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Nice piece of art. But I do see some other equally impressive pieces of art (comic pictures/ personal portraits/caricatures/original game arts etc) drawn on Surfaces. So I guess it mostly depends on artists, their talents and their preferences.
 
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tell me when I can run the full adobe lightroom / photoshop suite on the iPad pro

Tell me when I can do my sys-admin work on an iPad pro?

Tell me when I can do my database design and implementation / maintenance work on an iPad Pro?
Those are the part that Surface Pro has been better than iPad since day one, I don't believe anyone can argue against that.

However, all the way till Surface Pro 4, it is inferior to iPads in many aspects. Now, the latest release of the new Surface Pro finally makes it a better device (than iPad Pro) even from a tablet viewpoint.
 
Those are the part that Surface Pro has been better than iPad since day one, I don't believe anyone can argue against that.

However, all the way till Surface Pro 4, it is inferior to iPads in many aspects. Now, the latest release of the new Surface Pro finally makes it a better device (than iPad Pro) even from a tablet viewpoint.

Maybe, I haven't used a new Surface Pro yet. Work we have Surface Pro 4's for users, I have a personal Surface Pro 2.

I also have a couple iPads. had a couple android tablets, blackberry tablet.

I still think the iPad overall makes a better Tablet, for Tablet consumption features.
But once you start pushing the boundaries of consumption, tasks get progressively harder to do, and progressively harder to find solutions for on an iPad, due to all the plethora of reasons people mention.

where, I find that once you start wanting to do more than simple consumption, the Surface linup is better.

it really all comes down to what do you want to do with the device. I still can't say that any one device is better than the other in all situations.

Though, maybe my opinion will change once I get to use the new Surface pro. I'm debating buying it as an upgrade to my SP2 since Apple hsa completely priced themselves out of my own Value proposition in their current device lineup
 
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Surface pro still has stepping if you draw slow diagonal lines. Some artists this isn't a problem for, others it's a total deal-breaker.

I like when iPad art is featured. Near me there's David Hockney displays and he has absolutely loads of stuff he's drawn on older iPads, blown up to big sizes. I don't really love his style but I like when more abstract and traditional artists move to a platform, you know it's not just the tech-inclined dabbling, it's nice. I'm a long term photoshop user and I prefer Procreate on the move, and still do even though I can happily run Photoshop via Astropad, there's a lot to be said for good, from the ground up, streamlined touch/pressure interfaces.
 
As an admin, as someone who supports a few hundred people, and clients. It is NOT my bloody job to file manage for my users.
Actually, in the beginning of computing this was very much the admin's job. Admins have just successfully managed to push that job to the users.
they need to be aware of what files are, file management is, and fully engaged at doing their own file copying. it is a waste of my time, and a waste of the users time to have to fire me an email to ask me to copy files around for them.
Exactly. That is why operating systems should handle this task now. In theory, an intern who earns $10/hr could do it, but nobody hires an intern for that, because it's an intermittent task. So instead, we have graphic designers and software developers with hourly rates of $100/hr doing a job that a $10/hr intern could do and that has nothing to do with their actual core talent that they were hired for.
The point of tech is to engage users and to enhance their knowledge / underestanding.
Funny, I always thought the point of tech was to make people's lives easier. Now you are saying that the point of tech is to keep them performing unnecessary tasks outside of their precious core talents. Even funnier that we are having that discussion in an Apple forum when Apple's vision has always been to make people's lives easier through tech. There's a reason why Apple made graphical user interfaces popular - one of many things that hide technological details from the users.
not to hide it and pretend it doesn't exist so that someone else does things for them. There's nothing unproductive about ensuring that your users know how to put files in the correct places so that they can use them better.
Really? A graphic designer wasting time with messing with the file system is productive? In my eyes, they are only productive when they use the talents that only they have, not a "skill" that anyone can be trained to have within a short amount of time.

It's even stranger when you take software developers who nowadays work with languages like Java that contain technologies like garbage collectors that hide frequently occuring technical tasks from the developers, or powerful APIs that they would otherwise have to recreate in thousands of lines of code - and at the same time, the developers work with operating systems that make them do basic admin tasks like it's the 1970s - a time when Assembler was still a popular programming language.

Messing with the file system or other basic admin tasks have no relation to the actual value creation process. It's like driving manual vs automatic. I assume you are driving manual, as you believe that tech should engage users and not hide itself and so on. I drive automatic, because I drive to get somewhere, and actively managing the speed/power conversion between my car's motor and the wheels is not an essential part of getting somewhere that I feel I need to handle. Same for navigation. I assume you do that by checking maps. I use a navigation system. Automatic windshield wipers, automatic lights - must be terrible to you, as you want to be in charge of when your windshield wipers engage, just as you want to know where exactly a file you use is located.

I want to concentrate on managing my car's interaction with the traffic and conformance to street rules. And even these parts I am happy to give up. Self-driving cars cannot come soon enough. That must be a nightmare to you, but I am happy that this is not a majority opinion. I believe it will also be like that someday in the future, when people realize that the user-is-an-admin model we have now is really just a waste of time.
 
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and what exactly would impress you about the use of technology that wasn't mentioned here?
Seriously? Nothing about this is technically impressive. It's a simple sketch. It is low fidelity with basic shading and minimal use of layers. Nothing about this piece stresses the hardware or software. There is nothing for Apple fans to brag or be offended by here.
If you want to impress me with the use of your hardware I want to see something about the art the has benefited from its use. Such as complex layers, shading, fine details or technique/manipulation that is somehow unique to the platform.
Everything good about this cover is the result of the artist and this could have been done equally well dozens of other ways. Either with other digital tools or even simple physical mediums. I don't see we're the use of the iPad either streamlined the process nor uniquely aided in the expression of the vision.
 
While the piece is nice enough, the credit goes to the artist, not the tool. This is a simple piece with nothing technically impressive about it for me to praise the device.

Sometimes, the tech enables the artist. Let's see him try to draw the same picture on a surface laptop.
 
Those are my favorite basketball courts in the City. Really a great addition to Brooklyn's waterfront. Glad they got some more recognition.

Now if the Penny Arcade guys will switch from their Surface Books to iPad Pro, we've got ourselves a story. But I think there might be some sponsorship going on there.
 
I guess Apple got tired of buying fashion magazine covers for the Apple watch - now they trying the same failed hype machine with the ipad pencil.
 
Those are the part that Surface Pro has been better than iPad since day one, I don't believe anyone can argue against that.

However, all the way till Surface Pro 4, it is inferior to iPads in many aspects. Now, the latest release of the new Surface Pro finally makes it a better device (than iPad Pro) even from a tablet viewpoint.

Why do you think the New Surface changes the game that much? Just because the stylus has been improved? I mean, sure that helps, but it still runs Windows, which has pros and cons when it comes to stylus and touch use. Also, what deficiencies do you think the Apple Pencil has that leaves any room for it to become inferior? Personally, I experience no lag or responsiveness issues with it at all.
 
Wow, it's almost like the iPad has some art apps that let you draw stuff. This is front page news how?
Because a professional artist used this app and technology to create a beautiful drawing of the most hip neighborhood of the worlds most famous city for an iconic magazine's cover. Decades later people will frame a reprint of this cover to hang in their chic lofts.
 
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Nice piece of art. But I do see some other equally impressive pieces of art (comic pictures/ personal portraits/caricatures/original game arts etc) drawn on Surfaces. So I guess it mostly depends on artists, their talents and their preferences.

While I don't disagree with you, I think the point behind the article is to show the capabilities of what the iPad Pro has with sketching/artistry. Too many times I think the iPad Pro is lost in translation of what it can do and it's overall purpose. One of the many of the undermining tasks is the sketching portion of it with the Apple Pencil. I'm not an artist and I can't make any claims to either the Surface or the Pro, but the potential with the Pro and it's sketching is fairly impressive.
 
Seriously? Nothing about this is technically impressive. It's a simple sketch. It is low fidelity with basic shading and minimal use of layers. Nothing about this piece stresses the hardware or software. There is nothing for Apple fans to brag or be offended by here.
If you want to impress me with the use of your hardware I want to see something about the art the has benefited from its use. Such as complex layers, shading, fine details or technique/manipulation that is somehow unique to the platform.
Everything good about this cover is the result of the artist and this could have been done equally well dozens of other ways. Either with other digital tools or even simple physical mediums. I don't see we're the use of the iPad either streamlined the process nor uniquely aided in the expression of the vision.
This thread gives an idea what artists can do with iPad Pro.
Some impressing examples:
 

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Apple > iPad > Apple Pencil > Artist > cover of well known magazine > Mac Rumors editors discretion = front page news
Of course you're welcomed to start your own news blog and post whatever news worthy item you deem on the front page.
I would certainly hire experienced journalists whose reportage - not to mention grammar - are of a high standard.
 
This piece however is not a good example of that synergy. The piece is intended to be simplistic and just doesn't indicate any need for the high precision or low latency that the device can achieve.
The referenced artist would disagree with you. I'll just leave it at that.
 
I think if you're an artist, the Pro makes this an easy purchase. I'm not a sketcher/artist, but for those who are, the Apple Pencil makes the Pro more "Pro" in terms of how somebody could use this for work purposes or graphic design.

Agreed. It's a great large iPad for me. Got the pencil though hardly use it, limitation is my inability to draw :)

In the right hands the iPad Pro can be amazing. Damn expansive though
 
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It only matters what you can do with the iPad, if it is tailored for you then the price doesn't matter, there will always be a way to get it.
 
It only matters what you can do with the iPad, if it is tailored for you then the price doesn't matter, there will always be a way to get it.

Exactly. One of the distinct advantages to the Pro is the Apple Pencil support and drawing. It's probably the primary reason someone would purchase it aside from the quad speakers or Smart Keyboard. Even if someone did purchase the Pro and didn't utilize the drawing capabilities, it's still an option, but one doesn't have to fully utilize every feature.
 
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