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floral

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Jan 12, 2023
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Maybe Apple will introduce Mini-NM technology that's the size of the insides of your wallet after paying for it.
 
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Fat_Guy

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Feb 10, 2021
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So you pay for the phone but you never own because apple has the control over it and can disable functions any time. 😬
Who cares as you get a new one at every update. Apple Care mandatory in case you break their phone! 👍
 

eyoungren

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Aug 31, 2011
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So you pay for the phone but you never own because apple has the control over it and can disable functions any time. 😬
They've already done that in a sense and with the very first iPhone.

If you read the terms of the EULA you can see that while we own the device we buy, we don't own the OS. Apple is giving us a license to use iOS on the device and only on that device. If you don't agree, you can't use iOS. And without being able to use iOS - you can't use the device.

Apple can change iOS at any time, and they could probably force an update if they really wanted to.
 

sack_peak

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Sep 3, 2023
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They've already done that in a sense and with the very first iPhone.

If you read the terms of the EULA you can see that while we own the device we buy, we don't own the OS. Apple is giving us a license to use iOS on the device and only on that device. If you don't agree, you can't use iOS. And without being able to use iOS - you can't use the device.

Apple can change iOS at any time, and they could probably force an update if they really wanted to.
Has that doomer scenario occured in the last 3 decades?

Where in individual or groups of people losing agency over their devices unless imposed upon by changes in national govt laws?
 

eyoungren

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Aug 31, 2011
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Has that doomer scenario occured in the last 3 decades?

Where in individual or groups of people losing agency over their devices unless imposed upon by changes in national govt laws?
Well, I wasn't arguing that anything had happened - simply stating that it could. Apple would take a severe hit with the public if they were to do something like that. But I believe somewhere it's been mentioned by them that they could, but choose not to.

As for the EULA, that's fact. They own that copy of iOS on our devices - not us.
 

sack_peak

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Well, I wasn't arguing that anything had happened - simply stating that it could. Apple would take a severe hit with the public if they were to do something like that. But I believe somewhere it's been mentioned by them that they could, but choose not to.

As for the EULA, that's fact.
It reminds me of that EULA of Facebook on the photos unloaded to their service. IIRC it stated that Facebook has a license of any image uploaded to their service.

Many assumed that it was stealing IP from the rights owner. It is more like protecting Facebook from paying royalties they would have had in certain jurisdictions.

I think any doomer scenario would only occur if it was for national security like a world war or global security like Martians attacking Earth.

By then do we really care that our "privacy" is being hijacked? I'd think many would be more concerned about food, water, shelter, clothing, healthcare and utilities.
 

AbSoluTc

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Sep 21, 2008
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Pretty soon the iPhone will barely get any updates and everything will be focused on Vision Pro instead. Think on that.
 
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Grey Area

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Well, I wasn't arguing that anything had happened - simply stating that it could. Apple would take a severe hit with the public if they were to do something like that. But I believe somewhere it's been mentioned by them that they could, but choose not to.

As for the EULA, that's fact. They own that copy of iOS on our devices - not us.
Eh, EULAs are not law, they are just something the manufacturer makes up. Ok, I realize the situation may differ from country to country, but in many European countries, in order to be binding a customer has to sign off on a EULA before purchase. I signed nothing, my iOS EULA is my property and means what I want it to mean. Of course, copyright laws and such still apply.
 

eyoungren

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Aug 31, 2011
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Eh, EULAs are not law, they are just something the manufacturer makes up. Ok, I realize the situation may differ from country to country, but in many European countries, in order to be binding a customer has to sign off on a EULA before purchase. I signed nothing, my iOS EULA is my property and means what I want it to mean. Of course, copyright laws and such still apply.
I'm speaking of the USA. I do agree with you on the EULA. It can be beaten, but you'd need to find a lawyer better than Apple's lawyers and willing to pay them for the long run.

To date, that hasn't been worth it to anyone who's got the money and time to do it.
 

Andres Cantu

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May 31, 2015
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I'd like the iPhone to be able to be used in a docking station, even if Apple limits that ability to only Apple displays. The iPhone is more than powerful enough to be able to do so, but I suspect the chances of that happening are slim to none since they'd like to sell macs.
 

sack_peak

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Sep 3, 2023
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I'd like the iPhone to be able to be used in a docking station, even if Apple limits that ability to only Apple displays. The iPhone is more than powerful enough to be able to do so, but I suspect the chances of that happening are slim to none since they'd like to sell macs.
What I'd want is the iPhone USB-C can plug to a a USB-C display that has USB-C, USB-A, Ethernet, 3mm headphone jack.

When it does that it boots to macOS on iPhone. The A17 Pro is faster than any Mac with a Core i7 or even a Core i9.
 

Jackbequickly

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Aug 6, 2022
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- Iphone chips are at 3nm, they can barely get any smaller, so no more big cpu/gpu upgrades forever
- Camera upgrades are only limited to increasing optical zoom, in the next 5 years all Apple is gonna do is slowly increase the zoom to 10x, quality has barely changed in the last 5 years
- No other "big features" left besides TouchID under display
- No big cosmetic changes left for the phone, since the Iphone X it's basically looked the same every year

Basically there's nothing left to look forward to. Iphones have reached their peak.

‘iPhone will advance as technology advances. 3nn chips does not mean they can not be made more powerful every year.
 

veena3

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Sep 18, 2021
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- Iphone chips are at 3nm, they can barely get any smaller, so no more big cpu/gpu upgrades forever
- Camera upgrades are only limited to increasing optical zoom, in the next 5 years all Apple is gonna do is slowly increase the zoom to 10x, quality has barely changed in the last 5 years
- No other "big features" left besides TouchID under display
- No big cosmetic changes left for the phone, since the Iphone X it's basically looked the same every year

Basically there's nothing left to look forward to. Iphones have reached their peak.
Bigger zoom, more megapixel cameras, stacked battery, micro-led display, folding iPhone and we're done and continuing to miniaturising Vision devices and then Neuralink connection with Apple contact lenses?
 

ryguyMN

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Jan 16, 2023
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I think the physical phone will eventually be phased out for 3D/spatial/holographic technology, but that's many years away.
 
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blairh

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- Iphone chips are at 3nm, they can barely get any smaller, so no more big cpu/gpu upgrades forever
- Camera upgrades are only limited to increasing optical zoom, in the next 5 years all Apple is gonna do is slowly increase the zoom to 10x, quality has barely changed in the last 5 years
- No other "big features" left besides TouchID under display
- No big cosmetic changes left for the phone, since the Iphone X it's basically looked the same every year

Basically there's nothing left to look forward to. Iphones have reached their peak.
LOL.

There is a ton of room for improvement.

Every year the camera gets better and that won't change.

Dynamic Island is ugly. Eventually there will be no island or camera that shows on the screen.

Screens will continue to get brighter.

These devices are still very heavy. Imagine a current iPhone with half the current weight.

The charging port will eventually go away entirely.

And that's just slab iPhones. Foldables are going to revolutionize the smartphone industry once they work out the current kinks. (Dust resistance, creases, weight, fragility, price, etc.)
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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Jun 8, 2022
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I can think of several upgrades they could still do to the iPhone

  • Not limit the transfer speeds on the regular iPhone. It's asinine that only the iPhone Pro takes full advantage of USB-C
  • #BringBackTheHeadphoneJack APPLE!!!!!!!!
  • Add a Samsung DeX like mode to the iPhone, where you can plug it into a monitor and mouse and keyboard and have a macOS like UI to navigate, especially with the new features to the iPhone Pro and how the A17 Pro is really close to being on par with the original M1, so in the future we could see Final Cut on iPhone and having that available in a Dex-like mode would be really handy. (Just don't do the Stage Manager thing on iPadOS. No one wants that.)
  • Reverse wireless charging on iPhone. The ability to use the iPhone back as a charging mat for another phone or AirPods case like the Google Pixel can
  • Night vision mode. Add an infrared light on the iPhone and could then use the camera as essentially a night vision mode.
  • Fingerprint reader in the display to bring Touch ID back to the non-SE iPhones
  • Create an Apple Pencil for the iPhone that can attach to the side of the phone magnetically or on the back with Magsafe. A lot of people on the Android side like having writing styluses, and Procreate got an iPhone version
 
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boswald

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Jul 21, 2016
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Do you really need a revolution every time the phone is upgraded? While the iPhone is a cornerstone to Apple, they have other priorities too. Also, there’s only so much you can do to a phone given our current technology and customer needs.
 

Gudi

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May 3, 2013
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There are almost no upgrades left for iphones
I remember this talk from the iPhone 5 or something. Back then I told the forum what I will tell you now:
When my mum was a little girl in the 50s her physics teacher told them kids, that basically everything was already invented. And they had some valve radios and nothing more.
 

Allen_Wentz

macrumors 68000
Dec 3, 2016
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- Iphone chips are at 3nm, they can barely get any smaller, so no more big cpu/gpu upgrades forever
- Camera upgrades are only limited to increasing optical zoom, in the next 5 years all Apple is gonna do is slowly increase the zoom to 10x, quality has barely changed in the last 5 years
- No other "big features" left besides TouchID under display
- No big cosmetic changes left for the phone, since the Iphone X it's basically looked the same every year

Basically there's nothing left to look forward to. Iphones have reached their peak.
Wrong. Being at v1 of a new chip process does not mean "there's nothing left to look forward to. Iphones have reached their peak." I would say exactly the opposite.

But the OP is apparently simple clickbait, so I guess it worked... ~;)
 

ctjack

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Mar 8, 2020
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48MP RAW shooting speed is almost 1 sec - not enough to ditch mirrorless camera. They have ways to grow.
Lens is a not crystal clear - have ways to go for better optics.
 

Bananasaurus

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Aug 16, 2023
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48MP RAW shooting speed is almost 1 sec - not enough to ditch mirrorless camera. They have ways to grow.
Lens is a not crystal clear - have ways to go for better optics.
I'm very eager to see how the RAW speed is in the 15 Pro Max. I don't recall them saying anything about it. When the iPhone can shoot 10-20 RAW photos a second like a mirrorless, that will be significant. Right now RAW mode is pretty useless for anything moving even remotely slightly.
 
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Allen_Wentz

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48MP RAW shooting speed is almost 1 sec - not enough to ditch mirrorless camera. They have ways to grow.
Lens is a not crystal clear - have ways to go for better optics.
A single pro ILC lens costs about as much as an entire new iPhone. Optically they are in different worlds. Every day for years now I have been amazed by how well the tiny, relatively cheap iPhone camera systems do. And they still keep improving.
 

Bananasaurus

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A single pro ILC lens costs about as much as an entire new iPhone. Optically they are in different worlds. Every day for years now I have been amazed by how well the tiny, relatively cheap iPhone camera systems do. And they still keep improving.
Yes. The iPhone will literally never compare to mirrorless lenses because ... well ... Apple hasn't found a way to defy the laws of physics yet. But I'm also impressed with what they've managed to do so far.
 
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