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You'll end up being like the people I know who have made the switch. Loved it at first then not even a year later wishing they could have their money back.
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Thinking of Mac over HP, why? Battery life. Important for college?
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It's your money to waste
You'll end up being like the people I know who have made the switch. Loved it at first then not even a year later wishing they could have their money back.
It's your money to waste
Why are you going to harass him for his decision?! What's it to you?? He made up his mind, based on good reasoning, let him be.
Funny.. i have TENS of friends who are loving their macs MORE than they did when they first bought them and wouldn't go back to a pc for anything... but whatever you say dude.
It's your money to waste
Nah, I don't think my money will go to waste. Not one bit. Nothing to complain about because I'll have both Mac and PC accessible.
Have your own opinions. I have mine.
Well then you are one of the few that are having a a short battery life with the Aluminum MacBook, I get 3.5 WITH Handbrake ripping my dvds. When I'm doing normal stuff, firefox with a couple tabs, adium, I average 5.5 hours and that is with the screen at half. With iTunes running, I average 5 hours. So just because you have lower battery life doesn't mean all of the macbooks perform like yours does. Mine is just lovely.
Funny thing how ALL your macs have been so much WORSE than your PCs... I wonder if it's not the user?!?
Apple also says on their website that all tests are done with wifi on and with screen brightness at 50%. It's their discretion how rigorous the actual functions they are running on the macbooks for the battery drains tests. While it may not be the most honest method, as you said, other manufacturers do it, too.
I don't think I can quite believe you with the battery life stats that HP advertises until you start citing sources. Either way, my sister has an HP elitebook, which supposedly have nigh infinite battery life, but according to her "it sucks." Somewhere around the 2 hour mark her battery peters out. With the standard battery it came with.
I can't speak about Vista, since I never really used it, but It's really hard to me to believe you while this kind of issue just didn't happened to me or the many Mac users that I know in my graphic design course.
You're wrong. It does it. Onyx also show you when the daily, weekly and monthly has been done. It CAN'T be Onyx doing it since the dates that it show it (Onyx) was just not never launched. And I've also read somewhere, I can't be sure if it's real, that if your Mac wasn't open/in sleep at the time the maintenance was scheduled, it will just do it the next time the computer in turned on.
As I've said in other posts, my optometrist tells me I have some of the best eye sight hes seen
It's just that, unlike Apple fans, I'm not willing to let eye strain become a regular part of my life. Thats why having the display below 50% is unacceptable.
never said it was unreadable. It's even just has readable as it would be at 50%. I can't neither see how it could stain my eyes. But hey, like I said it depend of the environment.
Many loose or even cover are just happening because people don't know how to put it back the right way. I do, and I'm able to put back my battery cover without any problem.
And you said you wasn't bashing Apple? Hard to believe you with an unbacked claim like this.
It was only first to fall because of security holes that as since been patched.
Warnings? which warnings? Oh yeah, the single one at the launch of the application itself. And the one from the browser.
Something can't install itself without the users permission any more? Let me laugh. What are thoses thousands of virus, trojans, spyware and other crap that run wild unto the web? They're lies?
Questionable activities... like I dunno, installing Java and getting one virus from a security hole left? Or simply casual browsing? Or, wait I have a better one, simply chatting over MSN with an affected friends? Yeah, not that questionable.
The fact is still there that I'm able to go anywhere I want on the web, without worrying if it's a shady website or not.
What do you mean by real world PC users? Because there are fake PC users? I don't know but as long as you use a PC, you're pretty much a PC user, and I know a handful that don't even know what the word driver mean, and if they ever had problem with their hardware (ie: router or printer issue) they would simply don't know how to fix it, nor would they know how to update them to get the best performance possible.
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It's a shame that to average 2 hours on battery, I must be running HL2 under mac (don't ask how I got it) and even that, I lost around 50% in more then one hour at full settings. Or launch my Windows XP partition.
Microsoft's own Zune did not work with Vista when it was launched! I know this from experience so dont try to say Apple is "making things up".
Its a fact there were compatibility issues, no matter how much you wish there wasnt!
I agree with VSMacOne, I know MANY mac users also who will never go back to a PC. Just because someone switches 2 a Mac all you do is put them down. I switched about 6 months ago and I love my Mac. I have never heard anyone who has as many problems as you with a Mac. I switched to Mac because of all the good things I heard from people.
In college, battery life is very important. although there are plugs all over libraries usually, in class, plugs are limited, and you might have a whole morning/afternoon without plug access, so battery life is important. My MacBook Air, with WiFi off and the screen dimmed can last ~5+ hrs, and that's great because all I'm supposed to be doing in class is typing notes!So yes, look for a computer with a solid battery life. The MacBook has solid battery life but if you're looking for a beast you can get a thinkpad with more battery life probably.
^Don't feed the trolls, people!It's your money to waste
Anyways, to the OP, in June 09 the Apple notebooks might be completely different, so you might change your mind once new hardware comes out with regards to which model to get. I'm sure the prices will come down, too, like always.
I used to have the HP Pavilion dv6000 for a couple years and just recently got the new 2.4 MB. In my opinion the MB blows away the HP, its much lighter and portable and the battery lasts much longer. I had to have the motherboard replaced on my HP too and the entire case feels flimsy and weak especially compared to the build of the new macbooks.
And then there is Vista vs OSX. When I got this MB it was the first time I used an Apple OS extensively and it seems much more stable and polished than Vista. I am much happier with the MB, to me it is definitely worth paying more.
But just my experiences and opinion take it for what its worth.
And then there is Vista vs OSX. When I got this MB it was the first time I used an Apple OS extensively and it seems much more stable and polished than Vista. I am much happier with the MB, to me it is definitely worth paying more.
But just my experiences and opinion take it for what its worth.
But the difference is that other manufacturer's systems actually live up to the claim
haha somehow Apple's testing is reliable but HP's is not?
Head over to notebookreview and notebookforums and ask around there.
Whoever told you that is a moron. Nowhere on HP's site does it say anything like that and they never have.
Some of them ship with 4 cell batteries, so its not surprising she gets very little battery life. Thats her fault for not being more observant and paying attention to what she was buying.
HP advertises the Elitebook as a rugged business notebook and nothing else.
The Elitebook is a completely different line and market from the consumer Pavilion line.
How can it do it when most people shut the system down or sleep it at night? On top of that, people would notice heavy background processing going on.
Is that why many have shipped that way and haven't been able to be put back on properly?
Look around this forum and others. People know that the MacBook was poorly built. Plastic cracking in various ways was a known issue that Apple fixed for free, even out of warranty.
And it was the same security hole that caused it to fall first the prior year.
Never used Vista I see. You'll get constant warnings when running an application that significantly modifies the OS. You'll get a warning at every single instance the application tries to alter something.
Those all effect older unpatched versions of Windows that are still being run by people who bought computers many many years ago and never ran Windows update (updates are automatic now unless you disable them).
How is it Windows fault that Sun wrote software with security problems? Same thing could happen under OS X. Another good example is how Apple's Quicktime had security issues that let a virus spread in Windows awhile back. That's not Microsoft's fault, thats Apple's fault for writing shoddy software.
Impossible. This isn't Windows 95 any more. Saying this is like saying Mac OS still doesn't have pre-emptive multi-tasking. This is a pure unadulterated lie. Especially with Firefox having a built-in virus scanner these days and IE absolutely NOT downloading anything without your explicit permission. Like I said, you have to actively download, install, and run the malicious program these days. IE will give you multiple warnings, Windows will give you multiple warnings and even try to stop you, and Windows Defender will even try to stop you by isolating the software and not allowing it to run. Firefox goes even further than both by scanning the file for viruses on the spot.
Well thats your fault for accepting the infected file or clicking the link and going through all of the hassles outlined above to run it.
And Windows over the last several years has been able to do the same things. Please stop spreading lies.
Even the most computer illiterate people I know can run Windows Update. Hardware drivers are pushed through Windows Update if you don't update them yourself. And other drivers for common things like digital cameras, printers, and scanners are a non-issue. Digital cameras show up as USB removable storage, but Vista will automatically import the files (much faster than iPhoto I might add). Printers and scanners or all-in-ones simply need to be plugged in and thats it with Vista. Even my ExpressCard TV tuner installs automatically without the need of a driver disc.
If someone is installing an internal piece of hardware, like a GPU or add-in sound card, then they have at least enough knowledge to be able to go to the manufacturer's site and download updated drivers. Especially when the installation will tell them to do that multiple times.
Two things.
First, the only way to get Vista when the Zune launched was through a BETA PROGRAM. Vista was NOT available to the general public for sale in FINAL fashion.
Second, Microsoft had an updated version of the Zune software available when Vista hit store shelves.
And everyone I know who has switched has already switched back or will be with their next purchase in the next year or so.
On top of that, I know life long Mac users who are switching to Windows or have already made the switch. I had one a couple of years ago before I got my first Mac warn me against it and desperately tried to talk me out of it. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "I told you so" from her over the last 2 years.
You might want to read around here. You're going to find a very large amount of MacBook Pro and PowerBook users who had to have their motherboard's replaced multiple times. In fact, I remember at least one post where a person went through SIX motherboard replacements and Apple wouldn't even replace the system itself.
And my dv6500t is much stronger on the top and bottom than my aluminum MacBook.
Then how do you explain Apple's increased market share, and more people switching over?!? The numbers MUST be lies..
Do you even take into consideration VALID arguments that others have? Or are you so set in your KNOW-IT-ALL attitude that you can't see past that...
Seriously...
It depends on your work style and availability of outlets at the locations that you work. Will you work at the school cafe often? If you know which college you are going to attend, why don't you go there to check it out? Four hours of battery life is reasonable. You can get a secondary battery if you like.
I would like to add to this thread by saying that I am a switcher! A year ago I purchased my first mac, an iPhone 2G, loved it so much I bought a Mac Mini, then upgraded to iPhone 3G and now an Aluminum Macbook 2.4Ghz! I gave up on 15 years of Windows after my 1 year old Dell laptop made me reformat due to a virus infection. I had Norton and AVG antivirus on it as well and extremely competent on a windows, 100x more so than on a Mac, but it was inevitable. I don't blame my Dell one bit, as it is rock solid, but it was Vista that screwed up.
BTW, I upgraded to Vista from XP due to the annoyance of driver issues, Vista didn't have driver issues but it bogged my system down the more I used it. Mac OSX unlike Vista haven't bogged down at all, my mac mini has 600megs of space left in it, but runs just as fast.
BTW, I upgraded to Vista from XP due to the annoyance of driver issues, Vista didn't have driver issues but it bogged my system down the more I used it. Mac OSX unlike Vista haven't bogged down at all, my mac mini has 600megs of space left in it, but runs just as fast.
Apple's increased marketshare is thanks to the fact that trendy college students feel the ned to fit in by having the same computer as all of the other trendy students
Apple, ironically, used to advertise "Think Different" but buying a Mac is following the masses more so than buying a PC. At least with a PC you get hardware customized to your needs and budget. With a Mac you get the same thing everyone else has. Looks the same, acts the same, it IS the same.
Not if you're running Leopard on your mini. Leopard is a resource hog and will slow to a crawl on only 1GB. I ran a 2.16GHz white MacBook with Leopard and 1GB of RAM until May of this year and it was sloooooooooooow.
But the difference is that other manufacturer's systems actually live up to the claim
It does, for me at least.
Because they're not that heavy processing? And by the way, if you do shut your mac, It'll just do it next time when it will be able to do it. Tonight I just left my Macbook to sleep, and the maintenance was done when I waked it, and I just didn't know it was done.
If you were reading others message correctly you'll see that I said I never used Vista more then 10-20 minutes.
And one of the difference, is that the security hole that is present on Windows, you can bet someone is gonna use it to infect people. While I have yet to see something like that happen on Mac in real world condition.
Know what? I'll follow your advise. I'll try to find a Vista bootable CD and do as you said. Running wild on shady sites. Then I'll try to load an anti-virus and see if it's possible to me to have gotten one. Just downloading the update from Windows and nothing else. That will show you that you're wrong.
Then you would know that baseline drivers chipped with your system aren't always that great. Neither the windows default one, since they're made to use a big bunch of different hardware. If they do not have a driver updater from the manufacturer, they're stuck with the same drivers. While with a Mac, they can just format their hd if they want, install a fresh OS X, run the Apple update and be up to date for all his drivers without scavenging the web.
On the import of pictures, how hard is it to just slide the picture folder from your camera to your desktop anyway? You don't have to use iPhoto.
The drivers that come with Windows are the default one, so you'll be only to do simple task. Like printing, scanning and that's pretty much that without any real features. It's the same with OS X. It's irrevelent to me.
So what? Windows can't even do true symmetric multiprocessing (SMP). It does Sudo SMP, not the way OS X does it, not the way Linux does it. And XP home doesn't even have any kind of SMP at all. Whichever way you twist it, OS X has better multi processing because of this.
How about all the stories on here of Apple repairing problems out of warranty. My teachers Macbook battery died, they have him a new one and a new magsafe power cord all months out of warranty.
Except what, well over half of all Windows users are using Windows XP SP2 with IE6. No UAC, programs run when downloaded, no warning, nothing.
When there is a multi billion dollar industry built around defending Windows against malware you know there is something wrong. Why should you have to pay for Anti Virus? Even if you use a free AV, why should you have to install it? Why can't Microsoft just create an operating system that doesn't have 70,000 viruses for it?
Yeah and you still don't have true SMP, 7 years and counting after OS X had it.Bringing up something that hasn't been true since Windows 95 is like harping on the fact that Mac OS didn't finally get multi-tasking on the same level as Windows 95 until Mac OS X
We had to wait months for printer drivers after Vista was released. You can argue with that all you want, you might have been lucky, but the fact of the matter is that I and many many others were not.
This just proves to me that you really are a bunch of two faced hypocritical dicks. For years you complain that Macs are like toys because of there interface. When DOS was around you all laughed that we had a GUI which you all claimed to be "counter productive" and then when Windows does actually get a reasonably impressive GUI after 20 years, you have the sheer nerve to laugh at us?
You want improvements to productivity? How about Spaces, Quicklook, Spotlight, Stickies, Dashboard, Expose. What did Vista add that XP didn't have? Three half assed rip offs of Expose, Dashboard, and Spotlight. Flip3D, great except if you have more than a few windows open you have to scroll through a hundred windows, its quicker just to look at the menu bar. Gadgets, great except there on the desktop meaning you have to minimise all your stuff, and you can only have a few because there cramped into the right hand side. Vistas spotlight rip off searches only file names, doesn't search within the files to bring you better results.
Doesn't do that at all.
Not true at all
It's your money to waste
yeah, because this site is full of people who made the switch and wish they can get their money back
When I had mine for a year I will let you know if I wish I can get my money back, and i bet it will be a no.What I don't get is you talk down about macs, but yet own a few. What does that say about you? It's like saying I hate Dells and talk down about them, put people down because they want one or they own one and yet that's all I buy.
But thats not what you said. You said "OS X needs just as much maintenance as Windows and you will end up having to reinstall OS X just as often as you would Windows." Sure, OS X slows somewhat as it gets cluttered, but its nowhere near as much as Windows; and it's way easier to manually clean. As an hourly contractor I've been paid well cleaning and reinstalling Windows many times but I always recommend customers, friends and family get Macs, and those that do have, without exception, been happy they did.
I use my alum macbook (and used to use my plastic macbooks) with brightness on the lowest setting all the time. Works fine for me when I'm conserving battery life, thats usually in fluorescent lit office environments.
Fast charge is not a feature, thats just marketing speak. It's referring to the natural charge curve of Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries. When the voltage differential is greater (ie as the battery is discharged more), they charge faster. Theres no magic here, all manufacturers are dealing with the same technologies.
Lenovo is using updated versions of IBMs designs on at least some of their laptops. Thats a pretty board statement to make, unless you've been inside many different models of Lenovos, I'd be hesitant to say something that general. From what I've seen of the Lenovo Thinkpads they still seem like a step up from the rest of the PC competition.
Thats just BS - I've cleaned a ton of SP2 installs of spyware and viruses. A "non-issue"? Yah right...
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Instead of believing mosx and the few people that he knows - try this for those statistics :-
http://www.theacsi.org/ who show that Apple tops league tables for the 5th straight year. The university calculated the ACSI scores based on a consumer's overall satisfaction with a company's customer service, product quality and value, among other factors and Apple came out top again. Apple is well clear of both Dell and HP.
HP scores 73 points and Dell 75 compared to 85 for Apple. These scores are out of 100.
Ironically HP have dropped 4% since last year.
I also tried turning the brightness down really low - and its fine even for my old eyes that now need reading glasses.
Maintenance tasks - sorry mosx - you're wrong - macs running 10.5 do it themselves.
Also why does Microsoft provide Defender if its not needed by Windows?
http://www.theacsi.org/ who show that Apple tops league tables for the 5th straight year. The university calculated the ACSI scores based on a consumer's overall satisfaction with a company's customer service, product quality and value, among other factors and Apple came out top again. Apple is well clear of both Dell and HP.
HP scores 73 points and Dell 75 compared to 85 for Apple. These scores are out of 100.
Ironically HP have dropped 4% since last year.
I also tried turning the brightness down really low - and its fine even for my old eyes that now need reading glasses.
Maintenance tasks - sorry mosx - you're wrong - macs running 10.5 do it themselves.
Also why does Microsoft provide Defender if its not needed by Windows?
As we speak I'm setting up a brand new HP Pavilion dv5-1002nr for my aunt, and wow... It just made me MORE grateful for my Mac.
The fans are always on, the HDD is always chirping and LOUDer than my MB, the keyboard feels very cheap, the trackpad is tiny and webcam quality is inferior to the MB. Also, at 2.0 Ghz with 3GB RAM, it's MUCH slower than my MB @ 2.4Ghz/2GB RAM... The screen is pretty nice, but that's about it.
The fans are always on, the HDD is always chirping and LOUDer than my MB, the keyboard feels very cheap, the trackpad is tiny and webcam quality is inferior to the MB. Also, at 2.0 Ghz with 3GB RAM, it's MUCH slower than my MB @ 2.4Ghz/2GB RAM... The screen is pretty nice, but that's about it.
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