ThinkSecret's iPod Rendering

[pinks]

Sorry, if this site is now Macfacts, then you'd better give us some proof of your information. Until then, why should we believe a word of this unsubstantiated word-of-mouth? It is doing damage to the reputation of this site, Apple and the iPod as a product!

Come on, show your cards!!! This is becoming ridiculous!!!

 

[Hemingray]

Eh... if that drawing's what the real deal is going to look like, I'm not thrilled. I think the existing design's great. To each his own, I guess. My 5GB serves me just fine. 🙂

Just to complicate things, this dock will be one less reason for Apple to add front FW and USB ports to their comps! 🙁 (I'm still waiting for that one.)

 

[Unclej78]

Regardless of what updates are made I would love to own one.

I wished that they could have a intro. model w/5gb @ $150. I know that the are really cool to own, but I think that they are just to expensive.😡

 

[Flowbee]

Re: new ipod

Originally posted by mkaake
honestly, how many products has apple had that people were really worried about looking like crap? and how many times has apple actually brought out a product that looked like crap? they may make some silly business decisions from time to time, but they're not in the business of putting out products that look like crap (at least from the cube on)...

so while i think that 'commissioned rendering' looked like total crap, i'm not worried cause apple knows what looks good to us better than what we do. and i think they've proven that time and again...

matt

I don't know... I thought the Mirror Drive Doors PowerMac was a pretty ugly "upgrade" from the Quicksilver.

 

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by pinks
Sorry, if this site is now Macfacts, then you'd better give us some proof of your information. Until then, why should we believe a word of this unsubstantiated word-of-mouth? It is doing damage to the reputation of this site, Apple and the iPod as a product!

Come on, show your cards!!! This is becoming ridiculous!!!

The use of factual speak is pretty strong stuff to be putting on a rumor site, but no one's forcing you to believe this. It's still a rumor until we see the physical product and hear the official announcement.

It's not doing damage to this site! It will do damage to the site if it turns out not to be true, but credibility is based upon reputation, and MR has a pretty good record.

 

[Wonder Boy]

Brian Hickman is right. i don't know why everyone is bashing the drawings. I liked the old ipod, but i dont see how this is any worse. unless ipod users have freakishly small hands, i think they can reach the newly placed buttons. I'm getting one either way, but i did have my heart set on the 40giger.

Also, the dock will prevent scratching the back, and the usb2 port will free up already scarse amounts of firewire ports.

Even more, if the ipod has a brushed metal face as suggested in an earlier post i read, i may switch back to windows.

enough beating around the bush... I LIKE THE NEW IPODS! I like the drawings and i hope this is a reality. USB2 can only increase marketshare, there is nothing wrong with this potential release.😡

 

[melchior]

i would be guessing this is an encouraged leak considering the broad coverage, the same way the music service has been 'leaked' most probably per steve's instructions.

thus for all those whining 'show us your sources' you just need to read between the lines. arn was dead on with the powerbook updates and if he says something is indeed accurate then you better believe him, he doesn't say it willy nilly... unlike others might.

there could be some cloak and dagger and a bit of smoke of course, but it's not in apple's best interests are this time or turmoil.

that's my impression anyway.

 

[xmad]

Wouldn't it be cool if Apple's Music service included downloading songs for a price and also satellite radio for the iPod.

 

[nickmcghie]

Re: New iPod Button Configuration

Originally posted by Brian Hickman
I don't see why everyone is complaining about the buttons. Sure, aesthetically, it may not be as pretty. But, with the buttons directly below the screen, they may be multifunctional and work with a new integrated menu system. Until we see what the new iPod software's user interface looks like, I don't think anyone can say it is less user-friendly.

By the way, I like the new button placement. It will work much better for people with big hands (like myself).

i didn't like the new placement of the buttons at first.. but this would make sense

 

[porovaara]

i welcome the buttons

the current ipod is hard to control inside a pocket because of the button layout, hopefully these new buttons will fix that somewhat.

 

[kishba]

the button placement might also be better for cases or other add ons... i don't have a clue what that could entail, but i can certainly dream...

ugh, i need money for a new ipod 😛

 

[Hozie]

I gotta say I agree with the general feeling, Arn. I think you should let us in on a little more than the cryptic phrases you posted... although I understand you don't want to burn your sources. Still, do enlighten us!

 

[G4scott]

The iPod may incorporate new features to make sure songs bought from Apple's music service aren't swiped. The only thing is that there is no easy way to do protect the songs, and the easiest way is to make them practically unaccessible to the user.

I just hope that this doesn't leave us older model iPod owners in the dark. I'd like some AAC and possibly Ogg compatibility. I'd say maybe an open system where you can load different codecs into it, but that might cause too much trouble...

I'd willing to bet that AAC support will come with these new iPods.

 

[MrMacMan]

:BOO!:

I was hoping on getting a small 5GB model or something, before they killed it, now it will be impossible.

The case looks mad fugly too, huge buttons suck. That looks horrible. Apple slap a new case, or the old one...

BOOOOO!!!!

That looks ewwwwwww. I don't need USB 2.0 Functional because the apple hardware doesn't include USB 2.0 like it should.

Bad bad bad idea.

 

[centauratlas]

40GB mods?

So, are there any mods out there to pop out the 10GB drive on a current generation iPod and pop in a 40GB (or for that matter on a 20GB drive model iPod)?

I am somewhat surprised they'd go without a 40GB drive given that they are available...

 

[scmacdaddy]

Originally posted by xmad
Wouldn't it be cool if Apple's Music service included downloading songs for a price and also satellite radio for the iPod.

That would be awesome....but there has been no indication of that....so i wouldn't get my hopes up. Still a good idea though.

 

[pinks]

Originally posted by Hemingray
The use of factual speak is pretty strong stuff to be putting on a rumor site, but no one's forcing you to believe this. It's still a rumor until we see the physical product and hear the official announcement.

It's not doing damage to this site! It will do damage to the site if it turns out not to be true, but credibility is based upon reputation, and MR has a pretty good record.

Eh? Not doing damage to the site? Sorry, when a site which professes to be a forum for the discussion of rumours puts forward, so definitely, supposedly factual statements without any evidence, then damge is definitely being done. One consistent factor of this site has been its grounding in, and demand for, overt, explicit evidence - as reliable and justifiable as possible from known or acknowledged sources. Statements like "accurate" and "will be" - so solid and rigid in their meaning - must be reinforced with some proof, some evidence to ground them in reality.

Reputations are hard won and easily lost. The potential damage to MR can be easily moderated with some sensible release of proof. I know we don't have to believe this stuff, but as previous posters have said, MR has a good reputation for being sensible and accurate in their reporting of news and rumoured information. However, I have never known such an untethered, unjustified set of statements as the one which fronts this thread to be attributed to MR. It is the very substantiation of news which maintains the reputation of this site... and without evidence - replaced only with opinion - this site seems to lose its credibility. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but would you except these kind of statements from anyone else or, indeed, from any other Mac information/rumours site? Probably not!!!

Once again, come on MR, furnish us with this rock-solid information you have: your credibility as a sensible, moderate discussion forum - based on the investigation of well-founded, sourced evidence - is at stake!!

- pinks

 

[pseudobrit]

MR is like rumor central.

It's the only place I scan for rumors because it's the only place that checks all the info and only posts reliable-sounding bits.

MacRumors' reputation precedes it.

 

[nmarsh1]

Where is the $199 model?

Boooo!!!

10GB $299
15GB $399
30GB $499

How about a 5GB model for $199? Come on Apple, the economy is in the toilet and I'm broke.

 

[JakeWalker]

reputation is at stake?

Macrumors reputation is at stake?

Give me a break.

Macrumors reputation would be at stake if iPod's DIDN'T come out at the end of April, or if they were totally different, I suppose (though certainly even if arn were dead wrong on this, he'd have 25 times the reputation of SpyMac or MacWhispers or whomever else.)

But to say it's at stake for not revealing its sources is just silly. Do you want future rumors and updates from Arn? Then don't ask him to reveal sources and facts.

 

[arn]

Originally posted by pinks
Once again, come on MR, furnish us with this rock-solid information you have: your credibility as a sensible, moderate discussion forum - based on the investigation of well-founded, sourced evidence - is at stake!!

Hmm....

didn't realize such a controversy would strike up from this.

If you want rock-solid information, I'm afraid I can't offer it to you. I can say that such certainty is only offered when based on very reliable sources... but I assumed this would be obvious.

arn

 

[MacFan25]

Re: Where is the $199 model?

Originally posted by nmarsh1
Boooo!!!

10GB $299
15GB $399
30GB $499

How about a 5GB model for $199?

Yeah, I am still hoping that there will be a $199 iPod. But, I'm not counting on there being one. So I guess, that I might buy a 10GB if they are updated.

 

[bentmywookie]

Originally posted by arn
Hmm....

didn't realize such a controversy would strike up from this.

If you want rock-solid information, I'm afraid I can't offer it to you. I can say that such certainty is only offered when based on very reliable sources... but I assumed this would be obvious.

arn

Seriously!

I assumed it arn (especially after the call on the 12 and 17" powerbooks). For those people asking for evidence - what answer do you expect? Arn can't reveal his sources, both for his sake and theirs.

 

[pinks]

Unless Arn has seen the iPod for himself then he can't say accurately that this information is 100% true... which is the implication of this thread.

I am lead to assume one of two things. Either Arn has seen this new device in all its plastic glory or this "fact" remains as a "reported" fragment of news/speculation/rumour - however reliable the source of this information may seem to be!!!! This is the whole ethos of this site!!!!

If the latter of the above is the case, then MR should state that the Thinksecret information shows "strong signs" of being accurate and that it is "highly likely" that the new iPods will be of a certain capacity. To introduce the concept of "fact" here is problematic and must mean, therefore, that Arn has seen this new product for himself, perhaps even used it! If he has not, then some element of doubt must be involved here, and "factual accuracy" must ultimately be questioned. Steve Jobs, himself, could tell me that the new iPod was a all-in-one PDA, mp3, digicam, phone (or whatever you may wish for) and this would, still, not be "proof" that these features were be genuine. I don't want to get into philosophy here, but to state so categorically that something is accurate is jeopordising the rep of the site because nothing, other than the physical engagement with something: visual, aural, olfactory, experiential can show something to be real or genuine.

Arn may, very well, be correct on this - and a large part of me hopes he is - but unless he has seen, used and experienced this thing for himself then an element of doubt must prevail. All I am saying is that he has taken someone's word to be factual, which these sites teach you never to do, and I fear for the consequences if this word is wrong. That is what I mean by the rep of this site is at stake!

This is, surely, the sensible, pragmatic position in all of this!

- pinks

 

[s_owen03]

do they need a new iPod? the old ones seem to be doing fairly well, and this is going to make a lot of 20GB users fairly unhappy... bad move for apple.