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The Ultimate rMBP Image Retention Test
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Considering one person with a Samsung saw IR, and a couple people with LGs didn't with this test... I would say no, it's not worth returning. Fact of the matter is that IPS displays are more susceptible to IR than other displays. If it takes an unrealistic scenario to get it to manifest, it's not worth returning. But if you get IR with normal use, then obviously it would be worth returning.
highly unlikely. IR isn't typically permanent. If it is, and your computer is under warranty, then yeah.
It's possible that there's no way to guarantee against this.
first time I tried this last night, and it looked like there was IR. but then I looked at the wall, and I was seeing it there too. Guess I stared at that checkerboard a bit too long 
Then left it for at least 15 minutes, minimized the screen without looking at it, and couldn't see a trace of anything. Love my LG screen so even if there was IR wouldn't have exchanged it, but good to see it seems to be functioning well.
Then left it for at least 15 minutes, minimized the screen without looking at it, and couldn't see a trace of anything. Love my LG screen so even if there was IR wouldn't have exchanged it, but good to see it seems to be functioning well.
How often do you use your RMBP with a checkerboard pattern overlaying your desktop for 15 minutes before you use your machine? Honestly!
You know what if you turn your head a certain way while hanging upside down in a forest from an old oak tree, you might experience a little bit of pain. Well, don't do it then! LOL
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Are you sure this image retention is actually on the screen and not in your eyes after staring at such a regular pattern for an extended period of time? Anything you look at will show a ghosted checkerboard pattern.
I let my kids play a game called everybody edits (http://www.everybodyedits.com). It's not exactly a checkerboard but it is a game with blocks that could have a similar effect or impact.
Regarding your comment about turning your head a certain way. Noted.
I am positive I saw the image retention on the screen. Outside of that slight IR I still think the screen is absolutely gorgeous but I would prefer not to have any signs of IR especially when I am seeing reports of it getting worse.
That's an issue with human vision. Your mind interprets what you see on a relative scale. If you painted all of your walls blue and looked at your display with the wall behind it, the display would look yellow. You can do similar things with brightness, contrast, etc. There are just so many ways to mess with human vision.
I use this on my older LG IPS, S-IPS, AS-IPS, H-IPS displays. Which include ALL APPLE CINEMA DISPLAYS EVER MADE. 17", 20", 23", 24", 27", 30".
http://toastycode.com/lcdscrub/
The fact that it happens out of the box may unfortunately be an issue with the actual technology with such a small backlight footprint. I didn't think IPS on laptops was even going to be possible. But here we are. It is amazing to have and still VERY immature. It will probably get better with later panel revs. In no way am I negating any users feeling of there being a quality issue. It just may not be entirely fixable if all the manufacturers currently producing have this happening.
http://toastycode.com/lcdscrub/
The fact that it happens out of the box may unfortunately be an issue with the actual technology with such a small backlight footprint. I didn't think IPS on laptops was even going to be possible. But here we are. It is amazing to have and still VERY immature. It will probably get better with later panel revs. In no way am I negating any users feeling of there being a quality issue. It just may not be entirely fixable if all the manufacturers currently producing have this happening.
I agree with you, if that's what it takes I wouldn't worry about it.
Conversely, we had two at the office that displayed burn in, no matter what was on the display or not. We didn't even have to "test for it" or look for it, the burn in was very pronounced and easy to see.
Apple replaced them. It's as simple as that.
So Apple's response to this issue should be "you're looking at it wrong" sorry, couldn't resist.
Thanks!
I'll be trying the burn in test and will report back later. I don't think I have any screen burn issues. I've been using it for about a week now and haven't noticed any issues.You must have gotten those crappy LG retinas. Here, if your under warrantee I bet god might give you a pair of Samsungs
.I ended up calling in to return mine. Conflicted decision as really the unit is fine. It I saw the result and I think it's consensus lg blows compared to Samsung.
If the new unit is Samsung then awesome. If its LG again and is similar to my computer now then I won't try for a 2nd return as I can't notice IR unless it's with this test.
Apple is letting me keep my computer until new one arrives. I just asked nicely.
If the new unit is Samsung then awesome. If its LG again and is similar to my computer now then I won't try for a 2nd return as I can't notice IR unless it's with this test.
Apple is letting me keep my computer until new one arrives. I just asked nicely.
Mine is on order as well but I haven't initiated any return with my current one yet since I still have time within my 14 days. Mine has a second minor issue of clouds in the middle top of the screen when viewed from an angle so that + the image retention is why I am returning mine.
Sounds like you should definitely return yours then.
Also.....stupid question but can IR issues become smaller over time?
I've been checking my screen a bit today even though I'm returning this because I thought hey why not.
Anyways IR issues I had previously noticed more easily like Dock Icons etc against the dark grey background well they appear to be burning in considerably less than yesterday.
Also....suppose the new rMBP arrived but I decided I'd changed my mind and wanted to hang onto this unit what happens then? Just refuse delivery and have it sent back to Apple and as such its still a brand new unit so no skin off their nose?
Not saying I will of course. New is better than a 2 week old unit and a more recent manufacture date and the *chance* of a sammy screen.
Also.....stupid question but can IR issues become smaller over time?
I've been checking my screen a bit today even though I'm returning this because I thought hey why not.
Anyways IR issues I had previously noticed more easily like Dock Icons etc against the dark grey background well they appear to be burning in considerably less than yesterday.
Also....suppose the new rMBP arrived but I decided I'd changed my mind and wanted to hang onto this unit what happens then? Just refuse delivery and have it sent back to Apple and as such its still a brand new unit so no skin off their nose?
Not saying I will of course. New is better than a 2 week old unit
and a more recent manufacture date and the *chance* of a sammy screen.Finally got around to trying this. Definitely showed some IR. But it was only noticeable on that gray screen. And with just a few seconds of playing a full screen video, the IR pretty much disappeared.
Since IPS displays are known to be susceptible to IR, and since it's requiring a test that is not indicative of real world use... I'm not going to bother taking it into Apple. But if it ever gets worse, then I will
I have an LG display btw.
Since IPS displays are known to be susceptible to IR, and since it's requiring a test that is not indicative of real world use... I'm not going to bother taking it into Apple. But if it ever gets worse, then I will
I have an LG display btw.
I'm exactly in the same boat. Plus after 5 minutes anyways my screen saver comes on.
The first rMBP I ordered has color uniformity issues (red on one side of the screen, yellow on the other). Apple sent me an advance replacement, and the color uniformity is great on that one, but it has very, very slight image retention issues that are only noticeable with the checkerboard test. I could live with the image retention if it doesn't get worse since the screen is otherwise fantastic...but that's the rub -- will the image retention get worse over time? I'll have to think about which to keep...although I'm leaning toward the one with slight IR since it's otherwise fantastic. Both screens are LG screens FWIW.
What do you guys think? I'll have to "inspect" my newer rMBP a little more to make sure there aren't any other issues besides IR before I decide once and for all to keep it. Has anyone here who's experienced IR noticed it getting any worse?
What do you guys think? I'll have to "inspect" my newer rMBP a little more to make sure there aren't any other issues besides IR before I decide once and for all to keep it. Has anyone here who's experienced IR noticed it getting any worse?
