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Thinking of Switching to Windows

I have an Asus Zenbook Pro (touch screen 4K) running windows 10 and a Surface Tablet:
https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ZenBook_Pro_UX501/

I have a MBPr running El Capitan and an iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.1.

I have not touched the Zenbook or Surface for quite some time. I use my MBPr about 12-14 hours everyday.

I will go against the crowd and say yes, get Windows 10. It will quickly remind you of why Apple products, while not perfect are far better.
 
Grahf85 said:
Thank you afeppl and flybub.
You made my night a little bearable. Im definitely on the fence. Not making a decision today or tomorrow.

It really comes down to which I will have more issues with and im not sure how many I would have with windows devices. I do like my macbook for normal everyday stuff. The hang ups im having are just driving me crazy and i feel like i need to get away from it sometimes.

Im sure if i did switch to windows id loathe my decision in a month :/
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Problem is 'objective' reasoning, you won't find much of it on a dedicated forum regardless of flavor.

Like with all things, you buy a cheap one, you'll get issues with hardware and reliability. Windows has a huge disadvantage in that it has to support a huge range of products and Mac has an extremely small controlled selection. But if you had a problem with a cheap car would you blame the fuel it uses and refuse to use petrol again?

I say try both and see where the frustration lives.
OS X is a bit of a mess now, Windows 10 on SSD is sooooooo much smoother - no lag and a modern take on the interface. OS X is really in need of a revamp and some fresh thinking. (IMO).
 
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I've been using W10 for the last three weeks to see what all the hype was about. W10 is a fine OS it's on par with the more recent iterations of OS X but it's simply not for me. Now that I have the experience of using it I can answer peoples questions and help them work through their problems. I'm not unbiased but I'd not use Windows or have a Mac as an everyday personal computer. The only thing I can recommend is try W10 on your Mac and see if you like it, if you do sell your Mac and get a decent Windows setup.
 
heehee said:
I'll play along I guess. Switching to Windows won't help your problems.

What's wrong with your maps app? Have your tried google maps or restoring your phone?

switching to Windows won't solve your  tv AirPlay issue.

When did your MacBook start to have problems? Try replacing a part in your Windows machine after 4 years and see how long it'll take without warranty.
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Actually there are many notebooks like Lenovo's Thinkpad series that are incredibly easy to replace parts in. There are also a lot of online stores that sell parts. I've updated the CPU to a quad core i7 in my T440p. It's also extremely easy to install OSX on these machines with all functionality in tacked. I now only buy ThinkPad's as I want a laptop with a removable batteries, easily upgradeable (memory, CPU, SSD), touchscreen and like my ThinkPad Yoga 12.5, Wacom pen support. A friend of mine has a Alienware 13 which is a really cool machine, also very easy to upgrade. Even though the CPU and GPU are fixed onto the motherboard, their not soldered but use this kind of mounting cement. He managed to free the CPU and has since upgraded it, you can also do this to the GPU if you find the 960M to not meet your needs. However Dell has an external video card solution that is really nice so I don't any reason to upgrade the internal GPU. Just buy the external solution and a good card like a Nvidia 295 X2,
 
Grahf85 said:
Debating about whether I should move back to windows machines or not... I've had a number of issues with my apple products and I think I'm done with them. For example, since moving from an iPhone 4S to iPhone 6 my maps app hasn't worked despite calling Apple like a hundred times. My second generation apple TV can no longer use airplay with my iphone since the iOS 9 update. My early 2011 macbook pro had the infamous GPU failure. I wasn't able to get the logic board replaced for months after the GPU failed. So between my iPhone, TV, and macbook I think Iv've had my fill. Should I switch to windows?
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Do what you think is best. All of us Windows savvy Mac forum members know that Windows software and hardware is a better user experience. :rolleyes:

Honestly your post sounds off kilter. Would you describe yourself as a savvy user or as a novice? Why did it take months to replace your MBP motherboard? You've called, Apple hundreds of times about your Map app? Did they have you reset your phone or do a fresh iOS install and when it continued not working, tell you too bad, or did they invite you into an Apple Store?

heehee said:
I'll play along I guess. Switching to Windows won't help your problems.

What's wrong with your maps app? Have your tried google maps or restoring your phone?

switching to Windows won't solve your  tv AirPlay issue.

When did your MacBook start to have problems? Try replacing a part in your Windows machine after 4 years and see how long it'll take without warranty.
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Sounds good to me.
 
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Grahf85 said:
Debating about whether I should move back to windows machines or not... I've had a number of issues with my apple products and I think I'm done with them. For example, since moving from an iPhone 4S to iPhone 6 my maps app hasn't worked despite calling Apple like a hundred times.
My second generation apple TV can no longer use airplay with my iphone since the iOS 9 update. My early 2011 macbook pro had the infamous GPU failure. I wasn't able to get the logic board replaced for months after the GPU failed. So between my iPhone, TV, and macbook I think Iv've had my fill. Should I switch to windows?
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Have you tried a factory reset after updating to iOS 9 to see if that fixes your issues with Maps and airplay? Don't restore your data right away, just try that (after backing up your data of course).

Does apple support airplay from iOS 9 to gen 2 ATV? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped support given the age of that device.

Other than that, Microsoft and Apple are not really on the same level. Apple makes the OS and the hardware, while MS only makes a few of it's own computers, the surface line. I use both OSX and Windows every day, and I like both for different reasons. However I also use Windows machines that cost around the same amount as Macs, 1800+ HP Elitebooks usually. You typically get what you pay for.
 
While Windows 10 is a vast improvement over Windows 8 (hell, an Apple //c is better) I wouldn't use it full time. I have it on my desktop and gave it an honest run for a month and had my Macbook Pro turned off. That was all it took. I'm back on my Macbook Pro.
 
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I'll be updating my gaming PC to W10 when I get the go-ahead email. It's amazing IMO that Apple can run circles around a company whose primary business is its OS. :):)
 
I know people have knocked W10, but for me its been fast, stable and efficient. I'm very happy with it. I switch between my MBP and SP3. Both have advantages/disadvantages.
 
maflynn said:
I know people have knocked W10, but for me its been fast, stable and efficient. I'm very happy with it. I switch between my MBP and SP3. Both have advantages/disadvantages.
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All we have to do is visit our PC only friends and play with their computer to realize what a mess Windows is. She is the standard minimalist computer knowledge user (Windows 8; her husband does not use computers) and is inundated with unwanted Windows adware, malware and the like. This is despite having an anti-virus program. I isually clean off her computer for her. Last visit I ran the free version of Malwarebytes and it found 2700 "pups" whatever they are, described by Malwarebytes as possibly unwanted programs.

What I really love are the Windows programs that won't allow you to delete them without engaging special search and destroy utilities. I've had the fun of playing with Gorillaprice on several occasions. No, we won't let you simply uninstall us, we'll download a special removal program just for you! :rolleyes:

It seems to be the difference is that you can get by being a know-nothing MacOS user and mostly are shielded from all/most of this kind of BS.
 
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All we have to do is visit our PC only friends and play with their computer to realize what a mess Windows is. She is the standard minimalist computer knowledge user (Windows 8; her husband does not use computers) and is inundated with unwanted Windows adware, malware and the like. This is despite having an anti-virus program. I isually clean off her computer for her. Last visit I ran the free version of Malwarebytes and it found 2700 "pups" whatever they are, described by Malwarebytes as possibly unwanted programs.

It seems to be the difference is that you can get by being a know-nothing MacOS user and mostly are shielded from all/most of this kind of BS.
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That is true, but you mentioned Windows 8 - which, to be frank, was an awful system (and here, I must mention that I detested Vista, too).

Windows 7 was actually quite good, and I don't doubt that Windows 10 is probably a vast improvement on Windows 8.

Agree re the malware, viruses, and spam; it was a menace on Windows computers, despite the fact that when I had Windows computers I had actually bought as robust an anti-virus programme as I could find.

Not all Windows systems are equally bad - and some of them, in fact, are quite good.

However, I agree with those who say that OS is not quite what it was. But then, neither is Apple. Indeed, these days, I suspect that the company has moved beyond seeing itself as a computer company, - and focussing its R&D on this area exclusively - and, instead, has its eyes on more remunerative areas for future profit.
 
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That is true, but you mentioned Windows 8 - which, ti be frank, was an awful programme (and here, I must mention that I detested Vista, too).

Windows 7 was actually quite good, and I don't doubt that Windows 10 is probably a vast improvement on Windows 8.

Agree re the malware, viruses, and spam; it was a menace on Windows computers, despite the fact that when I had Windows computers I had actually bought as robust an anti-virus programme as I could find.

Not all Windows systems are equally bad - and some of them, in fact, are quite good.

However, I agree with those who say that OS is not quite what it was. But then, neither is Apple. Indeed, these days, I suspect that the company has moved beyond seeing itself as a computer company, - and focussing its R&D on this area exclusively - and, instead, has its eyes on more remunerative areas for future profit.
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So far I've used all Windows versions since Windows 3.0 through W8. I hate the live tiles. On my gaming PC and Mac, I am running W7, but will update to W10 on my PC soon. Funny thing is Vista was well behaved running under Bootcamp. :) Every version of Windows I've had has required a clean install due to some unexplained persistent issue. All I use it for is access to games. Microsoft was kind enough to spend an hour on the phone with me trying to figure out why my W7 would not install Windows updates. Alas that required the old standby fix, clean install...

With the MacOS I have a sense of stability lacking in Windows. Since upgrading to MacOS v10.1, 15 years ago, I've never had to do a clean install (knock on wood) and am currently running Yosemite. :)
 
My "workstation" runs win10 - can't complain. If it weren't for the superior looks and built quality (and my good experiences) of mac laptops I wouldn't mind a win one too.
 
960design said:
I have an Asus Zenbook Pro (touch screen 4K) running windows 10 and a Surface Tablet:
https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ZenBook_Pro_UX501/

I have a MBPr running El Capitan and an iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.1.

I have not touched the Zenbook or Surface for quite some time. I use my MBPr about 12-14 hours everyday.

I will go against the crowd and say yes, get Windows 10. It will quickly remind you of why Apple products, while not perfect are far better.
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You better lock that "free" OS has trade offs! You should really follow the steps in the blog post How to Secure Windows 10.
 
Good grief, why are you wasting time with an attention seeking troll who claims problems with "maps" and has called Apple "100 times"?

My son's MBP was replaced and upgraded to the next higher model in two days when he had problems. Non-issue.
 
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But you have to go into the smarmy Apple store and be judged by painfully trendy 20ish year old college students to get it.
 
I have used macs for over a decade as my personal computer. I have been using Windows 7 Enterprise at work for the past 2 on Lenovo Thinkpads- currently a T450s model.

I have to say I really do like the Thinkpad- aside from the trackpad. It really gives the MacBook Pro a run for the money. Though not nearly as beautiful, it is very durable and well put together.

Every product and company will have its downfalls. You will have to weigh your options and find it what is the lesser of two evils and what your needs mandate. In my experience, Windows' lack of security, stability, and compatibility is not worth giving up the issues I have with Apple.
 
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