I don't fear Face ID. I would, however, appreciate it if Apple would transition these kinds of changes versus the abrupt slam bam. I am a creature of habit. Touch ID is nicely integrated into my routines. Why not offer Touch ID as an option for the iPhone X? That would have been genius. I would have zero reasons NOT to upgrade. And I could have directly compared options for what works best for me. But not Apple. Remove this to get that. Just once, try the transition approach. I dare you Apple. (and I won't go into the never Apple junk. I have my opinion -- have not used iPhone X -- nothing more).
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This may help with some of the FaceID fears
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Confused on these replies about being passed out drunk or sleeping. Someone can easily unlock your current phone by pressing your thumb on it while you're sleeping. At least with FaceID your eyes have to be open for it to work.
wait.. it flashes?..
right?
or am i just seeing things?
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'it' being what i think to be the dot projector component
right?
or am i just seeing things?
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'it' being what i think to be the dot projector component
The flash is confirmation your face data is sent to the government. Each and every time you use it /s
On a serious note, I didn’t see any flash.
watch it on youtube at a larger size
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ok, yeah.. definitely flashes
(early in the video when she sets up faceID and when using ApplePay)
but what @Diorama was saying-- probably can't see it with our eyes.
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couldn't a jealous gf also just use your thumb to unlock an iphone with touch id if you're drunk or sleep
https://tech.co/new-iphone-x-face-id-invasion-privacy-2017-10/amp
“Because Face ID is attention-based, much like voice recognition systems, this means some aspect of the technology has to always be on. Some are creeped out by the idea of facial recognition system potentially scanning everything it sees, which seems like a legitimate concern.
“The increasing usage of biometrics for consumer security will likely reignite the Apple vs. FBI debate. Some also fear that easy-to-use biometric systems, like Face ID, might wind up being used against consumers if they’re put into situations where they’re unable to act quickly enough to disable Face ID and are compelled to unlock their phone against their will.”
“Although Apple says it’s worked with Hollywood makeup and design artists to tests its systems against spoofed faces, it’s getting frighteningly easier to create facial molds and models. For example, in 2013, artist Heather Dewey-Hagborg created an art exhibit using residual DNA from leftover hair and other artifacts to 3D print the faces of strangers. Her exhibit was created to demonstrate the amount of information we tend to leave behind and how we’ll need to carefully guard it from the surveillance systems of the future. With 3D printing and DNA phenotyping becoming more common, the long-term viability of facial recognition as a security measure is at the very least questionable.”
Worse, Face ID has a single point of failure, your face. Should you lose to mathematical model that the tech relies on to a hack, you can’t exactly change your face like you can a password.
“Because so many of the concerns surrounding Face ID are speculative, it’s extremely difficult to say. While it’s likely that individuals using Face ID will make their devices more secure, in a broader sense, an argument could be made that the privacy implications of introducing this technology for society as a whole are currently unknown.”
Imagine if you are drunk or stoned. The nosy, jealous gf is ready to flash your phone to unlock it with just a gaze? Nah. Passcode it is.
wait, what?
that's a good thing imo.
and i don't think that faceID was too slow in those instances.. just that he started swiping before it saw his face.
like-- you don't have to wait until the phone is unlocked before you can swipe up to open it.. you just swipe up and it opens.. without needing to wait for it to see you first.
(that said-- i may have to watch again.. but as far as i can remember-- in those situations you're talking about, the phone did open, right?)
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yeah.. he said he never had to redo it.. it worked every time..
so idk, i'm backing it so far because it seems to be working out how i hoped it would.. you just swipe up to open and not have to think about the faceID part of it.
Same thing happens on the current phones on certain cameras at certain angles. It's just very visible now haha.
I agree it’s good you can swipe before it unlocks. But the problem I’m pointing out is that FaceID takes too long in some instances. You shouldn’t have to wait on a FaceID loading page for the phone to finish unlocking. It should have already seen his face, he’s holding it right in front. It should be faster.
yeah.. i see what you're saying.
i suppose it may feel glitchy if it doesn't go to the homepage as fast/smoothly as it does if, say, exiting an app.
we'll see.
i think he thinks if you're drunk or stoned, you won't notice someone unlocking your phone.. even while you're awake.
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i mean, maybe? how drunk are we talking here?
(that said-- get someone drunk enough and they'll unlock their phone for you
)not really sure about the stoned person though..
on the X, it's hold the siri button and volume button for a few seconds to bring up the SOS dialog.
maybe the same thing on the 8 too.
Unfortunately, many people have a wildly overblown estimation of what's possible.
They also have a wildly overblown sense of paranoia that they think they're important enough for the government or any hyper-powerful entity to want to do something like ... scan your face?
And, to what end? What nefarious thing can the government do with mapping data of your face (that they can't get anyway because it's only stored in a secured enclave on your phone that can only be accessed by secured elements of that same phone) that they can't already do with images/video/etc that they already have?
If they really wanted mappings of people's faces, it'd be way, way, waaaaay easier to just add face mapping tech to things like DMV/passport/ID cameras. That way, they get almost everyone's face (not just the people that can afford a $1k iPhone) and without having to figure out how to do the impossible (hack the secure enclave in your device from afar).
But, no. The NSA somehow is going to magically have just iPhone X user's faces to toy with. Brilliant.
They said yes, although I'm sure that some people may experience problems with some types of sunglasses.