There's No Windows for Arm Macs Yet Because Microsoft Has Secret Exclusivity Deal With Qualcomm

[Flood4]

Why it’s such a problem to not have W on Mac laptop?
The only reason I install parallel for Linux and windows was for school back then.
It was working great.

What are the possible scenarios to need the full power of your computer (with windows), maybe gaming?
Software dev?

 

[sunny5]

I hope Windows 11 support Apple Silicon Mac cause they made some kind of Rosetta 2 system and they are quite willing to support ARM architecture on Windows.

 

[kuwxman]

Just download Parallels and call it a day. Windows 11 works flawlessly on my MBP 14".

 

[MX348]

Microsoft, Just make Project and Visio for MAC and dilemma is over!

 

[thedocbwarren]

Microsoft, Just make Project and Visio for MAC and dilemma is over!

They are more likely to make it for the cloud and web-based.

 

[MBPM1]

I really struggle to understand why on earth anyone would put Windows on a MacBook.

1. Perhaps you want to use your Mac for pleasure but want to also use it for work (and work uses Window). Although simply running O365 using a browser pretty much eliminates having to run two OS's.
2. Perhaps there's some apps that only run on one OS, but not the other - issue solved when you can run two OS's.
3. Perhaps it's just cool and everything runs smoothly.
4. I struggle to understand such a shallow comment with little thought that others may have unique needs/wants.

My experience.

 

[JosephAW]

Next Monterey update: Qualcomm ARM Rosetta 3 emulation.

 

[JadedArsenic]

Well, it's not a secret anymore...

It never was. Microsoft said it was, and would stay, exclusive with Qualcomm with the Windows Phone.
Ref: this article from MAY, 2011.

Qualcomm

Qualcomm has announced that, just as with the first generation of WP7 handsets, its chips will be exclusively found inside the incoming range of Windows…

www.slashgear.com

 

[Mac_tech]

Just download Parallels and call it a day. Windows 11 works flawlessly on my MBP 14".

Isn't parallels subscription based? I purchased VMware Fusion a few years ago and not sure I want to get tired into a subscription.

 

[Jaro65]

I really struggle to understand why on earth anyone would put Windows on a MacBook.

What if some of us like our Macs but also need to run Microsoft Project or similar applications?

 

[Bandaman]

Isn't parallels subscription based? I purchased VMware Fusion a few years ago and not sure I want to get tired into a subscription.

Yes, it is, which I hate.

 

[blazerunner]

If Nvidia buys ARM it could get worse for Windows ARM on a Mac.

APPLE should have bought ARM.

Still think they should have bought Adobe. fine tuned the software and made some programs Mac only.

You think Apple should have bought ARM and Adobe? Why stop there.. why not buy Toyota? And Walmart? And VISA? And Pepsico? Perhaps Bank of America? Maybe they should buy out your property too and put you on a subscription model and charge the regular Apple-tax rate? Cuz you know, all hail the magnificent Apple!

 

[liberte1776]

VMWare is sleeping at the switch?!

 

[leman]

Each SoC has their own subtleties which requires the vendor to write their own OS drivers. You see this with any ARM based SoC that Linux drivers come from the vendor. Apple would need to write those drivers themselves for WoA and not Microsoft.

Oh, I agree fully. It’s just that I don’t see Apple doing it - at all. They don’t even want to write a Vulkan driver for macOS. How does one imagine them maintaining the full GPU driver stack for Windows (DX11/12, Vulkan, OpenGL)? Besides, having drivers is not enough to run WoA on Apple Silicon. It would require extensive patches on kernel level since it uses custom interrupt protocols etc.

 

[jhdezjr]

Don't people get a Mac to not deal with or use Windows? At least, that's what I experience at my job. I'm not biased since I use and own both.

 

[Dresling]

Apparently Microsoft don't want Windows running well on ARM. ?

 

[bartabum]

I mean, I setup a Windows 11 ARM VM on my M1 Max MacBook Pro from scratch using Parallels 17 and the latest ISO from the Windows Volume Login and it's working fine. *shrug*

 

[falainber]

So far, Windows on ARM has been a failure. Microsoft already abandoned it once in the past. Unless something changes, they may do it again. There is simply no demand for it.

 

[nsayer]

Yes, it is, which I hate.

The subscription is optional. You can buy the current version for a fixed price.

 

[nsayer]

So far, Windows on ARM has been a failure. Microsoft already abandoned it once in the past. Unless something changes, they may do it again. There is simply no demand for it.

Probably because the only way you can legally run it is on a crappy snapdragon.

 

[nsayer]

VMWare is sleeping at the switch?!

Essentially, yes.

They do have a preview out. You can shoehorn Windows into it, but Parallels has gone much further.

 

[nsayer]

Microsoft, Just make Project and Visio for MAC and dilemma is over!

Two down, hundreds of thousands more to go!

 

[nsayer]

This is why the delusion that "new" means "better" is just that... a delusion. New can be better. But not by default.

Windows 11 is better than Windows 8. That's a hill I will die on and I suspect I am not alone.

 

[Trusteft]

nope
might be a reason, but its not the reason
MS has become data collection company lately, and worst than google on it. why do you think win11 doesnt work without a MS account? they don't want you to use some apps as secondary OS on a mac. now money made that way. they want you to use this as your primary OS, collect data, sell ads and so on.

You don't need a MS account to use Windows. They nudge you towards it, but you don't have to.

Can I run Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?

Want to use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account? You can use the new OS with a local account, but some trickery may be required.

www.xda-developers.com

 

[HarrySc]

Not exactly on topic, but maybe something to consider…

I run a M1 Max Mac now but had to use one(!) Windows program I can’t replace currently. I used to run Win10 with VMware fusion before.

Instead of fiddling with a preview ARM Windows, I simply got an inexpensive mini Intel box running Windows 11 Pro. Just 230 EUR (should be the same in $). With a “headless” setup I can access it from my Mac using MS Remote Desktop. That’s working great and I do not need to buy Fusion updates any more.