These New Macs Are Coming in 2024

[deconstruct60]

I don't buy a new Mac until there is at least a 27" iMac for a fair price. Ridiculous that there are so many iMac 27" users still using 10+ year old computers because they need a larger screen in an all in one.

Timmy may have juiced the stock price but he has screwed those that made Apple.

Original iMac 15" display

iMac G3/233 Original - Bondi (Rev. A & B) Specs (iMac - Original, M6709LL/A*, iMac,1, M4984, None): EveryMac.com

Technical specifications for the iMac G3/233 Original - Bondi (Rev. A & B). Dates sold, processor type, memory info, hard drive details, price and more.

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Luxo Jr. iMac ... 15" display (2002)

iMac G4/700 (Flat Panel) Specs (iMac Flat Panel, M8672LL/A*, PowerMac4,2, M6498, 1873): EveryMac.com

Technical specifications for the iMac G4/700 (Flat Panel). Dates sold, processor type, memory info, hard drive details, price and more.

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bigger Luxo Jr. iMac 17" display (2002)

iMac G4/800 17" (Flat Panel) Specs (iMac 17" Flat Panel, M8812LL/A, PowerMac4,5, M6498, 1936): EveryMac.com

Technical specifications for the iMac G4/800 17" (Flat Panel). Dates sold, processor type, memory info, hard drive details, price and more.

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Apple didn't get a to > 24" iMac until 2009 [ almost 10 year after iMac was introduced]

iMac "Core 2 Duo" 3.06 27" (Late 2009) Specs (Late 2009, MB952LL/A, iMac10,1, A1312, 2309): EveryMac.com

Technical specifications for the iMac "Core 2 Duo" 3.06 27" (Late 2009). Dates sold, processor type, memory info, hard drive details, price and more.

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that is when Tim Cook was running the Mac operation. The larger than 24" screen iMac buyers didn't 'build" the iMac foundation and "make" Apple.


for 15-17" display "all-in-one" Apple sells the MBA 15" and MBP 16" in even higher numbers than the iMac ever sold.

The 'fair price' of the 27" iMac was a fluke of Apple (and Tim) herding folks who probably wanted an xMac into the the 27" iMac product. That additional volume reduced the panel price and kept the cost down for the ones who did want it. The Mini and 21.5" iMacs were kneecaps on procoessor options so if needed the performance and didn't have Mac Pro money ... the 27" was the only option.

That 'herding' factor is basically gone. MBA / iMac / Mini (plain) / entry MBP all use the same basic chip. Mini Pro / Studio Max are covered by the MBP 14"/16".

 

[MichaelDroste]

Coming from a 2019 tower- dont

Not just a laptop?

Apple needs a cheaper A* Class MacBook.

Don’t want to go backwards in terms of cores and power

 

[DrWojtek]

All our base model Macs have 8GB of RAM and we think you're gonna love it🙄.

”We originally were gonna put in 32 GB as base. Then we decided to listen to our users and cut the size instead. RAM takes up plenty of space but we managed to put in what you need. Here is our new mac nano. Starting at $599 with 4 GB RAM”

 

[Darren.h]

just what I want. a highly breakable MacBook or MacBook pro

no thanks. I will wait for the m4 max studio

 

[AlexESP]

The "wrong" is called Apple wants to be richer than their "richest company in the world" title they often hold already... and fattening the margin greatly helps with that. FYI: traditional "high" Apple margin was about 38%-40% for many years vs. current margin throughout the "inflation/supply chain/covid" period evolving towards 50% and will probably be there in the next year or two.

Android product makers don't necessarily seek so much margin. Apple gets away with it because "we" seem willing to just pay towards anything and then rationalize all contributing variables (like undersized RAM in 2024 to each other). Android probably couldn't get away with "just pay anything" pricing because Android buyers either WOULDN'T "just pay" and/or has many competing Android offerings to pressure price & margin DOWN. One way they can woo more buyers is up their specs and sharpen their pencil on margin... which means more of the money buying that device is going towards the device instead of scalped away to the cash vaults.

This setup works just fine for AAPL. We Apple consumers enable such things by opting to "buy anyway" and "pay anything" to do so. They get heavily rewarded in many ways for opting for "too little base RAM in 2024" and similar. If consumers as a group would vote "NO" on 8GB base (by NOT buying 8GB Macs), Apple would very quickly up the RAM. But instead, we gripe/moan/complain and then buy anyway. They earn their bonuses. Wall Street applauds "another record quarter...". Media refers to them as genius business people. Etc.

That sounds like Apple has captive customers and they’re very greedy, but there’s another way to say it: customers prefer the iMac with 8GB of RAM to similarly priced PCs with 16GB of RAM.

 

[JesterJJZ]

MacPro is the odd duck. Wonder how long it will take to become extinct. M chips and MacPro design are at odds

Some of us like to have everything inside one machine and are willing to pay the premium. Large internal Time Machine drive, internal SSD array is enough for me to want it around. I think MPX modules are coming back too. Extra processing cores etc.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

...Since the office runs on intel machines, and Monterey seems to be the final OS before they threw stability completely out the window, an early M2 mac running Monty means you can run the same non-vm apps as your intel Macs, for proper version compatibility. Seems to be the final stage of everything working, before "the ecosystem" just totally falls apart.

No one should consider an M2 especially right now, just wait for the M4.

And then what? Take the M4 back in time to get Monterey on it? Your post quoted my use case that your unsolicited suggestion completely obliterates.
This kind of advice is why I wasn’t asking for advice.

 

[svish]

Excited to see the new Macs. Wonder whether there will be any new colours for iMac. Hopefully the M4 Macs will have 12GB as base RAM.

 

[opeter]

MacPro is the odd duck. Wonder how long it will take to become extinct. M chips and MacPro design are at odds

It wont last long. They will simply discontinue it as they did with Xserve and iMac Pro... They will tell you, that if you want power, buy a Mac Studio or else.

 

[opeter]

Hopefully the M4 Macs will have 12GB as base RAM.

Hope dies last.

 

[sevoneone]

I would still bet on Apple only increasing the base RAM up to 12 GB :/

Almost certainly because they can then use the same 6GB DDR5 RAM chips x2 in the base M4 for 12GB that they can use 3x of in the Pro for the base 18GB, that is assuming the memory controller config remains the same in the M4. Only reason 8GB was still the base on the M3 is becuase they either have/had a large supply of 4GB chips or they were able to get them very cheap. If Apple can get 6GB chips for cheaper in bulk now and have one base component, you can bet the M4 will have 12GB standard.

The better 3nm process of the M4 might mean more memory controllers and the Pro chip this time around can go back to a 256-bit memory bus and both Max chips at 512-bit. If that is the case we'll probably see the base RAM on the M4 Pro go to 24GB (4x 6GB) base and the Max to 48GB (4x 12GB) base. I tend to guess the reductions in memory speed on the M3 Pro/Max were compromises to get to 3nm. If that is the case and its been fixed on M4, I think a lot of people will be happy this fall.

I’m guessing 3 USB-C ports for the M4 Mac mini, but 5 USB-C ports for the M4 Pro Mac mini.

I am willing to bet the new Mini will get the iMac's power brick with Ethernet as a means for making space for extra USB-C ports.

Not just a laptop?

Apple needs a cheaper A* Class MacBook.

You can still get new M1 MacBook Airs from WallMart and other retailers. Apple's solution for that is already echoing the iPhone: offering current, last and 2 generations back hardware options and price points. I think that will continue to be the strategy.

 

[Daventry]

As an owner of a 2019 16” MBP, is it worth upgrading to a M3 Pro or Max by taking advantage of current discounts at Best Buy? Or best to wait for M4 Pro and Max?
One caveat though - I live in Europe, going to the US next month. It would cost about 20% less than over here… I’m 95% sure this saving offsets the potential improvements of the new MBPs but I could be wrong.
Next time I should plan my trips to the US so that I’m there for a MBP refresh! 😅

 

[aries81]

It would cost about 20% less than over here…

don't forget they add tax to the advertised price.

 

[Daventry]

don't forget they add tax to the advertised price.

Yes, I have factored that in. Final price after tax is $3072.94 vs £3299 in UK.

As of now $3072.94 is around £2,386.63.

 

[aries81]

Yes, I have factored that in. Final price after tax is $3072.94 vs £3299 in UK.

As of now $3072.94 is around £2,386.63.

That IS decent.

 

[branca]

It's almost September, but Apple still has multiple new product launches planned for 2024. New iPhone 16 models and Apple Watches are coming in September, and we're also going to get at least three Mac updates with M4 chips this year, according to rumors.

Here's what's on the horizon.

MacBook Pro

Apple plans to refresh both the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models, adding M4 chips. The MacBook Pro lineup was last updated in October 2023, so the machines are due for a yearly refresh.

Apple did away with the 13-inch MacBook Pro last year, so there's now an entry-level 14-inch model, and that's what's going to get the standard M4 chip that was used in the iPad Pro.

Middle tier and higher-end 14-inch models will get the M4 Pro and M4 Max chips, as will the 16-inch models. The M4 chips are built on the 3-nanometer process, but compared to the M3 chips, they have improved performance, efficiency, and AI capabilities. Apple introduced a new, more powerful Neural Engine.

There are no design updates expected for the MacBook Pro models this year, with Apple focusing on internal improvements. Specifically, the M4 chip will be the star of the upgrade, and Apple is aiming to get its entire Mac lineup on the same M4 chip series across 2024 and 2025.

Mac mini

Unlike the MacBook Pro, Apple does have a design refresh planned for the Mac mini. According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, the Mac mini will be Apple's smallest computer to date, even smaller than the prior-generation version.

It is expected to be around the size of the Apple TV, though it will be thicker than the Apple TV and the current Mac mini, which is 1.4 inches tall. The machine will continue to be made from aluminum, just in an overall smaller package.

Apple has tested Mac mini models that have at least three USB-C ports, along with an HDMI port and a power cable.

Apple plans to use the M4 and M4 Pro chips for the Mac mini models, and since these never got an M3 update, they'll go from M2 to M4 and will see some notable performance improvements.

iMac

The 24-inch iMac is also expected to see an update this year, going from the M3 chip to the M4 chip. Design changes are not rumored for the iMac, so we can expect to see the same 24-inch display with multiple color options.

Apple is still exploring a version of the iMac with a larger ~30-inch display, but an iMac with a bigger display is not expected in 2024, and it's not clear if it will come in 2025, either.

Possible Launch Timeline

Apple does not typically unveil Macs at its September events, which focus on the iPhone and the Apple Watch. We're expecting Apple to hold an event around September 10 to unveil new iPhone 16 models, but Macs will likely come later in the year.

When Apple has Macs to unveil around fall, it often introduces the machines in October or November. Last year, for example, Apple held a Mac-centric event in October to refresh the MacBook Pro and iMac. October/November events aren't as consistent as iPhone events, so nailing down a target date is tougher. Apple has held second fall events on these dates in the past:

• October 30, 2023 - Scary Fast event with MacBook Pro and iMac.
  
• October 18, 2021 - Unleashed event with new MacBook Pro models and AirPods 3.
  
• November 10, 2020 - One More Thing event with M1 MacBook Air, Mac mini, and MacBook Pro.
  
• October 30, 2018 - Apple refreshed the MacBook Air, Mac mini, and iPad Pro.
  
• October 27, 2016 - Apple unveiled a new MacBook Pro and Apple TV app.

Apple could also skip an event and unveil the new Macs with a press release, though the small event we got last year for the M3 MacBook Pro and iMac models could be repeated in 2024.

Macs Coming in 2025

While the MacBook Pro, iMac, and Mac mini are expected to get the M4 chip before the end of the year, M4 updates for the MacBook Air, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro won't be happening until 2025.

Article Link: These New Macs Are Coming in 2024

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It's almost September, but Apple still has multiple new product launches planned for 2024. New iPhone 16 models and Apple Watches are coming in September, and we're also going to get at least three Mac updates with M4 chips this year, according to rumors.

Here's what's on the horizon.

MacBook Pro

Apple plans to refresh both the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models, adding M4 chips. The MacBook Pro lineup was last updated in October 2023, so the machines are due for a yearly refresh.

Apple did away with the 13-inch MacBook Pro last year, so there's now an entry-level 14-inch model, and that's what's going to get the standard M4 chip that was used in the iPad Pro.

Middle tier and higher-end 14-inch models will get the M4 Pro and M4 Max chips, as will the 16-inch models. The M4 chips are built on the 3-nanometer process, but compared to the M3 chips, they have improved performance, efficiency, and AI capabilities. Apple introduced a new, more powerful Neural Engine.

There are no design updates expected for the MacBook Pro models this year, with Apple focusing on internal improvements. Specifically, the M4 chip will be the star of the upgrade, and Apple is aiming to get its entire Mac lineup on the same M4 chip series across 2024 and 2025.

Mac mini

Unlike the MacBook Pro, Apple does have a design refresh planned for the Mac mini. According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, the Mac mini will be Apple's smallest computer to date, even smaller than the prior-generation version.

It is expected to be around the size of the Apple TV, though it will be thicker than the Apple TV and the current Mac mini, which is 1.4 inches tall. The machine will continue to be made from aluminum, just in an overall smaller package.

Apple has tested Mac mini models that have at least three USB-C ports, along with an HDMI port and a power cable.

Apple plans to use the M4 and M4 Pro chips for the Mac mini models, and since these never got an M3 update, they'll go from M2 to M4 and will see some notable performance improvements.

iMac

The 24-inch iMac is also expected to see an update this year, going from the M3 chip to the M4 chip. Design changes are not rumored for the iMac, so we can expect to see the same 24-inch display with multiple color options.

Apple is still exploring a version of the iMac with a larger ~30-inch display, but an iMac with a bigger display is not expected in 2024, and it's not clear if it will come in 2025, either.

Possible Launch Timeline

Apple does not typically unveil Macs at its September events, which focus on the iPhone and the Apple Watch. We're expecting Apple to hold an event around September 10 to unveil new iPhone 16 models, but Macs will likely come later in the year.

When Apple has Macs to unveil around fall, it often introduces the machines in October or November. Last year, for example, Apple held a Mac-centric event in October to refresh the MacBook Pro and iMac. October/November events aren't as consistent as iPhone events, so nailing down a target date is tougher. Apple has held second fall events on these dates in the past:

• October 30, 2023 - Scary Fast event with MacBook Pro and iMac.
  
• October 18, 2021 - Unleashed event with new MacBook Pro models and AirPods 3.
  
• November 10, 2020 - One More Thing event with M1 MacBook Air, Mac mini, and MacBook Pro.
  
• October 30, 2018 - Apple refreshed the MacBook Air, Mac mini, and iPad Pro.
  
• October 27, 2016 - Apple unveiled a new MacBook Pro and Apple TV app.

Apple could also skip an event and unveil the new Macs with a press release, though the small event we got last year for the M3 MacBook Pro and iMac models could be repeated in 2024.

Macs Coming in 2025

While the MacBook Pro, iMac, and Mac mini are expected to get the M4 chip before the end of the year, M4 updates for the MacBook Air, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro won't be happening until 2025.

Article Link: These New Macs Are Coming in 2024

I find it quite amazing that a company The size of Apple needs so much research and development to update a few computers. Sometimes it takes years to get a new Mac Pro. a new Mac mini takes more than a year or two and the iMac is in a similar situation. The use of the new chips is also confusing with the M4 in the iPad Pro and the M2 in the Mac Pro. Notable is also the amount of memory available and SSD size. Computers have similar amount of memory compared to iPhones. Internal drives start at 256 GB. It is almost impossible to have more than 2 TB.
But I admire Apple for its ability to thrive and to be so successful. I’m looking forward to see the Mac mini M4 and I will most likely buy one. I would be very happy if a new cheaper monitor was available. Let’s see.

 

[emulator]

I hope Apple can "explore" putting 16 GB of RAM in the base model iMac while they're at it... there's something wrong with having only 8 GB of RAM in a $1299 desktop when you can find Android phones with 16 GB of RAM on Amazon for $500 or less. 😬

That's tim apple for you. Selling a $2.44 8GB chip for $180.

 

[sequential]

Have there been any word on thunderbolt5 support? Without it these macs will get outdated rather quick.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

The Mac mini will be Apple's smallest, most expensive computer to date.

Expensive if considering value/$ compared to a larger, more expensive M4 Mac in the line-up, sure.

But it's not going to start at more than $599:

Gurman and other leakers and analysts don't mention any I/O beyond HDMI, power, and "at least" three USB-C ports. No mentions of ethernet, SD-card slot, USB-A ports. And they are describing it as an iPad Pro M4 in a box.

Sounds to me like a budget-tier Mac.

Also, think of Apple's fool-proof product design language, flawlessly instructing even the most tech illiterate what is more and what is less even without knowing the prices:



Regardless of whether you consider internal specs, CPU core count, number of ports, chassis/enclosure finish, weight, size, or any other aspect, Apple's product strategy is as clear as day: Size, power and price are always(!) tied together.

So, with this in mind, where would a smaller-than-a-Mac mini "Mac nano" sit in the (headless) Mac line-up?


"Mac nano" will be the most gimped Mac ever. But will also feature "built for Apple Intelligence" M4 and it starts at <$599. So the value proposition checks out.

"Mac nano" is the perfect product for increasing the Apple's desktop computer market share.

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

Don't care if the Mac miniii is any smaller, just want it to lose NO ports. Currently the mini pro has built-in power supply, Ethernet w/10GBe as option, 4 Thunderbolt/USB-C, HDMI, 2 old-style USB, headphones. Every single one of these ports is super useful and needed. If they make it smaller hopefully they'll have two rows of ports to fit them all in, and keep the internal power supply. If they move to an external power supply that will be terrible.

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They'll make the power supply external purely to make the mini smaller for marketing reasons.

 

[Ericplan]

It's ridiculous that we're more than halfway through 2024, and Mac accessories are still stuck with Lightning connectors. Hopefully, the USB-C versions will arrive with the next Mac mini, but realistically, we'll probably have to wait until the 2025 Mac Studio refresh

Why wait? Mac mini needs a Magic Mouse.

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

That only make sense if Apple is stuck on "there can only be two enclosures". The Pro SoC package needs more distribution paths than just the higher end laptops. To exclude it from the desktop line up has what advantage? None. It just gets less M4 Pro sold. An expensive chip to produce and goal is to sell less of them?

Mac Studio is a desktop computer, as is Mac Pro... and iMac Pro possible in 2025. That's three channels for the Pro SoC line, besides Mac laptops.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

* Except for the fact that Ross Young stated that the display panels for the M4 MacBook Pro are shipping for a 4th quarter launch. A peculiar statement since Ross only announces when there will NEW panels in a forthcoming Apple product — never for the same panels in an iterative update. Something to keep in mind.

Very impressive that you noticed this detail.

But you are right.

I don't see any changes to the size or shape of the MBP displays. But I can imagine Apple switching to a new, slightly improved display type.

Young said that tandem OLED in MacBooks happens no sooner than 2026. But maybe Apple surprises everyone later this year?

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

M1 Max is still sufficient for me, waiting until at least M5 Max to upgrade.

What I really want is to finally get USB-C Mac peripherals with these updates.

Would love them to develop a wired keyboard with built-in port-hub along the back edge of the keyboard with some great port variety back there. Would be a nice iMac Pro peripheral. Call it Apple Keyboard Pro.

Incidentally, I have given Apple this feedback several times over the years. As much as I like the iMac (much prefer AIO machines) its design can make it awkward to connect thumb drives, SD Cards and temporarily connected mobile hard drives, and such. Would be great if iMac Pro shipped with a wired Keyboard Pro with latest spec SD Card port and some additional ports built into the keyboard hub as an easy access iMac Pro port and keyboard peripheral. iMac Pro itself would still have ports for connecting other devices including desktop hard drives, printers and other devices. And, yes, iMac Pro should have an ethernet port and its power supply built-in. No to thinness for iMac Pro. Make iMac a functional AIO, not a thin sort-of-AOI.

 

[stiligFox]

Would love to see a USB-C PD powered Mac mini in a new, smaller form factor. The current form factor has been in use since 2010 with the only major change being the removal of the optical slot! I don’t think there’s any other current Apple product that has survived 14 years without an external dimension or shape change like that.

This will likely be my first Apple Silicon Mac. Super excited! I’ve been using hackintosh’s since 2015 and I’m looking forward to having a real bonafide Mac again.

The question is, will they be announced in September, or October?