Until you notice the hands are the same size in both. But yeah, there's always that 'one guy.'
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This is What a 7.85-Inch iPad Looks and Feels Like
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Until you notice the hands are the same size in both. But yeah, there's always that 'one guy.'
That bezel is there for gripping purposes. It should be there.
on the iPhone, since it's held in your palm with fingers wrapped around the device, it could be done, but the iPad needs the 1" bezel.
I want a 60" iPad for my living room!
I'll hang it on the wall. And I'll get a telescopic foam finger to be able to use it while sitting on my couch.
to funny!
B/c possibly like a normal company would, they saw what the demand would be, and kept that in check for production... vs say, oh... Apple running quickly out of products across various products lines lol. Even if they have it in stock, doesn't matter when their average 1+ million a week in sales.
I think it's two different products, especially for girls, my gf can just slide it in her purse or bag where the iPad is too big for that.
I agree Prime rocks, so worth it!
Your forgetting this isn't competing against the iPad really and moreso the other 7" tablets. I have it on my desk right now, not laggy or slow. Course the iPad is more powerful etc, but that'd be like saying the Macbook Air is bearable vs the Pro line, they each have their place. Even browsing online is smooth, better then the Nook Tablet I tested as well. Go back to watching your youtube vids for your 'experience' hands on. Bearable? kidding me hahaha
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Maybe the demand is inline with their projections and they simply have enough production capabilities in place to keep pushing devices out? (or didn't feel the need to do an Apple). Furthermore, Amazon is a public company. Lying about sales numbers would be quite serious.
Apple has debunked this rumor to the point where I don't really want to hear about it until Apple reveals a 7-inch iPad.
The same Apple that always talks down everything until they do it themselves and then its magical and "just right"?
That's why i think Apple won't make one. Now if somemone goes to buy an iPad they pay minimum 499 USD for it. If Apple had 7" iPad for lets say 399 then that customer could buy a smaller one if he wanted and of course 399 iPad margin is smaller than 499 iPad.
So what i'm saying is true unless Apple can sell substantially more 7" iPad it only would be competing against itself.
Good question.
First if Apple did go this route it will be a device with a retina display. That won't be cheap, but size does matter here. A larger LCD is just harder to get perfect. In any event the LCD should impact pricing significantly.
As a side note I could see Apple coming out with an HD ratio iPod. This would be a device to effectively be a member of the Apple TV initiative that is coming. They will call it an iPod or AppleTV to distinguish it from the iPad. Another variant might be a iOS device optimized for gaming. In the context of a seven inch device that would mean an iPad with buttons. I'm also convince that a wider aspect ratio works better here.
In the end though you don't need a huge price differential. The selling point isn't price, Apple wouldn't be effectively competing against anybody. Instead it is size that will attract people. In this regards I still think a device close to 8" is way to big, rather the device should be sub 7". I suspect Apple would be able to adjust price enough to get people to buy.
They will likely shoot for a $50 differential. Even that might be too much. Knowing Apple they would arrange the feature set so that you would have to buy one or the othEr based on features. For example the seven inch device might have 20 or 40GB of flash where as the iPad might have 32, 64 & 128 GB of flash. There are all sorts of way to rig the product line up.
First if Apple did go this route it will be a device with a retina display. That won't be cheap, but size does matter here. A larger LCD is just harder to get perfect. In any event the LCD should impact pricing significantly.
size makes the displays expensive. The larger the display the harder it is to get perfect. However internal part might not be the same. I'm still expecting Apple to split SoC manufacture into two devices, one chip for phones and a more powerful unit for iPads. So they can vary the hardware and actually have several choices or ways to cheapen the hardware. The fact is with a smaller battery they would have to do something.
As a side note I could see Apple coming out with an HD ratio iPod. This would be a device to effectively be a member of the Apple TV initiative that is coming. They will call it an iPod or AppleTV to distinguish it from the iPad. Another variant might be a iOS device optimized for gaming. In the context of a seven inch device that would mean an iPad with buttons. I'm also convince that a wider aspect ratio works better here.
a smaller case, screen and battery would impact price. Apple could also use older chip sets. Or conversely they might go with an even higher integration device. The smaller PCB would be ideal for the smaller device.
In the end though you don't need a huge price differential. The selling point isn't price, Apple wouldn't be effectively competing against anybody. Instead it is size that will attract people. In this regards I still think a device close to 8" is way to big, rather the device should be sub 7". I suspect Apple would be able to adjust price enough to get people to buy.
Why? Not that i think it would be exactly the same but if the only real difference is the screen then it could easily be sold for a few bucks less. Look at the LCD monitor business, thoose screens are often very close in price ebben if the only feature difference is the screen People buy features for the most part [/quote]So, to me, the question is, is Apple willing to make a lesser profit?[/QUOTE]
They will likely shoot for a $50 differential. Even that might be too much. Knowing Apple they would arrange the feature set so that you would have to buy one or the othEr based on features. For example the seven inch device might have 20 or 40GB of flash where as the iPad might have 32, 64 & 128 GB of flash. There are all sorts of way to rig the product line up.
Oh they learned magic wand tool too then. They post this story like it's so difficult to imagine what a smaller device would be in your hands. It's not some scientific diagram that is very useful. It's a quick cut/paste photoshop job.
Who is "they" you speak of. I have friends and colleagues who love their Kindle Fire and think it's very easy and fun to use. They also don't feel they sacrificed anything other than extra $$ for things they didn't need nor an ecosystem they weren't interested in investing in.
A massive disappointment to whom? You and some imaginary friends of yours? Because in the real world - it's selling very well. And weren't you the one that said (about Apple) it's all about sales? Sales = success? Yeah. Funny how that only applies to some companies though...
Why would a 399 "of course" have a smaller margin than a device at 499? Plus, people are forgetting added sales. McDonalds et co. make a fortune out of plus-sizing. Apple do the same. Get the customer in with a cheap baseline, then once hooked, get them to buy more things (larger SSD, Apple care, you name it).
My ipad 2 is the perfect size, wouldn't be getting this IF it came out allthough I know many would
And only when it benefits Apple. If an Apple product sells poorly, its still the bomb.
He didn't rule out anything, he was marketing what he had.
Steve was full of marketing speak when debuting the iPad. I'm not sure why people have a hard time grasping this. Good salesman sell what they have, not what somebody wishes they had.
It is no different than looking at how the AIR evolved into what we have today. Eventually we will have 3 different sizes of AIRs. Apparently the 15" didn't meet quality standards if you believe the rumors, so Apple went with what they had.
It just blows my mind that people can't grasp this.
Steve was full of marketing speak when debuting the iPad. I'm not sure why people have a hard time grasping this. Good salesman sell what they have, not what somebody wishes they had.
It is no different than looking at how the AIR evolved into what we have today. Eventually we will have 3 different sizes of AIRs. Apparently the 15" didn't meet quality standards if you believe the rumors, so Apple went with what they had.
It just blows my mind that people can't grasp this.
I thank them for it. It's easier to click a link on my iPad and get a real feel for the size difference, then go into Photoshop and do it myself (and I didn't think to do it, either). Plus, the mock ups are pretty nice looking overall.
I think most people do find an actual hard copy of something illuminating in many ways that their own imagination failed at. This is why prototypes exist.
You're acting like prototypes are unnecessary and/or you've already done this for yourself long ago. I don't get what the point is and I'm already sorry I spent this much time replying.
Or ahead of its time.
Or they've had more successes than failures
Or "just wait and see"
Or "it's a first gen release"
Or...
Name a single piece of HARDWARE made by Google?
You seem to think you know it all.
I forgot, it doesn't matter does it, because are the best at everything because you say they are.
We'll ignore the failure of Jobs to keep Bill Gates on side at the start when they were working together on an OS. The Mac Clones, which almost killed the company a second time, or what about the Cube, whose only true use was a space heater.
Or were you not even aware Apple existed still before 2010?
Define book. Because as I recall, he made that comment in relationship to the tree pulp derived item which was seeing a huge drop in sales and putting stores out of business.
You might want to wait until Apple has actually caved before you make such comments.
Cause rumors have a way of being totally wrong sometimes.
And they are returning it because it is cheap and poor quality.
Not to mention that Apple isn't losing any sales numbers so they have nothing to fear from the Fire
Can't wait to see the battery pack on that one. It would bring back the days of the boom box
Nope. You are also wrong. Apple doesn't like the use of the word mini for devices. It would be the iPad Nano
You are correct to a point. The notion of pushing the iPad 3 to 32-128GB is sound as is keeping the 16 GB wifi iPad 2 in the same way they kept the 3gs when the 4 came out. But no they aren't likely to keep the whole iPad 2 lineup or create a 'cheaper' anything just to be cheaper.
Two things that many folks don't consider when thinking about Apple that I think they definitely do keep in mind.
1. That "Apple Tax" isn't just markup for the sake of markup. It is what pays for the store staff salaries etc which gives you the free workshops, the trainers, the techs. What you pay in Apple Care will never cover all the costs if something goes wrong. What you don't use will never cover all the overflow from other folks. Especially when they don't charge folks for those 15-20 minutes at the bar if they don't have any sort of warranty coverage. That money comes from all that "Apple Tax". Which by the by also often isn't as large as the blogs say because they don't consider licensing and other fees in those costs.
2. There's a psychology to pricing such that the more something costs you then the more you value and take care of it. You are less likely to fling a $500 tablet around willy nilly compared to a $200 one because the cost to replace it is more. I would hate to see how many appointments Apple would have for folks that tossed that $200 iPad Nano in their bag with no cover or case, letting it get slammed around and cracked and then they come in screaming for a free replacement although they were told that accidental damage isn't a warranty covered item. And even replaced at cost, every one of those that they do is one less for the guy that comes in the next hour with a legit defect unit. These notions are likely why Apple isn't keen to pull a loss leader like Amazon has apparently done with the Kindle Fire
What bothers me the most is how many people decide not to be frugal consumers and fall into mindless loyalty or corpo-sycophancy.
Agreed. When Steve was talking about sanding your fingertips down he was alluding to how the iPad hits a sweet interface spot where you can do a certain amount with it and it's still portable. The 7" pads were trying to do the same as the 10" pads and it seemed ludicrous. A good selling point for the iPad.
That doesn't mean the iPad can't scale into a smaller and larger form factor and be appealing to many. It's just that the iPad launched at the RIGHT size against what was currently on the market and what the intent of the device was. Sales indicate he was probably right about that.
I thank them for it. It's easier to click a link on my iPad and get a real feel for the size difference, then go into Photoshop and do it myself (and I didn't think to do it, either). Plus, the mock ups are pretty nice looking overall.
I think most people do find an actual hard copy of something illuminating in many ways that their own imagination failed at. This is why prototypes exist.
You're acting like prototypes are unnecessary and/or you've already done this for yourself long ago. I don't get what the point is and I'm already sorry I spent this much time replying.
I never once said anything about prototypes. MR loves their mocups and clearly spend a lot of time on them and use them a lot. We learned that with their iPhone 5 images. Let's see how much this new one gets used every time we hear about iPad 3.
The comment was "re: Kindle", so he meant books as in text-based stories. Not necessarily paper-based ones.
“It doesn’t matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don’t read anymore,” he said. “Forty percent of the people in the U.S. read one book or less last year. The whole conception is flawed at the top because people don’t read anymore.