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Things 10.5.1 still hasn't fixed

- After waking from sleep, my MBP SR randomly takes awhile to wake up and then the entire system is sluggish as the mouse skips across the screen. I cannot keep my machine up for more than 1 day before having to restart.

- My notes still don't work in Mail. Click the button, nothing. Select the option in the menu, nothing.
 
MacBook Wireless

Anyone with the MacBook (not the pro) know if 10.5.1 does NOT fix the wireless problems that some of us have been having?

My MacBook is still in the shop so I can't try the update. They replaced the AirPort card but it didn't fix it and I think they are replacing the motherboard.

Cheers
🙂:apple:
 
99.99% of the problems people are posting are probably machine specific. It's not Leopard that is causing the problems, it's probably because they didn't install the OS correctly, have system hacks, or have certain hardware specific problems that relate to Leopard (iMac freezes for example). I find it almost amusing that when someone has a problem, they automatically blame Leopard. When I have a problem (which I rarely do), I first check to see if others are having the same issue or if perhaps I might be doing something wrong. It's not an issue for Apple unless it happens to a statistically significant amount of users, is repeatable, and disrupts the function of your machine. Just because YOU can't play "insert your favorite game title" doesn't mean that Leopard is crap.

And just because YOU don't like Stacks doesn't mean Leopard sucks. For everyone who hates stacks... there are a dozen people who like that particular feature. Get used to it. I read one post where some guy said that he wouldn't upgrade to Leopard unless they "fixed" the transparent menu bar. For him, the WHOLE OS was broken due to this minor inconvenience. WTF??

I've installed Leopard (ran a simple upgrade from Tiger) and I'm having none of these problems. Or if I do run into a "problem" it is so insignificant that I don't give it a second thought. For example, repairing permissions takes a couple of minutes, but since I rarely do that, I could care less. As for the transparent menu? I found a word around that took me all of 5 minutes to implement! Instead of people struggling to make Leopard work for them, they should spend more time learning how to use it and adapt to some of the newer features. People go to great lengths to fight progress. And yes, Leopard is progress.
 
THX1139 said:
99.99% of the problems people are posting are probably machine specific. It's not Leopard that is causing the problems, it's probably because they didn't install the OS correctly, have system hacks, or have certain hardware specific problems that relate to Leopard (iMac freezes for example). I find it almost amusing that when someone has a problem, they automatically blame Leopard. When I have a problem (which I rarely do), I first check to see if others are having the same issue or if perhaps I might be doing something wrong. It's not an issue for Apple unless it happens to a statistically significant amount of users, is repeatable, and disrupts the function of your machine. Just because YOU can't play "insert your favorite game title" doesn't mean that Leopard is crap.

And just because YOU don't like Stacks doesn't mean Leopard sucks. For everyone who hates stacks... there are a dozen people who like that particular feature. Get used to it. I read one post where some guy said that he wouldn't upgrade to Leopard unless the "fixed" the transparent menu. For him, the WHOLE OS was broken due to this minor inconvenience. WTF??

I've installed Leopard (ran a simple upgrade from Tiger) and I'm having none of these problems. Or if I do run into a "problem" it is so insignificant that I don't give it a second thought. For example, repairing permissions takes a couple of minutes, but since I rarely do that, I could care less. As for the transparent menu? I found a word around that took me all of 5 minutes to implement! Instead of people struggling to make Leopard work for them, they should spend more time learning how to use it and adapt to some of the newer features. People go to great lengths to fight progress. And yes, Leopard is progress.
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While I do agree that some problems are caused by incorrect installations and/or customizations, it's not neaarly 99.99%.

My particular issue with my PMG5 not sleeping is not isolated, and is occurring on a clean installation of Leopard, and occurs with no additional hardware attached. A clean install would get me exactly to where I am (and it has), to no avail. This is something Apple needs to fix, not the user.
 
There is no way of changing the text size in Finder's sidebar (dreadful for my grandad with poor eyesight)

There should be a way (like in the betas) of dragging certain files to the dock to make a stack.

A nicer separator for the side-dock, instead of the zebra crossing rubbish

iTunes' crossfade playback slider is still buggy

P.S. Quay can be used for those not liking Stacks...
 
pdpfilms said:
While I do agree that some problems are caused by incorrect installations and/or customizations, it's not neaarly 99.99%.

My particular issue with my PMG5 not sleeping is not isolated, and is occurring on a clean installation of Leopard, and occurs with no additional hardware attached. A clean install would get me exactly to where I am (and it has), to no avail. This is something Apple needs to fix, not the user.
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Okay, then how about 99.98%? =)

I had the same problem of my computer not sleeping, only it happened when I was using Tiger. I tracked it down to my scanner. For some silly reason, my scanner was constantly chatting with my computer, and when I put my computer to sleep, the software would wake it up. I unplugged the scanner and the problem went away. In Leopard it's no longer an issue. Except, sometimes when I restart, the scanner runs a preview scan on it's own. It's an Epson problem, not Apple.
 
Leopard might be a progress after they fix the problems.

I can not still network with Vista and i have a brand new machine with clean install.
 
I have generally had a very good experience with Leopard. I upgraded a 20" C2D white iMac, the ones they had just before the Aluminum ones. The only thing I am kinda noticing is when Time Machine is doing one of it's hourly backups my computer slows down a bit, and sometimes random things get the "spinning wheel of death" when they never did in Tiger. I have 1GB of memory, maybe I should upgrade. But I don't see why Leopard should need more than 1GB of memory.
 
-CIFS Network performance no longer sufficient for streaming videos
(I have a WD Mybook world edition that stores all my videos. In leopard I can't view any of those videos directly from that share anymore. I worked very well in Tiger.)
 
bwlucas said:
- After waking from sleep, my MBP SR randomly takes awhile to wake up and then the entire system is sluggish as the mouse skips across the screen. I cannot keep my machine up for more than 1 day before having to restart.

- My notes still don't work in Mail. Click the button, nothing. Select the option in the menu, nothing.
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Damn, I have that too, it's F'D UP BEYOND IMAGINATION. I "upgraded" from a core duo mb to a brand new shiny 2,4ghz sr mbp @ release

* Graphics are damn slow in tiger & leopard, genie effect is like slow motion/skippy all over the place, the new dock is unusable on the mbp, and there is this waking from sleep problem. This is a f'ing 2400€ laptop!!!! I've seen 600€ laptops perform better ...

Other issues:
* isight on latest mbp's & latest imac's (tested) stop working after trying to use them under accounts to take a new account picture until reboot

* java AWT.SWT has now got a developer preview fix for 10.4 ... nothing for 10.5, I'm a java consultant working on a gwt project, I had to dust off an old windows desktop just to get my work down. Eclipse crashes all over the place on leopard when using eclipse + windowbuilderpro plugin. It's fast as heck on windows too

Switching to apple made me sad, upgrading to leopard made me sadder 🙁
 
- "Expert" fonts and perhaps other PostScript fonts with custom character maps are broken, just like they were in 10.3.5.
 
I formated my hard drive and did a fresh and complete install in Leopard on a 2.4ghz MBP.

I get the SUID warnings, Safari 3 blows, Aperture runs terrible on it and CS3 has ridiculously slow load times, the last two completely new for me.

This is my 4th re-install of leopard.

1st one I upgraded, terrible choice, 2nd time I backed up and formated the HD to do a clean install, I got the "BOSD." 3rd time I used it for a while till the whole machine started to slow down and Safari was crashing all the time, so I formatted and went back to Tiger. Then now I went back to Leopard when 10.5.1 came out...

Bleh 🙁
 
daschor said:
The transparent menu bar is by far the worst. There is no point in making such a setting mandatory. I will not upgrade to 10.5 until this basic usability issue is addressed. Human interface guidelines were developed for a reason. The lack of a setting for the transparency indicates a major failure on the part of the dev team.
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If it's such a big issue for you, this will sort it out
 
Time Machine and Expose/Dashboard problems

Whenever I "Delete All Backups" of a file in Time Machine the "Hot Keys" and Mighty Mouse buttons for Expose and Dashboard clear themselves. I no longer can click Button 3 on the mouse for Expose or Button 4 for Dashboard or F9, F10, F11 or F12 for their respective functions. It's a simple fix: I just go into the Expose/Spaces System Preference and re-set the buttons to what I want their functions to be, but it's still pretty annoying.

I was having the problem of the buttons clearing themselves for a while and finally narrowed it down to that function of Time Machine that re-sets them. I've been able to replicate these results multiple times.

Does anyone else have this problem? Can anyone else replicate this happening? I wanted to see if it's my system or if it's a bug overall.
 
THX1139 said:
99.99% of the problems people are posting are probably machine specific. It's not Leopard that is causing the problems, it's probably because they didn't install the OS correctly, have system hacks, or have certain hardware specific problems that relate to Leopard (iMac freezes for example). I find it almost amusing that when someone has a problem, they automatically blame Leopard. When I have a problem (which I rarely do), I first check to see if others are having the same issue or if perhaps I might be doing something wrong. It's not an issue for Apple unless it happens to a statistically significant amount of users, is repeatable, and disrupts the function of your machine. Just because YOU can't play "insert your favorite game title" doesn't mean that Leopard is crap.
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99.99% ?? Please, lay off the drugs 😀
 
Blacky said:
Damn, I have that too, it's F'D UP BEYOND IMAGINATION. I "upgraded" from a core duo mb to a brand new shiny 2,4ghz sr mbp @ release

* Graphics are damn slow in tiger & leopard, genie effect is like slow motion/skippy all over the place, the new dock is unusable on the mbp, and there is this waking from sleep problem. This is a f'ing 2400€ laptop!!!! I've seen 600€ laptops perform better ...

Switching to apple made me sad, upgrading to leopard made me sadder 🙁
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I've noticed the weird graphics thing too. I mean come on- Quartz Extreme has been around for years. There's really no excuse for the genie effect being choppy. Column view is also really poky.
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
-Sharing still doesn't work (Leopard sees the other computer's icon, but displays empty content and rejects registrated users due to invalid username/password)
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I'm not having a problem with registered users, but unregistered users. Unless I click "Connect As..." and login with a valid username and password, the connection fails. I believe it should instead display the public folders, no? (Yes, all of my settings are correct.)

JayLenochiniMac said:
-Right clicking doesn't work in dashboard
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Yes!
 
bwlucas said:
- After waking from sleep, my MBP SR randomly takes awhile to wake up and then the entire system is sluggish as the mouse skips across the screen. I cannot keep my machine up for more than 1 day before having to restart.
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Exact same problem. It's almost quicker to shut the machine down instead of letting it go to sleep and then waiting it for it to act normal.
 
STACKS

The most miserable and painful addition to OS X ever. Whoever decided to take out hierarchy view like in Tiger is a f****n i***t. I'm fine with everything else in leopard, everything seems OK except for stacks.

Oh, and when using quickview in fullscreen mode, there should be an option to go to the next file/image in a folder. You can do this when you preview an image in windowed mode, but not full screen. I wonder where logic/reasoning came in on that particular feature.
 
gunthian said:
-MacBooks and MacBooks Pros still have issues with the built-in keyboard randomly freezing
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This problem needs more attention. Apparently Leopard has a problem with waking Santa Rosa MB/MBP keyboards from hibernate (sleep mode 3). Clean install, no 3rd party apps, doesn't matter. Ridiculous. It makes Leopard horrible to use for a good chunk of notebook users. I had to downgrade back to Tiger.
 
chem said:
This problem needs more attention. Apparently Leopard has a problem with waking Santa Rosa MB/MBP keyboards from hibernate (sleep mode 3). Clean install, no 3rd party apps, doesn't matter. Ridiculous. It makes Leopard horrible to use for a good chunk of notebook users. I had to downgrade back to Tiger.
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There's a problem waking from deep sleep (black screen, etc), but I've also been getting the dead trackpad after deactivating hibernate mode, so it's not limited to that.

Stuff that still happens on my MBP after 10.5.1 :

- airport doesn't always reconnect on wakeup (switching airport off and back on fixed the problem each time, no reboot needed)
- trackpad dies (it might be this only happens after sleeping, I'm not sure), reboot needed (connecting an USB mouse at that point works, but doesn't restore the trackpad)
- waking from deep sleep is like playing russian roulette : you never know if you'll get a blank screen, non-responsive trackpad, sluggish mouse ...
 
THX1139 said:
99.99% of the problems people are posting are probably machine specific. It's not Leopard that is causing the problems, it's probably because they didn't install the OS correctly, have system hacks, or have certain hardware specific problems that relate to Leopard (iMac freezes for example). I find it almost amusing that when someone has a problem, they automatically blame Leopard. When I have a problem (which I rarely do), I first check to see if others are having the same issue or if perhaps I might be doing something wrong.
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Sure. The keyboard/trackpad freezing problems and the hibernate problems are quite hardware-specific, since they only happen on MB/MBP. But there's been quite a lot of reports for these, and that never happened with Tiger. Whoever says this is not a Leopard problem needs to get a brain for Christmas.

Come to think of it, the airport problem is also hardware-specific : it only touches machines with an integrated airport interface. Oh, wait, that's every single machine Apple has sold this year ...

Yes, Leopard has many great features, and yes, some features (eg, stacks) are sub-par. I clearly prefer Leopard to Tiger, even though Tiger did a couple things better. But Apple really messed up some basic, essential stuff. Having your laptop's keyboard or trackpad freeze, or losing your network connection, or having your machine not wake from sleep, all of these can clearly be traced to Leopard.

For a company whose business model is tied to a very tight hardware/software coupling, they've messed up big time.
 
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