This article was mentioned By John Gruber about iOS. It's Brilliant and Spot on

[LordQ]

That's what Apple always had and it worked.

But Tim Cook changed that in 2012 and since then all Software sucked most of the time.

It's the decisions of Tim Cook that slowly turn Apple into the new Microsoft.

I'm not defending Craig, but he's been responsible for bringing the most requested "Android features they've had from years" to iOS... There's no way Forstall would've added Control Centre, extensions or removed the bloody linen.

I think he needs to be the leader of iOS and OS X BUT have someone to keep an eye on just iOS or OS X and report to him. Like a mini CEO for that division...

 

[Razeus]

-_______________- how?

I guess you weren't around for:

Keyboards not working properly for 3rd party keyboards.
Battery drain.
Slow wi-fi.
Update that turned of your cellular service.
Update that turned of your Touch ID.
iCloud reset that deletes all your files in iCloud.
The removal of iCloud Photo Library from the OS (and website).
Last minute removal of Health app due to "bugs".
Update that messes up Bluetooth in cars.
Apps not being able to see your photos except for "recently added"
Family Sharing clearly not working as advertised.

I'm mean, where do I start?

 

[cmChimera]

Just wait until you try iTunes 12. Once again, change for the sake of change rather than to be improved.

I'm on iTunes 12. I love it.

 

[appleii.c]

That's what Apple always had and it worked.

But Tim Cook changed that in 2012 and since then all Software sucked most of the time.

It's the decisions of Tim Cook that slowly turn Apple into the new Microsoft.

I believe it worked because they were treated as two separate OSes. There was no need to have synergy between them. Now with them being "married", I think you need ONE voice making the call. Whether it's Craig or not, not sure. I happen to like him so far, he's brought a lot of good stuff. Has it been flawless, no. But I think it has more to do with everything being rushed out to appease the board and the shareholders than it is the logic behind the decisions.

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I'm not defending Craig, but he's been responsible for bringing the most requested "Android features they've had from years" to iOS... There's no way Forstall would've added Control Centre, extensions or removed the bloody linen.

I think he needs to be the leader of iOS and OS X BUT have someone to keep an eye on just iOS or OS X and report to him. Like a mini CEO for that division...

^^^ This

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I guess you weren't around for:

Keyboards not working properly for 3rd party keyboards. Third party??
Battery drain. My battery is fine, ios8 on iphone 6, ipad (3rd gen) and 4S
Slow wi-fi. Wifi speed is the same on my other devices
Update that turned of your cellular service. I'll give you this one
Update that turned of your Touch ID. Same issue as above... its an update issue
iCloud reset that deletes all your files in iCloud. All my cloud files are still there
The removal of iCloud Photo Library from the OS (and website). it was never released with ios8
Last minute removal of Health app due to "bugs". My health app has been there since day 1. Been using it to track steps, miles walked/jogged, vitals etc
Update that messes up Bluetooth in cars. Bluetooth works fine in my car. and my plantronix
Apps not being able to see your photos except for "recently added" Haven't tried so cant comment.
Family Sharing clearly not working as advertised. Haven't tried so cant comment.

I'm mean, where do I start?

Are you sure these aren't just overblown in the media? The 8.0.1 update was a major screwup,sure... but to say iOS8 has been a mess and "borderline disaster" is a bit sensationalist don't you think?

 

[Razeus]

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Are you sure these aren't just overblown in the media? The 8.0.1 update was a major screwup,sure... but to say iOS8 has been a mess and "borderline disaster" is a bit sensationalist don't you think?

As a wise man once said: nope.

 

[kas23]

I think that they should have a 1.5 year cycle for iOS and OSX. Or just 1.5 years for OSX and iOS has some of its features spread across several .1,.2 updates to ensure less bugginess.

The problem with that is that's Apple's software is too tightly tied their hardware, usually their latest hardware. I don't think marketing is dictating iOS releases, their new hardware is. And for Apple to have billions of dollars in the bank, they need to put out a shiny new iPhone each year with shiny cool features. It would be great if they could divorce their hardware from software a little, but they won't.

 

[Yun0]

The problem with that is that's Apple's software is too tightly tied their hardware, usually their latest hardware. I don't think marketing is dictating iOS releases, their new hardware is. And for Apple to have billions of dollars in the bank, they need to put out a shiny new iPhone each year with shiny cool features. It would be great if they could divorce their hardware from software a little, but they won't.

2 year old devices are still running the latest software quite well, i recently touched a 4s with 8.0.2 & while i wouldnt say it runs "great" on that one, but i would still call it "good", thats a 3 year old phone...u dont see that with android

 

[appleii.c]

As a wise man once said: nope.

I'm not so sure. Not saying that no one is having issues, I would be a fool to believe that. But to say it a disaster is a bit much.

To put it into perspective, according to some some statistics there are over 100 million active iOS users in the US alone. here's a quick one I found

http://www.statista.com/statistics/232790/forecast-of-apple-users-in-the-us/

that report estimates roughly 63 million iphone users alone. Add in iPad users and i would think that number swells. According to Mixpanel, iOS 8 is on about 42% of devices already (link below). Over 40 million people and you have a sparse few with issues. I would guess less than .01%. to me that's nowhere NEAR a disaster. And I would bet that the iOS user-base is much higher than 100 million today.

I challenge you to find me ANY software, especially an Operating System going out to millions, that is flawless. Windows, Linux, Android... you name it.

iOS 8 Adoption

 

[Yun0]

as always numbers dont lie(now android, is a disaster tim cook wasnt lying)

 

[C DM]

No, this started with iOS 7.

Before .0 releases had minor bugs maybe in one part of the system, nothing big.

Now .0 releases are like alpha versions, pretty much unusable until months later.

That's why there were a bunch of people having all kinds of complaints when 4.0 came out, 5.0 came out, and 6.0 came out and similar "disaster" threads...right?

 

[kas23]

2 year old devices are still running the latest software quite well, i recently touched a 4s with 8.0.2 & while i wouldnt say it runs "great" on that one, but i would still call it "good", thats a 3 year old phone...u dont see that with android

I've owned every iPhone since the 3G. There's never been an instance where my old phone has run better on an x.0 update compared to the latest x-1.0 release. It just doesn't happen. Although some ground is made up during subsequent updates, it never gets back to the speed, battery life, and ease-of-use of the iOS it shipped with (and certainly doesn't get better). That may be a function of having an aging device though.

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That's why there were a bunch of people having all kinds of complaints when 4.0 came out, 5.0 came out, and 6.0 came out and similar "disaster" threads...right?

True. I remember when iOS 2 came out and Safari was absolutely unusable.

 

[Wowzera]

I just don't care about this kind of articles because they basically are plain false.
Every real Apple user, and I mean long time Apple user like me (1989....) know that. Apple has always been criticized and always will be.
It's hilarious how iOS 8 today is defined as buggy while iOS 7 is missed so badly, when one year ago people were whining about the buggy iOS 7 and the missing iOS 6. The same for the hardware.
Apple always have been criticized over anything. It's human nature.

7.0.X was a mess. 7.1.X sorted the things out.
8.0.X is a disaster, but, from what I've heard, 8.1.X is doing well.

 

[oldmacs]

The problem with that is that's Apple's software is too tightly tied their hardware, usually their latest hardware. I don't think marketing is dictating iOS releases, their new hardware is. And for Apple to have billions of dollars in the bank, they need to put out a shiny new iPhone each year with shiny cool features. It would be great if they could divorce their hardware from software a little, but they won't.

That is a point :/ At least they could slow down OSX Development ?

 

[sanke1]

A mere ipsw firmware file download of 1900 MB size is bigger than most bloated Android custom firmwares of different manufacturers. It indicates that iOS 8 is completely bloated.

I am still baffled how pure stock android versions from CyanogenMod stay at around 200 MB and do much more in terms of being flexible.

 

[Agent-J]

It would help if Apple decoupled the hardware and software releases. As was said earlier, though, it's the way it is because of the marketing geniuses.

Apple could still do a point update (like an iOS 7.2) for features exclusive to new hardware. But as it is, they drop new hardware and massive software rewrites at the same time, leaving lots of bugs to sort out. Then big changes (like the iOS6 to iOS7 UI changes, or the deep changes of iOS8) could come as full updates when ready, and the software could stay in beta as long as was needed, unlike now where it goes out filled with bugs. With the current schedule, programmers are basically being forced to spend too much time bugging, and too little time debugging.

And do public iOS betas, Apple. There will be herds of the willing ready to test your beta software for you. Millions. It's already being done with OS X. And those of us who need your software to "just work" will be able to have confidence in actual final releases.

And, to the marketing geniuses: does a bug that wipes out iCloud storage, or one that effectively disables calling on brand-new phones, help you sell more phones? Oh, who cares about that, right? Your "Top. Men." are doing Vogue interviews, that's what's really important.

 

[MacrumoursUser]

Just remember the days tiger had 11 updates and all will be clear. Apple needs to go to 14-18 month release cycles and put out more .releases to further optimize the software. Now by the time they make iOS and OS X usable they force another version down your throat. It's a never ending beta test for ****s sake.

A monkey can tell you the way they do it now it's not working well.

 

[irnchriz]

100% correct.

I think Craig Federighi either has to go, or be a WAY better team manager.

Since he's in charge all Apple software sucks most of the time.

Hey, its the Samsung funded troll again!!

 

[I7guy]

Just remember the days tiger had 11 updates and all will be clear. Apple needs to go to 14-18 month release cycles and put out more .releases to further optimize the software. Now by the time they make iOS and OS X usable they force another version down your throat. It's a never ending beta test for ****s sake.

A monkey can tell you the way they do it now it's not working well.

I like the way it's working and this yearly cycle. And rather like 8.0.2.

Since a monkey can do this job you are implying its a shoe in. Have you thought about applying to Apple so you can guide them with your experience?

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That's why there were a bunch of people having all kinds of complaints when 4.0 came out, 5.0 came out, and 6.0 came out and similar "disaster" threads...right?

This started with IOS 7, prior releases were point on perfect out of the gate.

 

[Yun0]

i remember similar "apple sucks" threads like this & others since apple first caught my attention starting at iphone os 3.1.2 when i got my ipod touch 3

 

[MacrumoursUser]

I like the way it's working and this yearly cycle. And rather like 8.0.2.

Since a monkey can do this job you are implying its a shoe in. Have you thought about applying to Apple so you can guide them with your experience?

You like the way it's working? You mean never ending public beta testing? Great, good for you.

P.s. I offered a solution which slow down development and test more. That doesn't mean perfect software, but that will give a longer period for using stable software and yes a monkey can see it. Don't feed me your apple knows best fanatic ********.

 

[quackers82]

Maybe if they had a 2 year cycle it could be iOS 8, and iOS 8.5, iOS 9, iOS 9.5, a bit like the iPhone 5, iPhone 5S, with the second cycle not actually having any large changes or new features, just more under the hood performance.

 

[MacrumoursUser]

A mere ipsw firmware file download of 1900 MB size is bigger than most bloated Android custom firmwares of different manufacturers. It indicates that iOS 8 is completely bloated.

I am still baffled how pure stock android versions from CyanogenMod stay at around 200 MB and do much more in terms of being flexible.

Not to mention that they maintain different version for different models. It's like having OS X for iMac and Mac pro and MacBook that are not interchangeable. But with OS X we have just one. Oh and at this rate its reaching size of OS X install. That has a lot to duty with UI still being bitmap based, all the app resources are bit maps.

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Maybe if they had a 2 year cycle it could be iOS 8, and iOS 8.5, iOS 9, iOS 9.5, a bit like the iPhone 5, iPhone 5S, with the second cycle not actually having any large changes or new features, just more under the hood performance.

Indeed.

 

[AustinIllini]

Maybe if they had a 2 year cycle it could be iOS 8, and iOS 8.5, iOS 9, iOS 9.5, a bit like the iPhone 5, iPhone 5S, with the second cycle not actually having any large changes or new features, just more under the hood performance.

Forget that. If they're going to make rigid updates, the way they are doing it is fine. I would just as well have them do smaller delta upgrades on a continuous basis. That being said, it's hard to get people excited about delta upgrades, and there's probably an increase in regression associated with that kind of update cycle.

The only "serious bug" in iOS 8 was the 8.0.1 update. Everything else is just part of the game when the OS becomes more sophisticated.

Don't cry for NFC, Control Center, multitasking, bigger screens with more pixels, and then cry because Apple changes too many things.

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7.0.X was a mess. 7.1.X sorted the things out.
8.0.X is a disaster, but, from what I've heard, 8.1.X is doing well.

8.0.2 is not a software disaster. Touchwiz is a software disaster. Even the biggest 8.0.2 bugs are more annoyances then real issues.

 

[I7guy]

You like the way it's working? You mean never ending public beta testing? Great, good for you.

P.s. I offered a solution which slow down development and test more. That doesn't mean perfect software, but that will give a longer period for using stable software and yes a monkey can see it. Don't feed me your apple knows best fanatic ********.

Yes I do enjoy public beta testing, if that is what YOU call it. Tcook@apple.com if you haven't done so. Or you can certainly make eschmidt@google.com happy.

And talk about feeding I know best *******.

For a new release I quite like 8.0.2.

 

[RedRaven571]

iOS 8 Adoption

I've often wondered about those adoption numbers, do they account for folks like me, who updated to 8 on my iPad 2, found the experience unsatisfying, and reverted back to 7.1.2?

Or, do the stats show one more happy, satisfied iOS 8 user?

Also, what about all the iPhone 6 users who have no choice in the matter? Are they included in the 8 adoption figure?

Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

By the way, I am running 8 on iPhone 5 and, after 8.0.2 seems fine, except battery seems to drain more quickly than on 7.1.2.