Thinking about leaving Verizon for At&t

[HankHowdy]

I have both verizon unlimited lte and att lte. Verizon forces users off unlimited data cause of FCC agreement they have with the block c 700 agreement where they can't restrict usage.

But verizon has been quietly employing "network management" by limited all users speed to 5-12mpbs these days.

It's a very sneaky way of them to curb unlimited data users. They just employ the communist model and slow their entire network down for everyone.

At the moment Verizon cannot throttle LTE so that's not an issue. The FCC made sure of that.

Verizon does throttle 3G for its unlimited data customers, but you have to be in the top 5% percent of usage. After talking to many reps about this, to get to that top 5% you would have to be using almost 40 gigs a month. You can only be throttled when you are connected to a congested tower which is hard to doing you are in an area that has LTE running.

I use about 10 gigs a month and have never been throttled. I get around 2 Mbps with my 3G.
For me its plenty fast.

 

[aneftp]

At the moment Verizon cannot throttle LTE so that's not an issue. The FCC made sure of that.

Verizon does throttle 3G for its unlimited data customers, but you have to be in the top 5% percent of usage. After talking to many reps about this, to get to that top 5% you would have to be using almost 40 gigs a month. You can only be throttled when you are connected to a congested tower which is hard to doing you are in an area that has LTE running.

I use about 10 gigs a month and have never been throttled. I get around 2 Mbps with my 3G.
For its plenty fast.

no. i meant on lte verizon has been sneaky about just limiting their LTE speeds to around 5-12 mps regardless if one has unlimited data or limited. They are slowing down the entire network for everyone.

Just go over to the Verizon message board and various complaints. It's a different version of "network management" to circumvent the FCC agreement. Since they are doing it for EVERYONE on the network, it's clearly within their right.

 

[2298754]

no. i meant on lte verizon has been sneaky about just limiting their LTE speeds to around 5-12 mps regardless if one has unlimited data or limited. They are slowing down the entire network for everyone.

Just go over to the Verizon message board and various complaints. It's a different version of "network management" to circumvent the FCC agreement. Since they are doing it for EVERYONE on the network, it's clearly within their right.

That's ridiculous. They aren't throttling down to that range. Traffic on the network has pushed speeds right INTO THE RANGE THAT VZW SAID LTE would fall into. They never advertised 20+ mbps down speeds. Ever.


And yes, they throttle LTE. But it is tower specific. And only happens in high traffic areas and times.

 

[jav6454]

That's ridiculous. They aren't throttling down to that range. Traffic on the network has pushed speeds right INTO THE RANGE THAT VZW SAID LTE would fall into. They never advertised 20+ mbps down speeds. Ever.


And yes, they throttle LTE. But it is tower specific. And only happens in high traffic areas and times.

Or user specific...

 

[2298754]

Or user specific...

Yeah. That is also correct.

 

[MeUnix]

Being a previous employee of AT&T for 2 years in Sales, I can say that their coverage area is very good, as well as the satisfaction among the customers I dealt with on a day-to-day basis. As far as switching to get the subsidized price, I would switch services, especially if high data usage is not an issue.

Personally, I have Sprint for my service at the moment ( due to being a college student and having limited funds each month )

 

[HankHowdy]

That's ridiculous. They aren't throttling down to that range. Traffic on the network has pushed speeds right INTO THE RANGE THAT VZW SAID LTE would fall into. They never advertised 20+ mbps down speeds. Ever.




And yes, they throttle LTE. But it is tower specific. And only happens in high traffic areas and times.

Verizon does not throttle LTE on a per customer basis if that's what you mean.

 

[jav6454]

Verizon does not throttle LTE on a per customer basis if that's what you mean.

Oh but yes they do.

 

[2298754]

Verizon does not throttle LTE on a per customer basis if that's what you mean.

Yes, they do. Only happens to high data users in high traffic situations.

 

[brent12]

With Verizon does it still prevent data and voice at the same time?

With Verizon does it still prevent data and voice at the same time?

 

[jav6454]

With Verizon does it still prevent data and voice at the same time?

Yes. Not even on LTE can their network Talk+Data due to certain restrictions. However, as technology advances, Verizon will eventually allow Talk+Data. But that eventually is more like 5 years out, and even then its an option that they may or may not take. People here hope so.

 

[Browns2212]

With Verizon does it still prevent data and voice at the same time?

Yes. I have a VZW iPhone5 and cannot do both.

I have had Verizon for a long time and its been very good. I think both companies are now pretty good. Most important thing is coverage in the areas you visit the most (home, work, etc.) I would say the next most important is price. I have 2 iPhone 5's for my wife and I and we have unlimited minutes and 4GB of shared data and we pay $145 per month with a corporate discount. We also have good signal and LTE almost everywhere we go in NW Ohio.

And I lost my unlimited data when I switched/upgraded to the i5 in Oct last year. I stream a sports talk radio station for 4-6 hours per day and rarely if ever use all 4GB's. I've never hd reason to switch.

I'm actually moving to Buffalo, NY in a week so I'll have to see how the coverge is there while I'm at home when we buy a house.

Good luck either way you decide. Again I think the only way you'll be disappointed is if you switch and the coverage isn't very good. That's a killer.

 

[mac.cali]

Yes, they do. Only happens to high data users in high traffic situations.

Can you post where you got this information from? I'm not calling you a liar, but I never heard of them throttling lte users.

 

[evilrt]

Yes. Not even on LTE can their network Talk+Data due to certain restrictions. However, as technology advances, Verizon will eventually allow Talk+Data. But that eventually is more like 5 years out, and even then its an option that they may or may not take. People here hope so.

Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with LTE restrictions or Verizon service. It's about the hardware. You can with certain phones, ... The 5 is not one of them because it needs more antennas. This topic is starting to make a hard left.

 

[Namji]

Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with LTE restrictions or Verizon service. It's about the hardware. You can with certain phones, ... The 5 is not one of them because it needs more antennas. This topic is starting to make a hard left.

No kidding... people need to learn how to back up their statement with links to support their claims...
People spouting out crazy stuff like these causes stupid, uneducated rumors !

 

[HankHowdy]

Oh but yes they do.

This is not true. Can you show me something about this? Unless the multiple reps I have spoke to about this are lying or you're just guessing. They all confess that they are throttling 3G in certain situations, but they say that they cannot throttle LTE at this time.

But I'm sure that they are keeping the speeds down at the net work level, but not at a per customer basis.

Verizon's LTE frequency happens to be blocked from throttling at a per customer basis as per the FCC.

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Yes, they do. Only happens to high data users in high traffic situations.

This is only for unlimited data 3G customers at the moment. I'm sure that its coming though if the FCC changes its ruling. It's the only thing stopping Verizon from doing this with its LTE network.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1796652-Does-Verizon-Throttle-4G-LTE-unlimited-data

 

[cynics]

Thinking about leaving Verizon for At&t

Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with LTE restrictions or Verizon service. It's about the hardware. You can with certain phones, ... The 5 is not one of them because it needs more antennas. This topic is starting to make a hard left.

But it does, to an extent anyway.

CDMA doesn't support voice and data at the same time. GSM does.

You CAN design a phone to over come that hurtle using SVDO tech. But its a battery hog and just more hardware to carry around.

Its a better user experience to have Verizon take care of this on their end.

 

[jav6454]

No kidding... people need to learn how to back up their statement with links to support their claims...
People spouting out crazy stuff like these causes stupid, uneducated rumors !

Feel cool... right. See below.

Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with LTE restrictions or Verizon service. It's about the hardware. You can with certain phones, ... The 5 is not one of them because it needs more antennas. This topic is starting to make a hard left.

The iPhone itself (the device which this entire thread is about) can not do so, because Verizon hasn't implemented on their network the change to allow the iPhone to do so. The iPhone o AT&T already can!

 

[bidwalj]

Feel cool... right. See below.




The iPhone itself (the device which this entire thread is about) can not do so, because Verizon hasn't implemented on their network the change to allow the iPhone to do so. The iPhone o AT&T already can!

The AT&T iPhone 5 drops down to hspa, so it can't do it either on lte. The hardware can't support a lte connection while on a call on any iPhone 5

 

[c0LdFire]

Feel cool... right. See below.




The iPhone itself (the device which this entire thread is about) can not do so, because Verizon hasn't implemented on their network the change to allow the iPhone to do so. The iPhone o AT&T already can!

This is an iPhone 5 specific issue on Verizon. Most Verizon Android LTE devices are 100% capable of simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE, but Apple used an antenna that doesn't support it properly (it disconnects from LTE and drops to CDMA for voice, instead of remaining connected to both). Read the anandtech breakdown of the iPhone 5 from last year for more info.

Also, SIM swapping isn't some magical awesome thing. Switching a device on Verizon, even for 3G/CDMA-only phones, is barely any more difficult. I can switch to another phone in 30 seconds flat online. Type in the IMEI, click submit, reboot it. Bam. I like GSM and unlocked phones have many benefits, but don't fap too much to something that really isn't a big deal.

 

[JoshGlzBrk]

I would take aneftp's comments with a grain of salt. Over on HowardForums he's constantly spouting off nonsense in regards to unlimited plans even though many community members have proven what he says is wrong.

Verizon does NOT throttle any LTE customers at this time. Verizon has always said that average expected LTE speeds were supposed to be 5-12Mb/s (Just like AT&T does). In some areas, I average those speeds, in other areas I average 50MB/s. It depends on the location, how much spectrum is deployed in that location, and how overloaded the area's towers and cell sites are. There is no network-wide "network management" limit to 5-12Mb/s.

When AT&T's LTE network grows, the overall speeds will decrease down to what is actually promised as well.

Both AT&T and Verizon are deploying LTE on their AWS spectrum to help mitigate congestion, and the 5S should hopefully support it.

As for how much a Verizon unlimited plan is worth, they go for $250 to $350 on eBay and HowardForum's market place. I myself got mine for $200 from a friend in June when I switched from AT&T and I sure am not having any buyers remorse.

 

[Italianblend]

For some reason, AT&T just doesn't come across as the cool network to use and I have never understood why. I understand converge is different depending on location. But it always seems to me that AT&T has this weird stigma attached to it, as if its completely obvious that it is vastly insuperior to verizon.

Take an AT&T phone to your house and test the network if its solid, I wouldn't look back. AT&T is an excellent iPhone network.