This New Yorker is pretty pissed about iOS 6 maps

[Mad Mac]

Yes it is better. Yes you can get turn by turn, but you have to pay for a decent one. This is free and integrated, plus voice controlled by Siri is something you don't get.

Free? You sound like an Android user. I want polished apps. Not half baked and free. There's already free turn by turn for the iPhone now that are half baked. Integrating a half baked mapping system into a half baked voice system? Not exactly appealing. Not something that should be released.

Apple's mapping solution should be superior to Google's on Android. Period. None of this "give them time to make it right" nonsense.

BTW, it's a myth that Google won't allow turn by turn on the iPhone.

 

[shandyman]

Free? You sound like an Android user. I want polished apps. Not half baked and free. There's already free turn by turn for the iPhone now that are half baked. Integrating a half baked mapping system into a half baked voice system? Not exactly appealing. Not something that should be released.

Apple's mapping solution should be superior to Google's on Android. Period. None of this "give them time to make it right" nonsense.

BTW, it's a myth that Google won't allow turn by turn on the iPhone.

Wow. You want to taint my valid point by claiming I'm an android user? I'm not btw and you're just showing desperation now.

Plus it's not a myth, there's a link earlier in this thread.

Edit: apologies, the link I meant was in a different thread. Here it is, quote from WSJ https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15067907

 

[PDFierro]

I think you need to read his original post. In summary:

"I live in New York and I love Google's transit option I now have on my iPhone. I can't believe Apple is getting rid of this and replacing it with turn-by-turn. Blah blah blah..."

He's complaining about something that WILL be in the final release and that he has NO way of trying out now since the third part info isn't available. It's like me starting a thread so I can complain about the features in the iPhone 5.

You keep talking as if by the time the new iPhone is out, Apple Maps will have transit directions.

It won't. You can speak for third-party apps all you want, but who says it's going to work as good as what we have now? And you're promising something that hasn't even come out yet. Where are these apps right now? Even if they come out between now and the fall, it is not going to be a good solution for us.

Transit directions aren't going to just magically appear. And routing the information to third-party apps just isn't going to work, as was discussed already here.

We aren't complaining about something that will be in the final release, because it won't be.

 

[Buildbright]

Another crybaby thread. Wah

 

[shandyman]

You can speak for third-party apps all you want, but who says it's going to work as good as what we have now?

well google transit is crap in the places I've tried using it, but I've got some pretty decent transit apps for those places, so seeing them integrated with me new maps will be great.

Plus if you really want googles transit, there's still maps.google.com and there is very likely maps app from google coming too.

 

[bitsoda]

Google or Apple?

Every several months, my friends and I discuss the "if a company were to vanish, which would affect you more, Apple or Google?" question. As much as I love Apple's hardware and software, Google wins out every time. I rely way too much on Gmail, Reader, Google Calendar, Docs/Drive, Chrome, YouTube, Maps and of course, Search. While I would miss the solid build quality of an iPhone 4/S and the MacBook line of computers, Google's software and cloud services are invaluable to us. Either way, I'm sure Apple can get their act together and ship out a solid version of Maps within four months. Worse come to worst, there's always the mobile https://maps.google.com accessible via Mobile Safari.

 

[Tinmania]

Will the new maps be better than the current (and very stale) maps on iPhone now? Other than turn by turn which one can get from a third party it doesn't sound like it. No street view for one.

The maps are not stale in my testing.

I also own Navigon, which is one of--if not the--best nav apps out for iOS. But for navigating, I already like the new built-in Maps app better. It seems less cluttered for quick glances while driving, shows in the lock screen, has the banner atop screen to get back to it from nearly any app, and is using the voice I am already used to hearing via Siri. I like it--based on actual use.




Michael

 

[MozMan68]

You keep talking as if by the time the new iPhone is out, Apple Maps will have transit directions.

It won't. You can speak for third-party apps all you want, but who says it's going to work as good as what we have now?

I believe Apple stated it would be "integrated" via "third parties."

Just because they stated third parties will be involved doesn't mean it will not b either integrated or available at release.

 

[chiefpavvy]

The maps are not stale in my testing.

I also own Navigon, which is one of--if not the--best nav apps out for iOS. But for navigating, I already like the new built-in Maps app better. It seems less cluttered for quick glances while driving, shows in the lock screen, has the banner atop screen to get back to it from nearly any app, and is using the voice I am already used to hearing via Siri. I like it--based on actual use.

I think Navigon still holds the edge, because it stores the entire map and POI database on the device. No reliance on a cellular data connection. I have no plans to abandon Navigon no matter how good the built-in navigation is or becomes for this reason alone. I'm often out in the boonies, very rural areas, where a cellular data connection is not guaranteed and may be unavailable for fairly long stretches of road. Perhaps Apple will allow third-party nav software to integrate with the lock-screen functionality and such as well...we'll see.

 

[iRobby]

And for what? So Apple can continue their immature little grudge match with Google, completely screwing millions of people who live in big cities and rely on mass transit in the process? What an unbelievably stupid move. If Steve Jobs were still around, I find it hard to believe he would allow a rollout of a redesign that would eliminate so many features like this.

No it's because EVERYONE was whining for turn by turn which I also want but if Google and Apple behaved like adults Google could've included that in the older Maps App they liscensed to iOS and then we'd have best of 2 worlds.

 

[Cybbe]

Wow. You want to taint my valid point by claiming I'm an android user? I'm not btw and you're just showing desperation now.

Plus it's not a myth, there's a link earlier in this thread.

Edit: apologies, the link I meant was in a different thread. Here it is, quote from WSJ https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15067907

I think this is a more accurate quote:

Apple executives also wanted to include Google's turn-by-turn-navigation service in the iPhone—a feature popular with Android users because it lets people treat their phones as in-car GPS devices. Google wouldn't allow it, according to people on both sides. One of these people said Google viewed Apple's terms as unfair.

Google executives, meantime, also bristled at Apple's refusal to add features that would help Google. For instance, Google wanted to emphasize its brand name more prominently within the maps app. It also wanted Apple to enable its service designed to find friends nearby, dubbed Latitude, which Apple refrained from doing, said people on both sides.

It doesn't seem like Google flat out refused to enable more features.

 

[Dangerous Theory]

I wonder for how much longer the "If Steve Jobs..." card is going to be played.

 

[shandyman]

I think this is a more accurate quote:

Apple executives also wanted to include Google's turn-by-turn-navigation service in the iPhone—a feature popular with Android users because it lets people treat their phones as in-car GPS devices. Google wouldn't allow it, according to people on both sides. One of these people said Google viewed Apple's terms as unfair.

Google executives, meantime, also bristled at Apple's refusal to add features that would help Google. For instance, Google wanted to emphasize its brand name more prominently within the maps app. It also wanted Apple to enable its service designed to find friends nearby, dubbed Latitude, which Apple refrained from doing, said people on both sides.

It doesn't seem like Google flat out refused to enable more features.

Google still hindered tho, a condition was to enable latitude, which seems to have not taken off really. Also google wanted their name more prominent. Why would apple pay google for access and then give free advertising to google and push googles latitude service? I'd tell google to take a hike for something cheeky like that. Google may not have said no outright, but they made sure the terms were unacceptable to apple...

Plus you skip over all the bits where google were far more outright about hindering, like with street view....

 

[Tinmania]

I think Navigon still holds the edge, because it stores the entire map and POI database on the device. No reliance on a cellular data connection. I have no plans to abandon Navigon no matter how good the built-in navigation is or becomes for this reason alone. I'm often out in the boonies, very rural areas, where a cellular data connection is not guaranteed and may be unavailable for fairly long stretches of road. Perhaps Apple will allow third-party nav software to integrate with the lock-screen functionality and such as well...we'll see.

The new maps app does pretty well with less than stellar coverage. I was in the middle of nowhere on Saturday, near Oatman, AZ, and it kept navigating even when signal was completely lost.

I don't think third-parties will get the kind of integration the new maps app has, but you never know.

That said, while I might reach for the built-in Maps app first it does not mean I won't still keep Navigon loaded--particularly since it doesn't even take up much space for me (only have 3 states loaded most of the time). I also am a fan of the speed warning feature.




Michael

 

[iGobbleoff]

As mentioned, its a Beta, the only beta users should be developers getting their own apps ready for the new release, not everyday people who rely on the OS for their everyday work/fun.

Its a beta, live with it, don't whinge.

 

[load97]

^****^

 

[The Phazer]

Edit: apologies, the link I meant was in a different thread. Here it is, quote from WSJ https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15067907

Woo, a newspaper quote from an unnamed source, whcih is journalistic code for "this sounds plausible so I made it up."

And even then it doesn't say what you claim it does, as has already been pointed out.

Phazer

 

[shandyman]

Woo, a newspaper quote from an unnamed source, whcih is journalistic code for "this sounds plausible so I made it up."

And even then it doesn't say what you claim it does, as has already been pointed out.

Phazer

lol so just because it proves you wrong, you try and claim its made up?! You'd think if it was made up, the WSJ would have been challenged over it and withdrawn the article....

It does, google blatantly made unreasonable demands in order for apple to e able to have turn by turn. Plus street view was delayed for ages on iOS

 

[Zaft]

Correct, people need to stop freaking out, if they don't like the Apple maps, there will be an alternative.

The question is will apple approve it?

 

[shandyman]

The question is will apple approve it?

of course. They still have turn by turn apps in app store. Other browser apps. This is no different

 

[chiefpavvy]

The new maps app does pretty well with less than stellar coverage. I was in the middle of nowhere on Saturday, near Oatman, AZ, and it kept navigating even when signal was completely lost.

I don't think third-parties will get the kind of integration the new maps app has, but you never know.

That said, while I might reach for the built-in Maps app first it does not mean I won't still keep Navigon loaded--particularly since it doesn't even take up much space for me (only have 3 states loaded most of the time). I also am a fan of the speed warning feature.

Just out of curiosity, how long were you without a signal when that happened? Was it just a brief 'blip' or an extended period of time?

I'm not giving up Navigon either, I love having the entire maps and POI on device so that a cellular data connection isn't required.

On the speed warning thing, yeah, I know that feeling...I always tell myself I am gonna disable it but I never do.

 

[Tinmania]

Just out of curiosity, how long were you without a signal when that happened? Was it just a brief 'blip' or an extended period of time?

It was for about 5 or so minutes. But during that time a turn came up and I was instructed to turn as normal. I "think" it might cache the turn locations' coordinates so if you are staying on the route it will alert you. I say that because there was no map detail displayed when that turn came up.

I'm not giving up Navigon either, I love having the entire maps and POI on device so that a cellular data connection isn't required.

On the speed warning thing, yeah, I know that feeling...I always tell myself I am gonna disable it but I never do.

Me too--it can be annoying. What that feature needs, in my opinion, is more granularity than just 5MPH increments. I'd love to be able to set it to, say, 9MPH.




Michael

 

[iphone1105]

Me too--it can be annoying. What that feature needs, in my opinion, is more granularity than just 5MPH increments. I'd love to be able to set it to, say, 9MPH.




Michael

I agree with you and the other poster, but particulalry with you on this point. It's my only grip with the Navigon app. I'd love to set it at 7mph myslef, as I always like to go 7mph above the limit.....here in So Cal you never really get to go too fast anyway, too much traffic. 7mph above the limit is my ideal spot if and when i get the chance hahaha

 

[Roofy.]

of course. They still have turn by turn apps in app store. Other browser apps. This is no different

But it is different. This is a map system by Apple, not Google. Why would Apple care if you use another map system over googles? Now that its Apples own, they probably will care.

Plus, before there was no turn by turn, so obviously Apple would accept a turn by turn app. When iOS6 is released there will finally be a built in turn by turn nav. So I realyl doubt they are going to accept new navigation apps. Especially if it has the word "Google" on it.

 

[bozzykid]

But it is different. This is a map system by Apple, not Google. Why would Apple care if you use another map system over googles? Now that its Apples own, they probably will care.

Plus, before there was no turn by turn, so obviously Apple would accept a turn by turn app. When iOS6 is released there will finally be a built in turn by turn nav. So I realyl doubt they are going to accept new navigation apps. Especially if it has the word "Google" on it.

There's a reason why Apple has basically stopped denying apps based on "duplicate functionality". US regulators are just waiting for Apple to ban a huge company like Google from their platform. No way Apple will keep the app off the App Store if Google creates it.