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My thoughts are that if Apple is releasing a smaller iPad, possibly it is in expectation that cheaper Windows 8 tablets will become available and this will be Apple's competing product. I don't think Apple would want to take any chances in risk of a mistake with iOS devices that happened when cheaper Windows computers became available in the nineties and destroyed the Mac competition.

I would be surprised if Apple didn't design a smaller iPad back when they designed the first iPad.
 
Who cares what you honestly believe, when your beliefs aren't based on anything concrete? Do some research and back it up or stop making unsubstantiated claims.

Then why all the rumors? If a iPad 3 is the best tablet money can buy why would Apple release a new model? Why hurt the sales of your current product?
 
I read through all the posts here. Most of you have different reasons for why Apple will release a 7" tablet.

It's not complicated. 7" tablets haven't done well in the market because people simply don't need them.

Of course I don't know for certain what Apple will do. What they should do is reduce the bezel size of the iPad 9.7 and make it thinner and lighter. Wait... that's probably what they intend to do.
 
I read through all the posts here. Most of you have different reasons for why Apple will release a 7" tablet.

It's not complicated. 7" tablets haven't done well in the market because people simply don't need them.

Of course I don't know for certain what Apple will do. What they should do is reduce the bezel size of the iPad 9.7 and make it thinner and lighter. Wait... that's probably what they intend to do.

No tablet other than the iPad has done well. So it's either the size isn't great or that iPads are just leagues above when it comes to mature software and OS.
 
The Amazon Kindle Fire has done well and I think that the Nexus 7 will do well. There are many people who want a smaller tablet as it is more portable.
 
Then why all the rumors? If a iPad 3 is the best tablet money can buy why would Apple release a new model? Why hurt the sales of your current product?

Because "one size doesn't fit all" - Apple has 5 laptops with 3 screen sizes.
 
The Amazon Kindle Fire has done well and I think that the Nexus 7 will do well. There are many people who want a smaller tablet as it is more portable.

The Kindle Fire has not done well. It sold well for 2 months then sales went off of a cliff. Return rates are also higher than normal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/9246174/Kindle-Fire-sales-plunge.html

And the Nexus will meet the same fate. You're a geek and so am I. But we have to separate the stuff we think we want... the stuff we want to tinker with... with what's actually going to be successful on the market. The world doesn't care what a bunch of tech geeks like us want to tinker with.

The Nexus 7 will, just like the Kindle Fire, have initial momentum and then sales will plummet.

I get how people seem to discount the power of a smartphone... that it's really a tablet computer. What's happened over the past year is that pretty much every Android smartphone has become a jumbo phone. You can't hardly find under 4" screens anymore. That means with these larger screens the already dead 7" category has become even deader since the gap between screen sizes is narrowed.

Here's a list of problems with Tweener tablets:

1. Screen is not a large enough increase over smartphones to warrant use over a smartphone.
2. The size of the onscreen keyboard is awkward and not conducive to efficient typing (it's not near full size and it's not small enough for one handed typing).
3. It's supposed to be so much more portable than an iPad until you realize you simply can't put it in your pocket... and you end up carrying it like a folio just like the iPad.
4. Most content looks terrible on it because of how odd a size the screen is. The full Web isn't good and neither is the mobile Web. It's a size of screen that isn't worth developing custom UIs for: when it's small like an iPhone you can get innovative with well established UI practices and when it's big like an iPad you don't have to really do anything: the full Web looks great. The only thing the screen size is good at is displaying a novel and video. That's it.
5. Cannot be used via one handed hold: awkward.

In other words, it's not better at anything compared to a smartphone other than perhaps reading novels and watching movies. But with the Retina screen on iPhones and iBooks Reader some would argue the opposite for reading. It just makes too many compromises to justify its existence.
 
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I think it's a bit weird why anybody would want tow ate money on something , when they already possess a device that does the same. Most have 2 devices that do the same. Their phone and their iPad.
I couldn't even bring myself to get an iPad 3 as I already own a 2.

I'll happily wait for iPad 4, see what that brings.
Hopefully it will have a built in maid, that wakes up and does all the cleaning and make me breakfast before I get up.

If it doesn't, there will be hell to pay.
 
I think it's a bit weird why anybody would want tow ate money on something , when they already possess a device that does the same. Most have 2 devices that do the same. Their phone and their iPad.
I couldn't even bring myself to get an iPad 3 as I already own a 2.

I'll happily wait for iPad 4, see what that brings.
Hopefully it will have a built in maid, that wakes up and does all the cleaning and make me breakfast before I get up.

If it doesn't, there will be hell to pay.

iOS 6 on the iPad has Siri. I'm running it.
 
Here's a list of problems with Tweener tablets:

1. Screen is not a large enough increase over smartphones to warrant use over a smartphone.

If you have an iPad and an iPhone, you can easily see the difference. Just set the two sids by side and have then display the same photo in iPhoto that fills up the screen in landscape mode. Now rotate the iPat to portrate position. The image on the iPad is mow a shown a bit smaller than it would be on a 7.85" iPad. Is there really not a significant difference?

2. The size of the onscreen keyboard is awkward and not conducive to efficient typing (it's not near full size and it's not small enough for one handed typing).

Again, you can see what this would be like by rotating the iPad.Take a screenshot of the iPad keyboard in both landscape and portrait mode. Open the shots in iPhoto and rotate them to the smaller size. The portrait screen keys are right about the size Apple currently uses in the split keyboard, and the landscape keyboard are larger than that. Perhaps not what everyone would consider ideal, but even the full-size iPad is considered by many to be a pain to type on for reasons other than key size.
There is also pretty good dictation working in the latest iDevices


3. It's supposed to be so much more portable than an iPad until you realize you simply can't put it in your pocket... and you end up carrying it like a folio just like the iPad.

This is simply wrong.
It doesn't disappear into a pocket like an iPhone, but it can be slid into a large number of what could only be considered "normal" sized pants and jacket pockets -- it depends on the width of the device


4. Most content looks terrible on it because of how odd a size the screen is. The full Web isn't good and neither is the mobile Web. It's a size of screen that isn't worth developing custom UIs for: when it's small like an iPhone you can get innovative with well established UI practices and when it's big like an iPad you don't have to really do anything: the full Web looks great. The only thing the screen size is good at is displaying a novel and video. That's it.

Once again, do the iPad screenshot and rotate experiment.Try opening the same webpage on the iPhone and iPad, and then shrink the iPad screen and hold it next to the Phone and see which on looks more usable.
Yeah, some of the touch targets can be mighty small - but there are plenty that are already too small on the regular iPad screen (such as this site). Pinch and zoom isn't a major catastrophe.

Now move to apps. If you have a useful app that has an iPhone and an iPad version, do the same iPad screenshot and rotation, and see which one looks more useful. iPad apps are simply more functional.


5. Cannot be used via one handed hold: awkward.

Simply wrong! Most average size adult hands can easily one hand a 7.85" iPad with narrow bezels.

In other words, it's not better at anything compared to a smartphone other than perhaps reading novels and watching movies. But with the Retina screen on iPhones and iBooks Reader some would argue the opposite for reading. It just makes too many compromises to justify its existence.

Again, simply wrong.

Anything you would want a deice that runs functional iPad apps, that you can securely hold in one hand, and that you can easily slip into and out of a pocket to free up your hands to do other things, is where the mini iPad would be better than an iPhone.

Just one example: Doctors and nurses -- Do want them struggling to read or enter your medical records or images on an iPhone screen with less functional iPhone apps? Do you want them to have to devote two hands to holding a full sized iPad securely so it doesn't get bumped out of their hands in a sometimes chaotic environment? Do you want them to have to fumble around through some extra bag or pack that they have to carry around just ti have the iPad with them? No you do not.

Filler to make post stick.
 
Filler to make post stick.

1. Screen is not a large enough increase over smartphones to warrant use over a smartphone.

If you have an iPad and an iPhone, you can easily see the difference. Just set the two sids by side and have then display the same photo in iPhoto that fills up the screen in landscape mode. Now rotate the iPat to portrate position. The image on the iPad is mow a shown a bit smaller than it would be on a 7.85" iPad. Is there really not a significant difference?


First off what are you talking about, really? Second, this in no way whatsoever demonstrates that the iPad is not a big enough jump in screen size over a smartphone. It's a zillion tasks that make the screen jump worth it. One being viewing Webpages.

2. The size of the onscreen keyboard is awkward and not conducive to efficient typing (it's not near full size and it's not small enough for one handed typing).

Again, you can see what this would be like by rotating the iPad.Take a screenshot of the iPad keyboard in both landscape and portrait mode. Open the shots in iPhoto and rotate them to the smaller size. The portrait screen keys are right about the size Apple currently uses in the split keyboard, and the landscape keyboard are larger than that. Perhaps not what everyone would consider ideal, but even the full-size iPad is considered by many to be a pain to type on for reasons other than key size.
There is also pretty good dictation working in the latest iDevices


You have to hold a 7" tablet the exact same way as you do an iPad in portrait typing on it, yet the keyboard is much smaller with some keys cramped. The problem here is hit size areas. The hit areas for each key are much smaller than on the iPad. What makes the iPad keyboard so good compared to smaller screened tablets is that the hit area per key is really big and harder to miss. Less spurious inputs. It's awkward to hold any tablet. Yes, the keys on a 7" tablet are bigger than on a smartphone, but smartphones have truncated keyboards: the Kindle Fire for instance, like many other tweeners, tries to cram a fullsize keyboard into the screen. It's harder to type on because all of the keys are cramped.

http://www.nafzinger.com/2011/11/16/kindle-fire-review/

3. It's supposed to be so much more portable than an iPad until you realize you simply can't put it in your pocket... and you end up carrying it like a folio just like the iPad.

This is simply wrong.
It doesn't disappear into a pocket like an iPhone, but it can be slid into a large number of what could only be considered "normal" sized pants and jacket pockets -- it depends on the width of the device


This is not simply wrong. This is a fact. Most people out there I will bet your life on it would never try to put a tweener tablet in their jeans or pants pocket. If they did, it simply wouldn't fit. I've got 2 Playbooks in the office and they don't fit my into my pants pockets... I'm over 6' tall. It's absurd to think that anyone would do this and even be able to do it. You could, however, place it in the inside pocket of a large overcoat. But the ones I've tried on mine... the tweeners are still too big to fit in there. And even if you do have pants pockets that will fit a tweener, nobody would do it because it would be protruding out the top of the pants. Sitting down would push to snap the device in half. It's dumb, and Jobs made fun of it in a Keynote and it does look absurd because it is absurd.

4. Most content looks terrible on it because of how odd a size the screen is. The full Web isn't good and neither is the mobile Web. It's a size of screen that isn't worth developing custom UIs for: when it's small like an iPhone you can get innovative with well established UI practices and when it's big like an iPad you don't have to really do anything: the full Web looks great. The only thing the screen size is good at is displaying a novel and video. That's it.

Once again, do the iPad screenshot and rotate experiment.Try opening the same webpage on the iPhone and iPad, and then shrink the iPad screen and hold it next to the Phone and see which on looks more usable.
Yeah, some of the touch targets can be mighty small - but there are plenty that are already too small on the regular iPad screen (such as this site). Pinch and zoom isn't a major catastrophe.

Now move to apps. If you have a useful app that has an iPhone and an iPad version, do the same iPad screenshot and rotation, and see which one looks more useful. iPad apps are simply more functional.


I'm sorry, but this just seems like a confused bit of dribble. The point is that the iPad offers an excellent Web experience because most Websites fit the iPad screen well without the need to even pinch and zoom or scroll sideways. It's not the case with smartphones and it's not the case with tweeners either. So the point is that there's little point in using a tweener over a smartphone but there is a point to scaling up to the size of an iPad. It mimics closely the size of an 8.5"x11" piece of paper. That's why magazines, newspapers, etc. can look decent on it. Not on tweeners. Then there's also PDFs... which look like crap on tweeners because they're too cramped. I can go on and on.

5. Cannot be used via one handed hold: awkward.

Simply wrong! Most average size adult hands can easily one hand a 7.85" iPad with narrow bezels.


Nobody one hand holds and uses tweeners at the same time. What I mean by this is inputing and typing, etc. You can't hold it in one hand and thumb type at the same time. And it's hard to hold for any length of time with one hand while reading. Now, razor thin eInk screened tablets are easier to hold with one hand and use, but still the form factor enforces upon the user the need to hold it with two hands steady to input into the screen or even flip pages.

In other words, it's not better at anything compared to a smartphone other than perhaps reading novels and watching movies. But with the Retina screen on iPhones and iBooks Reader some would argue the opposite for reading. It just makes too many compromises to justify its existence.

Again, simply wrong.

Anything you would want a deice that runs functional iPad apps, that you can securely hold in one hand, and that you can easily slip into and out of a pocket to free up your hands to do other things, is where the mini iPad would be better than an iPhone.

Just one example: Doctors and nurses -- Do want them struggling to read or enter your medical records or images on an iPhone screen with less functional iPhone apps? Do you want them to have to devote two hands to holding a full sized iPad securely so it doesn't get bumped out of their hands in a sometimes chaotic environment? Do you want them to have to fumble around through some extra bag or pack that they have to carry around just ti have the iPad with them? No you do not.


I am going to bet everything in this world you have never used a tweener tablet before. You CANNOT one hand hold a tweener and input information like thumb typing on a smartphone and you CANNOT pocket them. Once you realize this, you will realize they don't offer enough benefit over a smartphone with the compromises they make. That tweeners land you squarely into the category of an iPad in terms of the portability of the device and the way it's used.

And yes, I do want doctors and nurses using iPads because it's got the nicest, sharpest, fullest screen of any tablet. I want to make sure that if I have a tumor or something else that they'll be able to see it. That means they can leave the cramped tweeners at home in their spare laptop bag collecting dust.
 
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Just one example: Doctors and nurses -- Do want them struggling to read or enter your medical records or images on an iPhone screen with less functional iPhone apps? Do you want them to have to devote two hands to holding a full sized iPad securely so it doesn't get bumped out of their hands in a sometimes chaotic environment? Do you want them to have to fumble around through some extra bag or pack that they have to carry around just ti have the iPad with them? No you do not.

Do people just pull stuff out of their butts to support their arguments? "Doctors and nurses" have not been standing still waiting for the right size tablet. I have physician friends in various hospitals and at least two of those hospitals started rolling out pilot plans for tablet use with attending physicians with the iPad 1 (coincided with the governmentTARP initiatives for conversion to EMR systems). Nurses will not be using tablets anytime soon; their need to link into hospital systems is constant and it's just not conducive to tablet use (and not a small tablet in any case). And there are clueless people on other threads touting smaller iPad use for dentists. Dentists don't "round" they do procedures in set rooms which - for those who have bought into technology - already have computers (for digital x-rays and immediate access to records).

Professionals with a need for tablets haven't been sitting on their hands waiting for an "ideal" size, they use the technology that's available - and may very well be the ideal size for their needs.
 
I can go on and on.



And still not make any sense.

I've posted pictures of my Kindle Touch in it's case both being held easily in one hand, and stuck in my back pocket. I could link them here, but honestly, you don't seem worth the effort -- go look for them yourself.

Perhaps a doctor or nurse will come along and tell you what they would prefer to use.
 
Do people just pull stuff out of their butts to support their arguments? "Doctors and nurses" have not been standing still waiting for the right size tablet. I have physician friends in various hospitals and at least two of those hospitals started rolling out pilot plans for tablet use with attending physicians with the iPad 1 (coincided with the governmentTARP initiatives for conversion to EMR systems). Nurses will not be using tablets anytime soon; their need to link into hospital systems is constant and it's just not conducive to tablet use (and not a small tablet in any case). And there are clueless people on other threads touting smaller iPad use for dentists. Dentists don't "round" they do procedures in set rooms which - for those who have bought into technology - already have computers (for digital x-rays and immediate access to records).

Professionals with a need for tablets haven't been sitting on their hands waiting for an "ideal" size, they use the technology that's available - and may very well be the ideal size for their needs.

Do you just pull stuff out of your butt?

There are several demonstrated cases with hospitals adopting the iPad. And the reason is simple: because the product... the whole product with the ability to create good, enterprise driven Apps... with the high res screen... the ease of use... has been catching at hospitals. Yes, nurses and doctors use them. They use them to do rounds, for charting and for XRAY and MRI analysis.

Thousands of iPads flood Ottawa hospital:

http://www.mhimss.org/news/ottawa-hospitals-cio-explains-his-ipad-program

“At least half of our staff here in the emergency room has their own iPad and carries it and uses it.”:

http://www.cultofmac.com/64565/how-hospitals-are-using-the-ipad/

Post critical care:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/rehabcare/

I used to work for National Health Services. Patient records have been transitioning over to standardized erecords systems in the US and Canada over the past few years. The major catalyst has been the iPad. Before the iPad, devices were too complicated and constrained, and App development was too expensive and complex.

Montreal hospital using iPads for patient records:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ontreal-doctors-access-patient-info-ipad.html

iPad in surgery.

http://www.imedicalapps.com/2011/09/future-ipad-operating-room-game-changer/

Apple working to sell to hospitals:

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/12/apple-ipad-doctors/

Zillion other uses in hospital:

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/p.../ipad-3-whets-doctor-app-etites.html?page=all

Hospitals, Doctors... already are set up with erecord systems coming off secure servers where they can view patient info like MRI and XRAY scans from virtually anywhere as long as they're equipped with an iPad. It has greatly sped up patient processing.

In other words, you're wrong.

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And still not make any sense.

I've posted pictures of my Kindle Touch in it's case both being held easily in one hand, and stuck in my back pocket. I could link them here, but honestly, you don't seem worth the effort -- go look for them yourself.

Perhaps a doctor or nurse will come along and tell you what they would prefer to use.

knucklehead.
 
In other words, you're wrong.



Not at all.

Why are you presenting this as an either or situation when it isn't that at all.

I's really quite simple for anyone with as much as two brain cells to rub together to understand -- For any situation where you are on the move, and want to be able to quickly and easily be able to alternate between having your hands free with using a handheld device as capable as the iPad, something like the rumored 7.85 mini would be close to ergonomically ideal.

I have plenty of friends and family in the medical field that have worked as anything from receptionists, to ER docs, to medevac helicopter nurses. Just because iPads are being adopted for some situations doesn't mean they are appropriate for all situations. This is about scaling the technology to the task at hand. It doesn't matter if it's a first responder picking through a bus crash, or a commuter getting on and off subway lines -- If you want want the iPad's capabilities in an easily portable and accessible form, the mini is the way to go.
 
The only "NOT" that can be stated empirically regarding an Apple rumor is that random people on a web forum do NOT have a clue as to what Apple will and won't do. In fact, history indicates that as often as not (or more often), those who emphatically postulate that Apple will not turn a given rumor into reality are eventually proven dead wrong, to the cackling delight of his or her fellow forum members.
 
I think there will be a mini (or whatever they end up calling it). I'm bookmarking this thread and I will come back and gloat, or come back and admit I was wrong this fall. See you then ;)
 
Can everyone just stop with this rumour? This has become one of the worst, overhyped Apple rumours I've ever seen.

First, the sources for these rumours are crap: often times it's some Chinese publication putting it out.

Second, the size will be a waste. Jobs is right, 7" tablets are tweeners. They generally suck for content. Smartphones are now so useful you really need a compelling reason to drop the handheld for a tablet. The iPad is just big enough to justify its existence in this respect. There's no way Apple is going to release it for this reason... In other words, it's a dead category. The only reason this stuff gets perpetuated is because of link whores and Apple's ever present disinformation machine.

"Keep em' guessing; distract them; thwart their offensive efforts; cause confusion..."

I don't know, there wouldn't have been so long as Jobs was around but now, who knows?
 
Can everyone just stop with this rumour? This has become one of the worst, overhyped Apple rumours I've ever seen.

First, the sources for these rumours are crap: often times it's some Chinese publication putting it out.

Second, the size will be a waste. Jobs is right, 7" tablets are tweeners. They generally suck for content. Smartphones are now so useful you really need a compelling reason to drop the handheld for a tablet. The iPad is just big enough to justify its existence in this respect. There's no way Apple is going to release it for this reason... In other words, it's a dead category. The only reason this stuff gets perpetuated is because of link whores and Apple's ever present disinformation machine.

"Keep em' guessing; distract them; thwart their offensive efforts; cause confusion..."
You may very well have a rugged uphill climb on your hands with this agenda, good luck.
 
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