IMO the "Trash" folder shouldn't be visible to the user at all. Let people delete things, and then simply have the ability to "salvage" or "undelete" them as necessary using a Time Machine style UI.
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By that reasoning, there should be no "trash", just automatic, permanent deletion. And that's how it used to be. But fortunately some smart cookie (possibly NeXT) realized that people want a buffer -- the ability to mark something for deletion, but have an easy way to recover it in case it's actually still needed.
There is a partial analogue for physical trash: people sometimes toss paperwork in the trash, then realize they still need it and fish it out before the trash is emptied.
While I rarely fish through my digital trash, having to empty my trash completely to remove files from a digital camera or flash drive is asinine. They should have their own trash, deleted separately from the others. To me, it's like requiring all computers on a network must have trash deleted for any one of them to be deleted. It's a method designed to simplify life for Apple developers, and not the actual users.
think of it as putting files you're not sure you need in a folder called "trash."
and a day you might be low on memory, you know you can delete things in this folder to free up some space.
Yeah...
Still don't understand that reasoning.
Much simpler to make a new folder and toss it in the dock. Need to free up space? Delete some of those items.
I guess I equate a computer's trash to a regular trash bin. I would in no way put anything in the trash I wanted to keep.
Still don't understand that reasoning.
Much simpler to make a new folder and toss it in the dock. Need to free up space? Delete some of those items.
I guess I equate a computer's trash to a regular trash bin. I would in no way put anything in the trash I wanted to keep.
I don't know about others but I tend to put things that I'm sure I don't need in the trash, rather than things I'm not sure I do need. There are a helluva lot of things that I'm not sure I do need.
I mark things with an underbar _thus , and perhaps zip them too, if I'm not sure about them.
I put files I'm not sure I'll need in a folder called "Temporary," and I put files I'm sure I won't need anymore (or sure it won't matter if I lose) in the Trash. Then on the rare day I make a mistake, or decide I need something in the Trash and it's easier to get it there than download again/get from my other backups/etc., I can go get them, but I can also empty it any time without fearing losing anything important.
I guess every element has probably been done to death by page 26, but might as well drop my 2p in...
There's very little I dislike about Macs, I think they're fab. But there are a couple of things I hate about them:
1) Fanboys.
They exist for everything (even Windows), but none I have ever seen are as blindly worshipping nor as condescending or widespread as they are in the "Mac Community". You know the types, they insist that everything Apple do is perfect and make up endless excuses or denials (on Apple's behalf, without being asked to) for any flaws or shortcomings.
Apple could re-badge a calculator and call it the new Mac, and these people would still be saying "this is the best Mac ever, what did you want all those apps for anyway? I never used them" etc etc and then go on a flame-war with anyone who dares to complain that it's just a calculator.
You try to get help with a problem, and hit "a wall of denial a mile high" as one journalist put it.
I don't know which I hate more, the elitism and "f*** off learn to program you n00b" attitude of the Linux crowd, or the Fanboyism of the Mac crowd.
2) Apple's attitude lately
Arrogance. Suing their biggest fans. Artificially crippling things for no reason other than trying to force you to buy a model up with a fatter profit margin. I could go on, but it's approaching the end of my lunch hour....
I hate 1 more than 2. In general I like Apple and what they do, but if there's one thing that annoys me that's it.
Agreed. I see many an Apple fan trying their best to support the company and defend a product they would never buy, and defending it to the death. Any retaliation and the flame wars begin. Of all the fanboys that do exist I think Windows fans are the most humble. They know their OS isn't that great but it's more complete and functional than Linux and it has far more superior hardware than anything Apple has produced so far.
As for the Trash Can things developing.... I thing people need to make up their minds. I empty the trash constantly, anything I throw in their is obviously trash.
But that'll fill up HD space quickly. Solution? External. What do we have? Time Machine
Trash is just a quicker form or Time Machine for recently deleted files essentially..
No, it wouldn't. It'd just take advantage of a concept that has always been around: that when you delete a file it isn't actually gone from the disk until it's been overwritten - it's just marked as "deleted" and rendered completely invisible to the OS. I haven't seen it much for Linux or Mac OS, but over on the FAT32 and NTFS filesystems of Windows there are hundreds of "undelete" apps. As long as you're not already short on space (and thus overwriting free areas of the disk all the time) deleted files can be recovered months later.
One of the best implementations I've seen is Novell Server which we use at work. It keeps a full record of everything you've deleted, the areas of the disk it took up and whether or not it can be salvaged. Then you just go to "Salvage" and either pick a folder or do a spotlight-style query and restore the files. Where possible, and presumably where it won't have too big an impact on fragmentation, it tries to write over the "oldest" data first when you create new files.
I'm not sure about the Windows fanboys you're talking about, but there are certainly a lot of Windows users I run into that claim Mac's are nothing more than a pretty-looking poser of an OS that no one uses but snobby, pretentious artists who sit all day in coffee shops talking about their own farts. That's certainly not humble...
Apple fanboys generally are talking from experience with both OS's and are generally logical--if stubborn and impractical, sometimes--rather than sheer ignorance like the Windows users I'm talking about.
Of course, you could be talking about those command prompt lovers who go through their registry and change everything about their Windows machine knowing it's a lot more work than OS X but prefer to ease with which they can change things w/r/t the inner workings of their system. In which case, I totally get your point. Those guys are much better than the average "OMG Macs aren't REAL computers; don't you have to be an artist to use one?" Windows user to which I'm referring as well as the average Apple fanboy. And of course, they usually have a PC with Linux on it sitting around, too...
Apple Fan boys annoy the s(*t out of me
and the right click thing on macbook kinda annoying but its like second nature to do it now
and the right click thing on macbook kinda annoying but its like second nature to do it now
Nah, those are plain old Apple fans. I'm one of those; someone who has experience and knowledge of other systems/OSes and can see both the pros and cons of everything including Apple's gear - but has a special place in his heart for the Apple stuff. A fan is a supporter who still has the ability to think and behave logically around their subject.
Can't speak for others, but when I say "fanboy" I mean it in a much more extreme way, the kind of person who refuses to acknowledge anything negative about anything of the brand they support and launches into a massive tirade against anyone who raises even the most constructive criticism against it.
Ah. I guess I've just run into fewer of those than most people on here, then.
How about those Windows fans/fanboys?
I think the idea of fanboys is largely a myth. Of course, they do exist but their numbers are small. What I see happening are threads where Windows users talk about the lack of a 2-button mouse, the Mac being simple, unaware of its Unix base, thinking that the red-X should close the application etc. etc., and Mac users explaining/defending the Mac and being labelled fanboys.
I feel sorry for the guy who had post #666. Oh, by the way, maybe we should create a "Things you HATE about Windows" forum. That way, we could all vent our steam somewhere else.
I think this thread has almost become large enough to be a forum itself.
I think this thread has almost become large enough to be a forum itself.
Well, one of us had to draw the number of the beast. Didn't even notice.
Who's venting steam?
Personally, I agree with macgruder.
Windows fanboys do exist, but they're few and far between.
Heck there are few Windows "fans"/supporters I can think of, never mind fanboys. Paul Thurrott (supporter, journalist, acts mature so not a fanboy), and er.. that's about it! Not a dig at Windows, but let's face it, it doesn't quite have the same charm.
Many years ago I used to comment on all the new releases at "betanews.com", I seem to remember there were a few of that sort there. Not sure if they still hang out there.
Discussions like the 1 button mouse... an intelligent response is "it's a design choice and I'm glad Apple are unique - I disagree with your idea that it should just imitate Windows based mice" or other ways that add to a fair and intelligent comment to a civilised, open discussion on the subject.
A fanboy response is "oh god some retard coming from windows, single button is THE best way so **** and go back to Windows I'm sick of hearing it". Huge difference.
Heck there are few Windows "fans"/supporters I can think of, never mind fanboys. Paul Thurrott (supporter, journalist, acts mature so not a fanboy), and er.. that's about it! Not a dig at Windows, but let's face it, it doesn't quite have the same charm.
Many years ago I used to comment on all the new releases at "betanews.com", I seem to remember there were a few of that sort there. Not sure if they still hang out there.
Discussions like the 1 button mouse... an intelligent response is "it's a design choice and I'm glad Apple are unique - I disagree with your idea that it should just imitate Windows based mice" or other ways that add to a fair and intelligent comment to a civilised, open discussion on the subject.
A fanboy response is "oh god some retard coming from windows, single button is THE best way so **** and go back to Windows I'm sick of hearing it". Huge difference.
I don't know. If I complained that in the PC world you had to use DOS and there was no GUI, I would expect to be called an idiot.
That's not really what he said.
For what you said to make sense in his argument it would be a mac user saying
"PC only has DOS and no GUI"
and then the PC user responding
"oh god some retard coming from OSX, DOS is THE best way so **** and go back to OSX I'm sick of hearing it"
What I really hate is how adictive they are, to the extent that in most companies where I worked I have to spend most of my day with Windows based PCs that make me love even more to use my Mac at home.
Now with my iPhone I can have a quick fix wherever I want, if only its battery last longer...
For the company I'm working for now, I could bring my own Mac and access Lotus Notes via www.myinotes.com so I could avoid wasting time with a Windows based PC, I'm only waiting for the new MBP to come... And how I hate the wait!
Now with my iPhone I can have a quick fix wherever I want, if only its battery last longer...
For the company I'm working for now, I could bring my own Mac and access Lotus Notes via www.myinotes.com so I could avoid wasting time with a Windows based PC, I'm only waiting for the new MBP to come... And how I hate the wait!
I think what he's saying is it's an invalid example because you can plug in any mouse you like (and the Mac desktops come with a Mighty Mouse). Which is fair enough, but it was just an example plucked out of the air - just ignore the exact specifics of the example (or think of it as someone complaining about the behaviour of the "maximise" button)... it's the way people react that I'm trying to point out.
it would be cool if they added a bigger battery to the MBPs...i like the thin and svelte design but i'd be more than willing to compromise if i could get 6 hrs of usage as opposed to 3-3.5 hrs.
Maybe I just have bad luck, but I run into a lot of Windows users that just plain have bad attitudes toward Macs. One Windows fanboy--who's actually a friend of mine--notoriously hated the computers at my school, because they were Macs. He's a very good programmer and good with computers, but whenever anyone asked him for help with the school's computers, he'd reply "it won't work, because they're Macs, so they're retarded," or something like that. A lot of the Windows users I run into have this attitude that Macs are only for pretentious artists who want to show off a pretty machine that can't actually do anything.
I guess I just see fewer Apple "fanboys" by that definition, because around here I usually see fairly reasonable explanations. Yes, there's a lot of "I'm tired of hearing this," but that's usually because it's something that's legitimately been explained a hundred times before, usually logically. (E.g., I don't recall seeing many "One mouse button is just BETTER!" as opposed to "This is how you right click with it; if it bothers you, you can always plug in a different mouse."
I don't know. I don't really think the Windows users I'm referring to are so much fanboys as they are simply misinformed, but it's still something that's annoying.
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