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Jobs also said that no one reads books any more and then proceeded to open up the iBookstore.

and while introducing it, he said that Amazon did a great job in creating the Market. He gave credit where it was due and ate some humble pie at the same time.
 
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Apple won't sell product at a loss so they can't compete with amazon who is selling the fire below cost. As a owner of a touchpad, iPad, iPad 2, galaxy 10.1, and nook colour I can say for sure the iPad 2 has the best form factor by a mile
 
^ Maybe I'm the only one, but to me all of these products are luxury goods.
In a way yes.
You can't make a practical argument for any of them if you already own a PC capable of... you know, browsing the web.
This is where more research and less posting would be helpful. Look up iPad in Corporations, iPads in medical, iPads in the field. These are real world uses where lugging a PC is less desirable.
If you love books and are on a budget, take your $200 to the used book store and see how much you get, read, and sell back to them. Or here's an idea: go to the Library.
A digital book you will have forever. This does not covert print media not available in a used book store.

Your stuck in 1980. Replace your calendar (that's the problem with printed items, they get stale.)
 
I agree. the 4:3 ratio is a problem. 16:10 would be optimal in my book.

Exactly, every tablet I know that's 7" is 16:10 and is a nice handheld pocket friendly shape and size.

Here is the Archos 8" 4:3, which is a pretty good device actually for the money.

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I'm about to make the dumbest prediction of all time, here goes...

Ok did anyone else notice that this 7.85in screen exactly perfectly fits within the current 9.6in iPad's viewport MINUS the bezel? What if Apple's plan is to keep all on screen elements precisely the same size, but just make an ipad without a bezel? After all, the only reason a bezel is needed is for two handed operation, but a 7.85in iPad is just the right size for holding the thing with one (adult) hand, thus obviating the need for a bezel (kinda like an iPhone). And of course, if need be, the thing could display a virtual black bezel for a kid's hands. It's convenient because it would require no scaling change to iOS's screen elements.

Edit: not that I would necessarily prefer this scenario. What would happen to the physical home button? I like having a single physical button. But it just seems like too much of a coincidence that a 7.85inch panel nearly perfectly fits into the viewport of the current iPad. It seems like the obvious answer is right in front of our face!

Edit 2: and this would perfectly jibe with Steve Jobs's comment that current 7inch tablets are too small. They're too small because they have a bezel, leaving you with a viewport that isn't remarkably larger than a jumbo phone. But a 7.85 inch tablet without a bezel would keep the same screen real estate as the current iPad.
 
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Anybody who thinks the iPad needs to compete with the Kindle Fire has probably never used either device.

Apples and Oranges. Pun intended.

Plus most of the reviews for the fire were terrible. I love the regular kindle. I think for what it does it is far wide better than every other option out there. E-ink is an incredible thing and I hope to see it featured more in the future. It is in my opinion, the best way to read a book for those of us who like to travel light and read in the dark.

The fire on the other hand is what is trying to compete with the iPad. And it didn't do a good job. I have nothing against amazon, in fact I buy stuff from them all the time. But the fire was a stupid idea and a failed attempt to catch up to the iPad. Amazon COULD build an iPad competitor, but they missed the mark with the fire.

I'm not against a 7 inch iPad- I would probably even buy one if the specs were as good or better than the iPad 2. If Apple launched one tomorrow it would do better than the fire simply because the fire kinda sucks. Just my two cents.

Someone will build an iPad killer some day but right now, there is no competition. Don't ask me how, but the competition against the iPhone somehow did not translate to the tablet market. Every tablet I have used has the same insanely crappy can't believe it made it to market style response to touch. You tap the screen and then have to guess whether or not it registered, you go to re-tap just as the first tap is registering. Kind of frustrating.

I completely disagree. The Fire is doing a great job (if indicative sales figures are to be trusted). It was a great idea to not attempt to catch up to the iPad. This way, they can get their devices in, get users hooked and then by the time the realize they want something more: Kindle Fire - Pro; vertical bootstrapping. It'll be an amazing business case if they pull it off, and chances are - they will. It certainly is the best attempt to disrupt Apples momentum that I've seen so far.

My only gripe is Android, which seems to create an overly sluggish experience at that spec-point. Then again, its somewhat understandable. Its positioned well with the existing Amazon app store. Still, they should have (and still should) reached out to MSFT and make a deal. Win-win for both; MSFT probably would prefer safe rather than sorry this time around. The bet is too huge to lose.

Amazon gets an OS that performs well, and tight integration in the phone-line. MSFT gets Amazons help in pushing things forward (which is potentially huge).
 
Depends on the size of your hands

Since I'm 6'3" with huge hands a 7 inch iPad wouldn't work for me at all, I like my 10 inch one just fine. But a 7 inch iPad with the exact same number of pixels (or double if it comes in a retina version) would be perfect for schoolchildren or people with small hands. My 10 year old daughter would probably love it.

If this were to happen, Apple definitely needs to keep the 4:3 aspect ratio as opposed to the 16:9 widescreen of the other 7 inch tablets.
 
Exactly, every tablet I know that's 7" is 16:10 and is a nice handheld pocket friendly shape and size.

Here is the Archos 8" 4:3, which is a pretty good device actually for the money.

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16:10 is the sweet spot in many ways. 16:9 is way to narrow (i have a u2311 running in portrait), 4:3 is too broad. 3:2 would be ok as a compromise, but offers very few advantages over 16:10 - if any, really.
 
I love how so many here bashed Samsung for offering a 7 inch tab, and now rumours that good 'ol Apple just might release such a size, it's now a welcome idea. There is no way in heck that anyone can bash "OPTIONS." 7 inches, 8.9 inches, or 10.1 inches. Forget the brand itself, blind followers actually bashed the very fact of having this many choices in size. How do you bash of having more choices in size? But now that they may have a choice of a more portable size, they seem to be singing a different tune. No shame with these blind followers, just like the company they blindly follow.
 
I love how so many here bashed Samsung for offering a 7 inch tab, and now rumours that good 'ol Apple just might release such a size, it's now a welcome idea. There is no way in heck that anyone can bash "OPTIONS." 7 inches, 8.9 inches, or 10.1 inches. Forget the brand itself, blind followers actually bashed the very fact of having this many choices in size. How do you bash of having more choices in size? But now that they may have a choice of a more portable size, they seem to be singing a different tune. No shame with these blind followers, just like the company they blindly follow.

Yeap, just the same as the posters on here that seem threatened by the Kindle Fires success and so feel the constant need to rubbish it and proclaim it as crap and spin lies about it, ignoring the very fact the two devices are very different and not really comparable! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I'm about to make the dumbest prediction of all time, here goes...

Ok did anyone else notice that this 7.85in screen exactly perfectly fits within the current 9.6in iPad's viewport MINUS the bezel? What if Apple's plan is to keep all on screen elements precisely the same size, but just make an ipad without a bezel? After all, the only reason a bezel is needed is for two handed operation, but a 7.85in iPad is just the right size for holding the thing with one (adult) hand, thus obviating the need for a bezel (kinda like an iPhone). And of course, if need be, the thing could display a virtual black bezel for a kid's hands. It's convenient because it would require no scaling change to iOS's screen elements.

Edit: not that I would necessarily prefer this scenario. What would happen to the physical home button? I like having a single physical button. But it just seems like too much of a coincidence that a 7.85inch panel nearly perfectly fits into the viewport of the current iPad. It seems like the obvious answer is right in front of our face!

Edit 2: and this would perfectly jibe with Steve Jobs's comment that current 7inch tablets are too small. They're too small because they have a bezel, leaving you with a viewport that isn't remarkably larger than a jumbo phone. But a 7.85 inch tablet without a bezel would keep the same screen real estate as the current iPad.
The iPad's screen size is 9.6" and the bezel is additional space. A 7.85" iPad without a bezel would still have a 7.85" screen, amd be venerable to Steve's criticisms.
 
How much less would be the cost of producing a 7.85" iPad compared to a regular 10" iPad? Would it be enough to be sold at an attractive low price while maintain a proportional profit margin?

In other words:

Would you rather drive 20 miles to work for 10 hours and get paid $100.00 or drive 15 miles to work 10 hours and get paid $90.00, putting the same work effort in either case?
 
you should perhaps quote the article, not me quoting the article, because it appears that *im* the idiot that is saying they need to compete with Amazon.

i was quoting the article.

I want to make it clear that you were quoting the article. My apologies if my post led you (and consequently, others) to believe that you were not. The fault is mine.
 
If presented with a 9.8" or a 7.85" iPad with a 1024x768 resolution, I'd likely pick the 7.85".

If the 9.8" gets 2048x1536 and the 7.85" stays at 1024x768, I'd opt for the 9.8".

Yeah, that's the problem. Apple creates fragmentation if they introduce some intermediate resolution for this hypothetical device, but the old 1024x768 is low by today's standards (and certainly by next year's standards), but it seems unlikely to use 2048x1536 packed into such a small screen too, that'd be overkill, and expensive. Ideally it'd be around maybe 1600x1200 for that size, but that creates issues for developers. Also, reducing the size would probably reduce battery life, and people really like their ~10 hr. battery life on the iPad.
 
......that's actually exactly what they are doing, and it's been brought up in countless tech blogs before.
they are selling the hardware at a loss, to recoup the losses in sales of content, because amazon is at the end of the day, a content distributor not a hardware company.

nothing unsubstantiated about that.

I never argued that point. I argued the OP's comment which said that Amazon planned to rip people off with their content. Did you actually read what I was originally quoting/commenting on?

I ask sincerely because all too often it seems like people are quick to hit the reply button without understanding the context of the discussion at the time.

Yes. Amazon is selling the unit at or below their costs. Yes - they know they will make it up with revenue from their content. But in no way does that imply they are going to "rip customers off." As I noted - content for music and many books is actually CHEAPER than iTunes.

So in actuality - they are doing the opposite of ripping their customers off, aren't they. They are offering the device "at cost" or below cost and then also offering content at a fair and reasonable amount.

Compare that to Apple's model. And I am not suggesting that Apple is ripping people off (before some people start getting in a tizzy).
 
In a way yes.

This is where more research and less posting would be helpful. Look up iPad in Corporations, iPads in medical, iPads in the field. These are real world uses where lugging a PC is less desirable.

A digital book you will have forever. This does not covert print media not available in a used book store.

Your stuck in 1980. Replace your calendar (that's the problem with printed items, they get stale.)

I'm not even sure you read what I was responding to... and you seem to have gone off into some kind of misplaced rant. However, your rant is hilarious. I made you a first world problem picture.

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I might make another one that says "Reading a book makes me feel like I'm stuck in 1980. :("
 
Not gonna happen, because Steve is right.

Also, the Kindle Fire sells well because it's cheap, not because it's small. They're not making money with it, neither would Apple with a cheaper 8" tablet.
 
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