "This is not the first time this has been done, and therefore it's OK". No, it's not OK.
No, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to vent my frustrations with them for artificially crippling the product, either. Even worse, they actually have to waste time and money modifying applications to remove features (Calendar). I think it's also frustrating to many here (including myself) who believe Apple could have a killer PDA here, even if that isn't a market they want to enter.
you people complain to damn much, if you don't like it take ya money else where. lets be honest Steve only put wifi on there so you can spend more money on itunes while on the go. he did not intend for it to be PDA. if you want a PDA go buy one simple. otherwise suck it up and shut up. on another note I love my iPhone and soon I will love my New red Nano...TY Steve for my 100 credit...whoooooooooo hoooooooooooo I'm officially an apple FanGirl!now someone give me some insight on these imac's I think I need to fully convert but I
once you fully convert you'll hate your toshiba, and get a macbook pro. You might miss the OS crashes, blue screens, and of course all the endless calls to tech support. I have friends at work that are constantly getting me to fix their PC's, and I plead with them to get macs!!!!
You act like there's no money cost for Apple to implement email, etc.
If Apple added email, etc to the touch (giving the touch virtually the same features as the iPhone, minus the phone), every person who bought a touch instead of an iPhone would cost Apple money.
There's your cost. And considering how much money AT&T pays Apple per iPhone customer, it's a pretty big money cost.
One is a phone, and the other one is an MP3 player. What other MP3 players have email? An update-able calendar? Contacts? Those are all features of phones.
You do realize that with Apple, the phones sold every year vs mp3-players sold every figure is dramatically reversed, right? They sell wayyyyyy more mp3-players than they sell phones.
So why can you ADD FRIGGIN CONTACTS but not add a calendar event? It's just so stupid. (This post wasn't to you in particular, you just happen to be the lucky someone that I decided to quote. This rant applies to all those people that defend Apple's crippling.)
Is there auto-correction in more language than English?
And if yes, which language? I read in the ipod touch manual, that there was 14.... Is danish one of them?
You're right, it's not an extension of the iPhone. It's a retraction. They did this in Australia in the early 1980's with the country's most popular V8 family car during the petrol price hike. Rather than making a small car to compete with the small economical Japanese imports, they just bunged a 4 cylinder engine into this big car.
What an utter piece of crap it was, and everyone saw it for what it was - an excellent car crippled. The moron CEO at General Motors who thought that Homer Simpson brainwave product idea up cost them not just money, but image quality, market share and overall credibility. My guess is he must have lost his job at GM, and got a new one at Apple Inc as a janitor and then spent the next 30 years working his way up to iPod Touch Product Manager.
Nobody could ever repeat such a stupid mistake with a product known for quality and performance with an extremely loyal customer base, so it must be the same guy again.
Before the unveiling a lot of people including myself didn't even think it would have wi-fi and if it did there would be no Safari. We end up getting both and all people can do is complain. I'm just thankful we got that and I'm sure we'll be able to hack the iphone apps onto it soon. There's no pleasing some people. I guess Apple should have introduced the Touch first and then the iPhone so that way people would be talking about how cool the multi-touch interface and safari are on the Touch instead of moaning about every little detail the iPhone has that the Touch doesn't.
Finally a reasonable comparison... all of us complainers are complaining about why some software was not included. Everyone who comes up with hardware comparisons is out to lunch. Your above example is of 3rd party programs - obviously some real cost to Apple to include in the iBooks.
What about if the iBooks didn't come with Spotlight, Dashboard, or iSync? I think we would be having the same arguments - "Oh, the iBook is not for serious users... if you need those, get a Powerbook"... etc etc...
There is no right or wrong answer here. Apple is allowed to bundle what they want - and I am allowed to say "forget it" which is what I have done! It IS a great iPod, and not much more, when it easily could be. Email and a notes application are BASIC programs, not specialized ones!!!!
I hope they add these... and that when they do, they make it retroactive for all users... otherwise we will have the forums full of the early adopters complaining that they didn't get these apps (probably the same ones defending the lack of them now!!!!)
Before the unveiling I wasn't expecting anything at all, because I wasn't interested in iPods.
After the unveiling, I was expecting exactly what Steve Jobs said it was - an iPhone without the phone. And then I was interested. It was exactly what I wanted.
Except, between then and now, the product has changed a lot from what Steve Jobs said it was.
After the unveiling, I was expecting exactly what Steve Jobs said it was - an iPhone without the phone. And then I was interested. It was exactly what I wanted.
Except, between then and now, the product has changed a lot from what Steve Jobs said it was.
You act like there's no money cost for Apple to implement email, etc.
Just so you know: they already implemented email (among other things, like notes and editable calendar), they then spent time and money to remove it. In case you didn't know: iPhone and iPod touch run same software. And you still haven't answered my simple question: how does removing those features benefit me, the user?
How, exactly? They would still be spending their money on Apple-gear. Yes, AT&T pays them some money, but it's not THAT much. And are you forgetting that phones are still a new and untested business for Apple, whereas iPods bring them metric assload of money? And are you already forgetting that touch is not a phone? Is someone wants/needs a phone, touch will not be a valid replacement. That is a FACT.
if touch is an mp3-player, why does it have Safari? Calendar? Youtube? Videos? Contacts? Why should it be artificially crippled? So it would fit a static mold called "mp3-player"? touch is already a lot more than "mp3-player". It's a crossover-device. And it could be a real gem of a device if Apple allows it. iPhone would be even better since it has more capabilities (and no amount of software would change that fact), but does that mean that touch should be artificially crippled? No it does not.
iPod touch could be A LOT more than it currently is. Crippling the device does NOT benefit the users in any shape or form, and neither does it benefit Apple either. We see a device that could be truly kick-ass device, but here we have Apple telling us that "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't allow you to do that" for no good reason.
Why couldn't Apple simply say "for all of you pining for the son of Newton, it's here, and they are twins called iPod touch and iPhone"? End-users get a kick-ass device, Apple has product(s) that are way ahead of all competitors in either mp3-market or phone-market and everyone is happy. Hell, they would also have the best PDA in the market, and they would do that with practically zero additional effort! Why isn't this being done? Apple could do it with minimium of trouble, they could move way beyond simple mediaplayback with the touch, and it still would not threaten iPhone.
Is Apple now allowing a product that just sold 1 million units to threaten their procuct-line that is selling something like 40 million units a year?
Could that be because they have been selling mp3-players for years, whereas they have sold phones for just few months?
Following your logic then why does the iphone play video and music like an ipod?
They are both entertainment devices with different features and target markets. Don't you think that future models of each will blur the line even more possibley?
Not really. It's like you paid $30,000 for a car. I paid $20,000 for the same exact car, except they installed a rev limiter. At some point I'm going to hack out the rev limiter so that my car runs as fast as yours, but why did the manufacturer do that in the first place?
It makes sense to take the phone parts out of the iphone. What use is a calling application if there isn't any phone hardware to make the call with? But why remove data entry from the calendar? They had to go out of their way to modify the calendar application to work differently than it does on the iphone, when it would have taken much less effort just to use the same application on both.
Now they have two separate code bases to maintain, so that any bug in the iphone calendar has to be fixed on the ipod touch calendar branch as well. It's silly all the way around.
I understand product differentiation and price discrimination, but just because companies can do it doesn't mean customers have to like it. If they want two separate products, my view as a customer is that they should have built two separate products. AS it is they are trying to leverage R&D costs from one project to quickly build a similar project. That's great -- efficient use of resources -- but don't cripple the design intentionally because you think that will make me spend more money. It only makes me resent Apple and want to figure out the hack workaround.
Well said. Actually what you are describing brings one clear image to my mind: Windows Vista. There are 4 versions of Vista (at least), each with a different price tag. To my mind, what Apple is doing with the touch is very similar to what MS does with Windows: "Sure, we could give you all those features for free, but then nobody would pay $450 for an OS updgrade."
That's never been Apple's way of doing business. They include all the same excellent features in every copy of the OS they sell. I realize that it's a very fine line, and companies clearly do need product differentiation in order to support price discrimination (literally: charging different customers different amounts of money for the same product). Apple itself has multiple levels, such as GarageBand, Logic Express, Logic.
It's subjective, but I think we as consumers know innately when something is wrong. The ipod touch not having calendar entry is wrong.
So they can sell a new and improved version down the road much more easily...
...or maybe it's as someone else had said... Jobs hated the Newton so much that he doesn't want to have it do PDA type stuff
...or maybe they have an agreement with someone somewhere about not producing a PDA device
...or maybe they are idiots!
I agree, but did want to point out that while the OS was the same, the bundled apps have generally been different between "consumer" and "prosumer" Macs.
iBooks came with Quicken while Powerbooks came with QuickBooks, Omnigraffle came only with Powerbooks, etc...
These days, MBPs have a Aperture Trial that does not ship on MacBooks....
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