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Flat is nice but the rounded look bugs me.

As much as i love my macbook it does reek a bit of ikea and after 3mths use the screen has gone all floppy and the side feels a bit tacky and bendable. This makes me think if this new sub-notebook is aimed at a consumer user market how durable is it going to be?

As for "Air" I'm thinking its to do with new wireless technologies. This is apple not nike.
 
Here's my first post, on Mac World eve, as it were. My shot in the early-morning-dark of what I think may be unveiled today. Maybe I'm just a fool caught up in all these rumors, but my intuition tells me that if indeed there is a new machine, it will be along lines such as these:

-Basic clamshell form factor. No ungainly swivel screen to make it into a tablet; too complicated and inelegant. I join the several voices here who doubt that the case will be tapered; little precedent in the current Apple esthetic, the back of the iMac notwithstanding.

-Compact, but still large enough for a keyboard comfortable for average sized hands. So it will be larger than an Asus Eee, but smaller than a MBP. Perhaps the width of the 12" Powerbook, but the screen will be "widescreen" proportions and so will be smaller on the diagonal. The compact size yields all the advantages of increased portability. Smaller screen size is partially mitigated by:

-The keyboard, which instead of being mechanical, is rendered digitally on an optical glass touch screen, about the size of four or five iPhones placed side by side. This screen will occupy about 2/3rds of the area of the lower shell. The remaining third will be a wider than usual touch pad and a mechanical input button. (BTW, eliminating the mechanical keyboard is one way to get the thickness of the machine down by 1/8th to 3/16th of an inch. Also, it makes sense that Apple will leverage their "touch" R&D as much as possible, in this case making a large, usually "dead" spot of the machine interface into something dynamic and alive. There will probably be a separate SDK for this lower screen, for widgets and customized key layouts.)

-Though most have been replaced by the screen, there will be at least three mechanical buttons on the lower shell: power, touchpad input, and a "Home" button a la iPhone.

-The upper screen will be a non-touch, OLED display.

-Of course there won't be an optical drive. There may be a dock. But docks in general suck, so maybe not. Personally, I don't iDock.

-There probably won't be an ethernet port. Cause they jus too BIG to fit this slim design. Unless they use that collapsible design mentioned above, which to me just seems like a miniature cousin of the awkward titanium flap on the back of my PowerBook.

-Maybe support for WiMax?

-The machine won't be available till Q2, when the new ULV chips are.

Well that's my two bits at this late hour, or early, depending on what coast you're near. Whatever happens tomorrow on the other side of this city, I just hope it's lightweight and under $1500. Otherwise I'm going to hold onto my TiBook for another year and just get an Asus Eee for when I'm on campus!

~S.
 
Maybe when the notebook is closed the ports are collapsed, and when the user opens the notebook the ports expand. The collapsed ports could be located in the back of the notebook, and the necessary mechanisms could use same parts than the screen/upper part of the notebook.

Problem with that is, if you put the ports on the back, how do you plug your cables in? You probably close your notebook to make it easier to reach over the screen. Which you can't do, because closing the notebook collapses the ports.

I guess it's better than nothing, but it does not seem very elegant (neither does the whole idea of collapsible ports, really.)
 
People are Unrealistic

People need to get used to disappointment from Apple.

The problem is that people are unrealistic. I don't know how many times on different apple forums I see people talking about how Apple needs to come out with a Laptop that is 100% SSD, and it *will* have 1TB of SSD storage in it (that's obviously an exageration, but these people expect 100GB or more of SSD, in which case the drive alone would cost more than most laptops).

Sometimes Apple disappoints on things that are not unreasonable to expect... like an API for the iPhone when it was released to market, but more often than not people build up this 'perfect' idea in their heads and feel that "Apple obviously thinks the exact same way that I do." With the outrageous claims that some people make (and state as fact, not speculation), I wouldn't be all that surprised to see a serious post by someone claiming that Apple will start "targetting the scientific community" by bundling a $100k particle accelerator for free with every purchase of an iPod accessory from the Apple Store.
 
So you would have to unplug everything to shut the lid. That wouldn't get annoying would it :)

Apple need to get back to the iBook + Powerbook product lines.

Macbook - Current model + 'air' - thiner smaller.
MBP - drop the low end 15", replace with a 12" - with discreet graphics. Sony, Dell, HP, Lenovo can do it - Apple shouldn't take this long to replace a very popular product.

Doug
 
The problem is that people are unrealistic. I don't know how many times on different apple forums I see people talking about how Apple needs to come out with a Laptop that is 100% SSD, and it *will* have 1TB of SSD storage in it (that's obviously an exageration, but these people expect 100GB or more of SSD, in which case the drive alone would cost more than most laptops).

Sometimes Apple disappoints on things that are not unreasonable to expect... like an API for the iPhone when it was released to market, but more often than not people build up this 'perfect' idea in their heads and feel that "Apple obviously thinks the exact same way that I do." With the outrageous claims that some people make (and state as fact, not speculation), I wouldn't be all that surprised to see a serious post by someone claiming that Apple will start "targetting the scientific community" by bundling a $100k particle accelerator for free with every purchase of an iPod accessory from the Apple Store.

A lot of people on here want a ultra portable, but then want everything that is in the Macbook or Macbook Pro...things are going tog et cut, namely a regular hard drive, optical bay, ethernet, removable, firewire and anything else not necessary for a ultra-portable...I am expecting two jacks, USB and maybe an iPod connector should this Macbook be used as a sync device.
 
The other problem with previous tablet computers is that the manufacturer and software company (in previous cases Microsoft) attempt to put a full functioning OS into the tablet…. Herewith lies the problem… is not plausible to have a full functioning OS in a tablet and more to the point not necessary….

Depends on what you mean by "tablet". You mean one of those things without a keyboard at all, and the primary function is as a tablet? Or something like the ThinkPad X61 Tablet? If you are referring to the latter, I would have to disagree. The point of something like the X61-tablet is to have a laptop that can be used with a touchscreen when you need to use it (portable wacom, etc).
 
ummmm... why are those 'leaked pictures' running Tiger and not Leopard.

FAKE!

SJ and everyone at Apple must be having so much fun reading all this guff about a MBA
 
Flat is nice but the rounded look bugs me.

As much as i love my macbook it does reek a bit of ikea and after 3mths use the screen has gone all floppy and the side feels a bit tacky and bendable. This makes me think if this new sub-notebook is aimed at a consumer user market how durable is it going to be?

As for "Air" I'm thinking its to do with new wireless technologies. This is apple not nike.

You say that, but the original PowerBook Titanium books were rather flimsy, even though they were "Pro" laptops compared to the iBooks. Normal use would cause the case to bend and flex, and cracks would start here and there. (I personally don't know if the aluminum ones were more durable though)
 
So far no one has discussed CPUs. Is it going to have a 900Mhz celeron or a real CPU do you think?
 
Problem with that is, if you put the ports on the back, how do you plug your cables in? You probably close your notebook to make it easier to reach over the screen. Which you can't do, because closing the notebook collapses the ports.

I guess it's better than nothing, but it does not seem very elegant (neither does the whole idea of collapsible ports, really.)

Apples Patent shows (I think) a practical use of the collapsible ports. :cool:
 
ummmm... why are those 'leaked pictures' running Tiger and not Leopard.

FAKE!

SJ and everyone at Apple must be having so much fun reading all this guff about a MBA

Agreed. The marketing boys at Apple must be celebrating early with this sort of build-up for a product they may not even exist ! You couldn't pay for better publicity for the company !
 
iBooks. Normal use would cause the case to bend and flex, and cracks would start here and there. (I personally don't know if the aluminum ones were more durable though)

today's MBPs still bend and flex. Haven't seen any cracks so far
 
Depends on what you mean by "tablet". You mean one of those things without a keyboard at all, and the primary function is as a tablet? Or something like the ThinkPad X61 Tablet? If you are referring to the latter, I would have to disagree. The point of something like the X61-tablet is to have a laptop that can be used with a touchscreen when you need to use it (portable wacom, etc).

The Mac OS X user interface isn't designed for use with fingers. Similar to how the iPhone UI was designed for fingers, and not a stylus, I think the idea is there would have to be a whole new interface. Of course typing would be complicated, what with only one hand.

ummmm... why are those 'leaked pictures' running Tiger and not Leopard.

FAKE!

SJ and everyone at Apple must be having so much fun reading all this guff about a MBA

... Is this a joke? They say in the article they are photoshopped representations based on descriptions.

Apples Patent shows (I think) a practical use of the collapsible ports. :cool:

I posted that link earlier, and I don't think it's very workable, especially if you put the ports on the back as suggested.
 
I'm excited. My PowerBook G4 needs replacing. This thing is sure to get great battery life with all of the power drainer's being external and the rumor of Flash memory.
 
A lot of people on here want a ultra portable, but then want everything that is in the Macbook or Macbook Pro...things are going tog et cut, namely a regular hard drive, optical bay, ethernet, removable, firewire and anything else not necessary for a ultra-portable...I am expecting two jacks, USB and maybe an iPod connector should this Macbook be used as a sync device.

The problem is the definition of 'ultra-portable.' I see something like the ThinkPad X61 line or the PowerBook 12" as an 'ultra-portable.' But I've seen people claim that anything bigger than a DVD case is 'way too large and heavy for me.' It could happen, but I don't think that Apple is jumping into the Eee PC's pond just yet.

And ultra-portable can still have a lot of things in it if we stick w/ my definition. The PowerBook 12" had an optical drive, but the ThinkPad X61 series does not (it doesn't even have a trackpad... just the nub). But they are both around 3lbs and have similar dimensions. They both have regular hard drives. With the 8-cell battery the ThinkPad X61s (the one with a low-voltage -- but not an ultra low voltage like some of the ultra portable Sony Vaios -- Core 2 Duo) the estimated battery life is 8-9 hours. I read a review where with wireless internet active, it got 6 hours (granted, the lack of an optical drive probably helped this number to some extent). Some of the things people want are not unreasonable. They *are* on the market right now from different companies.

The unreasonable things are people expecting things like "Apple will definitely not have *any* cords to this thing so it will have a wireless external hard drive *and* a wireless external optical drive." Yet these same people have no clue about wireless technologies. They have no clue that right now no "wireless connection technology" is fast enough to support those type of data transfer rates. Over 802.11n, maybe the external drives would be possible as a NAS or something, but that's a lot different than something people would expect to be paired to a specific computer.
 
I'm excited. My PowerBook G4 needs replacing. This thing is sure to get great battery life with all of the power drainer's being external and the rumor of Flash memory.

Hope for LED backlight, the screen is a large draw on power too.
 
The Mac OS X user interface isn't designed for use with fingers. Similar to how the iPhone UI was designed for fingers, and not a stylus, I think the idea is there would have to be a whole new interface. Of course typing would be complicated, what with only one hand.

A large portion of Apple's market are artists. Taking your laptop, flipping the screen around and drawing on the screen in Photoshop with a stylus? Naw. No one would ever use that.

The power of a laptop that converts is not to have a "large iPhone to carry around." It's to use the touchscreen to input things that a keyboard can't.
 
A large portion of Apple's market are artists. Taking your laptop, flipping the screen around and drawing on the screen in Photoshop with a stylus? Naw. No one would ever use that.

The power of a laptop that converts is not to have a "large iPhone to carry around." It's to use the touchscreen to input things that a keyboard can't.

How much power are we talking about here? My understanding of the device is that it's pretty weakly powered -- designed only for web browsing, office, email, etc. At least this was what people have been saying with regard to the small hard drive size, limited ports, etc. Not really a Photoshop machine, as I understand it. Maybe you have something different in mind, though.
 
today's MBPs still bend and flex. Haven't seen any cracks so far

On my PowerBook:

* cracks around the screenhinges (though the hinges are completely different now)
* cracks in the case piece that covers over the optical disc slot, from pressure of hands resting on that part while typing

Just in general, the case depresses when I rest my palms on it to type too. Leading to the feeling that it is not "solid." Holding the laptop with one hand, causes a lot of flex in the case around my fingers on the bottom and the top of the computer. I personally don't remember this much flex on any of the Windows-based laptops that I've used (like Toshiba's, Sony's, etc).
 
The problem is the definition of 'ultra-portable.' I see something like the ThinkPad X61 line or the PowerBook 12" as an 'ultra-portable.' But I've seen people claim that anything bigger than a DVD case is 'way too large and heavy for me.' It could happen, but I don't think that Apple is jumping into the Eee PC's pond just yet.

And ultra-portable can still have a lot of things in it if we stick w/ my definition. The PowerBook 12" had an optical drive, but the ThinkPad X61 series does not (it doesn't even have a trackpad... just the nub). But they are both around 3lbs and have similar dimensions. They both have regular hard drives. With the 8-cell battery the ThinkPad X61s (the one with a low-voltage -- but not an ultra low voltage like some of the ultra portable Sony Vaios -- Core 2 Duo) the estimated battery life is 8-9 hours. I read a review where with wireless internet active, it got 6 hours (granted, the lack of an optical drive probably helped this number to some extent). Some of the things people want are not unreasonable. They *are* on the market right now from different companies.

The unreasonable things are people expecting things like "Apple will definitely not have *any* cords to this thing so it will have a wireless external hard drive *and* a wireless external optical drive." Yet these same people have no clue about wireless technologies. They have no clue that right now no "wireless connection technology" is fast enough to support those type of data transfer rates. Over 802.11n, maybe the external drives would be possible as a NAS or something, but that's a lot different than something people would expect to be paired to a specific computer.


I just tend to think that a sub-notebook is around 9 or 10" and missing ports in order to get to the desired weight and dimensions. Hence the "sub".

I only use the term "ultra", with the UMPCs. Which are handheld and around 7".
 
I would be surprised if Apple released such a thin laptop as on the picture. If it was possible, someone would have done it already. Unless you have a very low voltage cpu, which will be slow, you will get heat problems. There is no magic to avoid that. Will be interesting to see what happens...
 
Thought you guys might like this
 

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