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There's no reason to have a 13" MBP alongside a 14" MBP. Period. The 13" MBP is just a Macbook, and has been for a while (it had no discrete GPU at the end of its Intel days). The only issue is that it's improperly named.

If you actually configure a 13" MBP with the 512 GB SSD and 16 GB of RAM that the 14" MBP starts with, it costs $1699 (compared to $1999 for the 14"). The Air with 512 GB and 16 GB comes in at $1449. There's no dramatic price gap to fill. Apple just doesn't list those configurations on the first page, you have to do it yourself to see. If Apple wanted a Pro laptop at a lower price point, they could reduce the starting SSD or RAM size of the 14" model, no need to put an M1 Pro in the 13".

Outside of muddying the waters more (and yes it would), binned hardware is supposed to be limited in quantity, otherwise their production processes are trash. It wouldn't even make sense to put it in something you intend as a high volume seller. They'd have to intentionally disable working cores to get to the volume needed. Better to just use an M2, which would have similar performance to an M1 Pro with a number of cores disabled anyway.

Edit: I'm really slow to replying to old replies to me. Has little to do with the current convo on page 10.
Disabling "healthy" cores, when you don't have enough lower quality chips is absolutely the common practise that chip manufacturers like Intel and AMD do. And there are other performance metrics, not just "hard" count of working cores to decide for the final products - some chips need more voltage than others for the same stability etc. The point is M1 Pros are not some precious gems that has to be sold at a certain level - they are tools/parts that allow you to scale to sell what customers want the most.
Apple's problem is not that they would have to bin more than "you seem worthy", but that they have $1K base model "everyone" wants, $2K base machine a lot of people want, but $1.3 machine than not a lot of people want, because it's too similar to the one at $1K and also can't be priced higher. But there are lot of people that would get $1.5K machine if the insides were better than 1K and worse than 2K. You can make a detail configuration to up ram, ssd, etc, but you're telling me there's no space for a $500+/- difference in base models most people buy? Not having a desirable model within $1000 difference is a huge deal. Not to mention there could be other benefits - you just need M1 Pro (worst of them) and sell it meaningfully in MBP13 with little modification, less parts shortage etc. To make 14" for just $500 more you need everything new. It even might be much easier to make M1 Pro MBP13" and sell it with better margin that 14" base.
 
There's no reason to have a 13" MBP alongside a 14" MBP. Period. The 13" MBP is just a Macbook, and has been for a while (it had no discrete GPU at the end of its Intel days). The only issue is that it's improperly named.

If you actually configure a 13" MBP with the 512 GB SSD and 16 GB of RAM that the 14" MBP starts with, it costs $1699 (compared to $1999 for the 14"). The Air with 512 GB and 16 GB comes in at $1449. There's no dramatic price gap to fill. Apple just doesn't list those configurations on the first page, you have to do it yourself to see. If Apple wanted a Pro laptop at a lower price point, they could reduce the starting SSD or RAM size of the 14" model, no need to put an M1 Pro in the 13".

Outside of muddying the waters more (and yes it would), binned hardware is supposed to be limited in quantity, otherwise their production processes are trash. It wouldn't even make sense to put it in something you intend as a high volume seller. They'd have to intentionally disable working cores to get to the volume needed. Better to just use an M2, which would have similar performance to an M1 Pro with a number of cores disabled anyway.

Edit: I'm really slow to replying to old replies to me. Has little to do with the current convo on page 10.
^This. There isn't really a "price gap" to fill between the MBA, MBP13 and MBP14 once you start from a common base of RAM or SSD size.

Apple simply offers and starting option at $1000, $1300 and $2000, and you can move within these ranges by configuring as desired.
 
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A: The M1 pro MacBook Pro is still not delivering as fast as it should, shoving it in another computer isn’t going to help. Meanwhile the M2 is very similar to the M1, and uses the same cores most likely as the A15, Apple probably has much better yields with that right now.
B: The MacBook Air and the 13 inch MacBook Pro absolutely did not have dedicated graphics, it was always integrated. And both computers, especially between 2016 and 2020, were well known for becoming overheated extremely quickly, and thermal throttling.
Switching to Apple Silicon is what they did to fix that problem, shoving a power-hungry M1pro and the smaller envelope would just bring the problems back.
Actually, it might help. We don't know whether the delays in delivering the M1 Pro/Max MBPs is due to the SoC fabrication or other issues. If it's other things (like screen availability), then putting M1 Pro/Max into other machines might avoid the bottleneck by using up all the production capacity to build other machines.
 
Okay among of all you guy's wise opinions i just say i want it! But i can't afford right now what to do!! ?:rolleyes: Any tips on that?
 
Okay among of all you guy's wise opinions i just say i want it! But i can't afford right now what to do!! ?:rolleyes: Any tips on that?
Need or want? I'd recommend avoiding the temptation of overspending unnecessarily because computers depreciate rapidly and attempting to "future proof" by over-specifying tends not to be economically effective - the upgrades depreciate even faster than the base computer, because what is today's upgrade is tomorrow's standard configuration.

As for reducing the cost:

1) Do you have a student or employee discount? (around 6-7% saving)
2) Can you buy with interest free credit (Apple offers this is some countries)
3) Can you discount the computer as a work or business expense?
4) If employed, can you get your employer to buy it for you "pre-tax", so that you don't pay for it on after-tax income? (This is called "salary sacrifice" in Australia)
5) Do you have an older computer to sell to offset the cost?

I have used the above in the past to essentially reduce the total cost to zero, taking into account the residual resale value.
 
Need or want? I'd recommend avoiding the temptation of overspending unnecessarily because computers depreciate rapidly and attempting to "future proof" by over-specifying tends not to be economically effective - the upgrades depreciate even faster than the base computer, because what is today's upgrade is tomorrow's standard configuration.

As for reducing the cost:

1) Do you have a student or employee discount? (around 6-7% saving)
2) Can you buy with interest free credit (Apple offers this is some countries)
3) Can you discount the computer as a work or business expense?
4) If employed, can you get your employer to buy it for you "pre-tax", so that you don't pay for it on after-tax income? (This is called "salary sacrifice" in Australia)
5) Do you have an older computer to sell to offset the cost?

I have used the above in the past to essentially reduce the total cost to zero, taking into account the residual resale value.
actually, you are right! It merely my temptation, not necessity ? and for the reduction suggestion, no any above points goes with me!
 
The entry level MPB doesn't really make sense in a world where we have the M1 MBA and the 14 MBP.

If it won't have the promotion display, what would you get for this that a specced up MBP won't get you?

Maybe a little more time at peak performance than the fan-less MBA, but if that really bothers you, just get the entry level MBP 14.
I got it for the brighter screen, better battery, better speakers, and better cooling.
 
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