Other This years screen lottery (17, 17 pro, 17 pro max and air)

[NVDA]

I’m also an AAPL shareholder, so what? A phone with a screen that has red tint at the bottom 1/3 of the screen is defective. Non-uniform screen when viewing it straight on is defective. Excessive green shift when tilted at a slight angle is a defect / poor QC.

I demand better. I returned 4 phones that had screen issues and now have a perfect one. We all paid the same price for these phones. There’s no excuse for some to have these defects and others to be perfect. Having owned terrible 17PM and my current flawless one, there’s a massive difference in screen quality that is not acceptable for a $1200 device.

And then you wonder why companies are changing their return policies for the worse...

I’m also an AAPL shareholder, so what? A phone with a screen that has red tint at the bottom 1/3 of the screen is defective. Non-uniform screen when viewing it straight on is defective. Excessive green shift when tilted at a slight angle is a defect / poor QC.

I demand better. I returned 4 phones that had screen issues and now have a perfect one. We all paid the same price for these phones. There’s no excuse for some to have these defects and others to be perfect. Having owned terrible 17PM and my current flawless one, there’s a massive difference in screen quality that is not acceptable for a $1200 device.

And this is why companies keep altering their return policies. Won't be surprised to see restocking fees next year and limits on returns.

 

[gvcg9n]

As one example, OLED white point can absolutely shift with device or panel temperature. The organic emitters that produce red, green, and blue light each have different temperature coefficients for luminance and voltage. As the panel heats up, charge mobility in the organic layers increases, which makes red and green emitters more efficient than blue. That shifts the combined white point slightly warmer, usually by about 150–300 K between ~20 °C and ~60 °C. (See Jeon et al., J. SID 24 (8), 2016; K. Lee et al., SID 2019.)

At the same time, the OLED’s forward voltage drops by roughly −2 mV/°C per subpixel, and the backplane characteristics also change, altering current balance across colors. Manufacturers compensate for this with temperature-dependent calibration tables in the display driver, but they can’t perfectly correct it in real time.

So in practice:

• Cold panel (~10 °C) → whites can (but not always) appear cooler/bluer, around 7000–7200 K.
• Warm panel (~50 °C) → whites can (but again, not always) appear warmer/yellower, around 6500 K or slightly below.

The shift is small but visible on a white background or when you compare two devices side by side.

This is what i observed too.
In bright sunny hot day, the green tinting is very minimal. You can see this transition as the panel warms up. Moving from cooled offices into the public spaces, with sun shining, the tinting shift gradually disappears

 

[Harthag]

I am an APPL shareholder as well. I agree, with the pervious post. People are looking for a reason in most cases to exchange for the "perfect phone". What are the odds of getting four defective screens out of the millions Apple has sold? You probably should play the Powerball!

I had a good friend who "retired" and went to work for Apple retail after a successful career as a trader for a hedge fund. He told me many stories. My favorite was one customer, who purchased every new Apple product, and would exchange them MULTIPLE times because of some "issue". Everyone in the store knew who he was. It got to the point where the Apple store stopped doing business with him. He went on to send an e-mail complaint to Tim Cook. Escalation/resolution reached out to store who happily provided a history of his purchases and returns. Customer was then informed that he was free to purchase Apple products online and there was any issues they would assist him or he could purchase from an AD. He was basically done with that Apple Store.

I have owned every iPhone. I have never had one screen that had a green tint or a pink tint for 1/2 the screen or was dark if I looked at it a certain way. Reality is, returns impact companies and their bottom line.

I returned 3 phones and sold 2. I won't return a phone unless it's really bad, as I agree most people would never notice. I view documents most of the day and work with white and light backgrounds signing contracts and emails. I tilt my phone all the time and jarring green tint on half of the screen is terrible. Couldn't care less how others view my actions.

This issue is an Apple issue. I love tech and buy several phones per year. In 2025 I've owned a Samsung S25U, Z Fold 7, Z Flip 7, Xiaomi 15U, OnePlus 13, Pixel 10 Pro XL. None of these had any screen issues. No off-axis tint, no uniformity issues, nothing. Apple gets away with it because they are Apple. The returned phones get resold as refurbished anyway. If their bottom line is impacted by this they should tighten their QC.

1st: LG GH3, green tint but uniform. Sold
2nd: LG GVC, less green tint but left half of the screen was different hue than right side. Returned.
3rd: LG GH3, green tint when tilting the phone toward me during normal use and very dull display. Returned.
4th: Samsung G9P, bottom 1/4 of screen was red tinted when viewing head on. Sold.
5th: Samsung G9N, terrible red tint at bottom 1/3 of screen noticeable all the time. Returned.

And then you wonder why companies are changing their return policies for the worse...

And this is why companies keep altering their return policies. Won't be surprised to see restocking fees next year and limits on returns.

People like me are not the problem. YouTube influencers who buy every color and every model for their BS "reviews" and then return them, they are the problem. People who buy a phone just to try out with no intent on keeping it, they are the problem. People who buy and then exchange multiple times for a different color or storage size, they are the problem. I see posts here all the time from people buying the Air->Pro Max->Pro and back to Air. They are the problem. People like me who have legitimate quality issues aren't impacting Apple's bottom line. All 10 of us on this forum 🤣. If Apple cares that much then they should tighten QC. Some of these screens are truly terrible.

 

[thadoggfather]

why would you sell them when you can just get a full refund?

Seems like making yourself vulnerable to potential scams and more hassle

Are these all 17PM?

 

[slippery-pete]

I returned 3 phones and sold 2. I won't return a phone unless it's really bad, as I agree most people would never notice. I view documents most of the day and work with white and light backgrounds signing contracts and emails. I tilt my phone all the time and jarring green tint on half of the screen is terrible. Couldn't care less how others view my actions.

This issue is an Apple issue. I love tech and buy several phones per year. In 2025 I've owned a Samsung S25U, Z Fold 7, Z Flip 7, Xiaomi 15U, OnePlus 13, Pixel 10 Pro XL. None of these had any screen issues. No off-axis tint, no uniformity issues, nothing. Apple gets away with it because they are Apple. The returned phones get resold as refurbished anyway. If their bottom line is impacted by this they should tighten their QC.

1st: LG GH3, green tint but uniform. Sold
2nd: LG GVC, less green tint but left half of the screen was different hue than right side. Returned.
3rd: LG GH3, green tint when tilting the phone toward me during normal use and very dull display. Returned.
4th: Samsung G9P, bottom 1/4 of screen was red tinted when viewing head on. Sold.
5th: Samsung G9N, terrible red tint at bottom 1/3 of screen noticeable all the time. Returned.


People like me are not the problem. YouTube influencers who buy every color and every model for their BS "reviews" and then return them, they are the problem. People who buy a phone just to try out with no intent on keeping it, they are the problem. People who buy and then exchange multiple times for a different color or storage size, they are the problem. I see posts here all the time from people buying the Air->Pro Max->Pro and back to Air. They are the problem. People like me who have legitimate quality issues aren't impacting Apple's bottom line. All 10 of us on this forum 🤣. If Apple cares that much then they should tighten QC. Some of these screens are truly terrible.

If its a "Apple Issue", why do you continue to buy their products?

End of the day, you can blame Apple all you want...but returning or selling, in total, five phones because a perceived screen issue really isn't an "Apple Issue".

We will agree to disagree. Hopefully you will find a phone that meets your standards. Good luck!

 

[Harthag]

why would you sell them when you can just get a full refund?

Seems like making yourself vulnerable to potential scams and more hassle

Are these all 17PM?

Yes all 17PM. They are still largely sold out especially silver so I sold them to people who wanted them rather than return. Didn't take any loss and no hassle.

If its a "Apple Issue", why do you continue to buy their products?

End of the day, you can blame Apple all you want...but returning or selling, in total, five phones because a perceived screen issue really isn't an "Apple Issue".

We will agree to disagree. Hopefully you will find a phone that meets your standards. Good luck!

Because I enjoy the iPhone as a gadget and as a tool, and it wasn't always this bad. I do have a 17PM without any issues now. Agree to disagree, yes. This thread was created to discuss these issues.

 

[thadoggfather]

Yes all 17PM. They are still largely sold out especially silver so I sold them to people who wanted them rather than return. Didn't take any loss and no hassle.

Because I enjoy the iPhone as a gadget and as a tool, and it wasn't always this bad. I do have a 17PM without any issues now. Agree to disagree, yes. This thread was created to discuss these issues.

That makes sense. Still out of stock everywhere

Dang I thought you got a good gh3 from memory

I’d take a green tint off axis over 1/3 red straight on

What’s your next move ?

 

[Harthag]

That makes sense. Still out of stock everywhere

Dang I thought you got a good gh3 from memory

I’d take a green tint off axis over 1/3 red straight on

What’s your next move ?

Original GH3 was great until I waited in a doctor's office lobby for my wife next to a window and needed to tilt my phone to use it. The half screen green tint reared its ugly head.

I got my current 17PM last Friday en route to a family function at a random Apple store along the way that had stock. Perfect G9N panel. No off-axis shift at all, no pink or red tint, and perfect uniformity. Surprised for sure. Probably the best screen I've personally seen on a Pro Max OLED. Likely the filet mignon cut off the center of the wafer 😂 .Keeping this one, already got AC+ for it. 👍

 

[Star-fire]

I swapped from an Air to a PM, both had Samsung screens, PM has a G9N so lucky I guess. It's a nice screen, has a hit of shift at higher angles but nothing to really complain about but the screen I had on the Air was flawless! One of the best screens I've seen on a phone, really wish they would have swapped the screen size between the Pro and Air. A pro with a 6.5" screen would be perfect for me. The 6.3 just seems a little small after coming form Maxes and larger droids.

 

[fel10]

Just received my second Express Replacement a few hours ago, and I have to say, this is the best screen I’ve gotten out of the three. No more red hue at the top, and the display looks much more uniform overall. I think my search ends here; I just don’t have the energy to keep going anymore.

 

[sidezero]

Just received my second Express Replacement a few hours ago, and I have to say, this is the best screen I’ve gotten out of the three. No more red hue at the top, and the display looks much more uniform overall. I think my search ends here; I just don’t have the energy to keep going anymore.

What screen did you receive on the newest?

 

[fel10]

What screen did you receive on the newest?

It’s a GVC just like the first two

 

[SumYoungGai]

And then you wonder why companies are changing their return policies for the worse...

And this is why companies keep altering their return policies. Won't be surprised to see restocking fees next year and limits on returns.

I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on Apple equipment over the past 15 years for me and my family, and I would definitely be more hesitant to upgrade/purchase these devices if I had to pay a fee to return a device with a clear defect. 13 Pro Max had a pretty bad red tint on one half of the display, another 13 PM had multiple specks of dust inside the camera glass cover, Apple Studio Display had light bleed in the top left and right corner & an uneven display, 2024 14” MBP had clearly obvious brightness difference between the left and right half of the display, 16/17 Pro series units randomly have cameras with poor focus (when comparing same zoom, software, lighting conditions between different identical devices), AirPods Pro 2 had a crackling noise in both earbuds at launch.

As a shareholder, would you rather me keep upgrading my devices every generation or two with the insurance of Apple’s generous return policy, or keep my devices for longer (4-5 years) because I don’t want to roll the dice and risk paying a restock fee? I am sure none of us want to be returning devices like this - we just want quality devices for the high price tag we pay, but this seems to be the reality of mass produced consumer electronics these days

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Just received my second Express Replacement a few hours ago, and I have to say, this is the best screen I’ve gotten out of the three. No more red hue at the top, and the display looks much more uniform overall. I think my search ends here; I just don’t have the energy to keep going anymore.

Awesome ! What model ? Max ?

 

[fel10]

Awesome ! What model ? Max ?

Yes. iPhone 17 Pro Max, Deep blue, 512 GB

 

[slippery-pete]

I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on Apple equipment over the past 15 years for me and my family, and I would definitely be more hesitant to upgrade/purchase these devices if I had to pay a fee to return a device with a clear defect. 13 Pro Max had a pretty bad red tint on one half of the display, another 13 PM had multiple specks of dust inside the camera glass cover, Apple Studio Display had light bleed in the top left and right corner & an uneven display, 2024 14” MBP had clearly obvious brightness difference between the left and right half of the display, 16/17 Pro series units randomly have cameras with poor focus (when comparing same zoom, software, lighting conditions between different identical devices), AirPods Pro 2 had a crackling noise in both earbuds at launch.

As a shareholder, would you rather me keep upgrading my devices every generation or two with the insurance of Apple’s generous return policy, or keep my devices for longer (4-5 years) because I don’t want to roll the dice and risk paying a restock fee? I am sure none of us want to be returning devices like this - we just want quality devices for the high price tag we pay, but this seems to be the reality of mass produced consumer electronics these days

I have to ask. With all these issues you have had with Apple products, why do you continue to purchase their products??

 

[SumYoungGai]

I have to ask. With all these issues you have had with Apple products, why do you continue to purchase their products??

I still prefer iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, MacBooks. Just takes some extra effort to get a quality device sometimes.

 

[relaxman]

I returned 3 phones and sold 2. I won't return a phone unless it's really bad, as I agree most people would never notice. I view documents most of the day and work with white and light backgrounds signing contracts and emails. I tilt my phone all the time and jarring green tint on half of the screen is terrible. Couldn't care less how others view my actions.

This issue is an Apple issue. I love tech and buy several phones per year. In 2025 I've owned a Samsung S25U, Z Fold 7, Z Flip 7, Xiaomi 15U, OnePlus 13, Pixel 10 Pro XL. None of these had any screen issues. No off-axis tint, no uniformity issues, nothing. Apple gets away with it because they are Apple. The returned phones get resold as refurbished anyway. If their bottom line is impacted by this they should tighten their QC.

1st: LG GH3, green tint but uniform. Sold
2nd: LG GVC, less green tint but left half of the screen was different hue than right side. Returned.
3rd: LG GH3, green tint when tilting the phone toward me during normal use and very dull display. Returned.
4th: Samsung G9P, bottom 1/4 of screen was red tinted when viewing head on. Sold.
5th: Samsung G9N, terrible red tint at bottom 1/3 of screen noticeable all the time. Returned.


People like me are not the problem. YouTube influencers who buy every color and every model for their BS "reviews" and then return them, they are the problem. People who buy a phone just to try out with no intent on keeping it, they are the problem. People who buy and then exchange multiple times for a different color or storage size, they are the problem. I see posts here all the time from people buying the Air->Pro Max->Pro and back to Air. They are the problem. People like me who have legitimate quality issues aren't impacting Apple's bottom line. All 10 of us on this forum 🤣. If Apple cares that much then they should tighten QC. Some of these screens are truly terrible.

Looking at how many phones you sold, I wonder if it is the phone or your OCD lol.

 

[thadoggfather]

Looking at how many phones you sold, I wonder if it is the phone or your OCD lol.

Two different ways of looking at: he's either 'OCD', or Apple is shipping crap and most people don't notice because it has an Apple logo on the back therefore it cannot have faults.

This thread would indicate the latter.

 

[barry.wiestling]

So I just tried ordering a black iPhone Air 256gb and got yet another GVC screen with horrible green tint at the bottom, and bad red tint at the top.

I love the form factor of the Air, but I am not dealing with a crappy screen. Are my odds better to just get the regular iPhone 17 Pro to get a Samsung screen?

 

[Vanarak19]

I have LG GVC on 17PM Blue. There is noticeable green hue on the right side when at low light conditions. Looks more or less ok during normal lighting.

 

[Agit24]

Hello Guys,

Im from Germany and I have a 17 Pro Max (256gb cosmic orange) with a LG GVC Display.

I took a few pictures to see if I have that infamous green tint. Can you tell me if the display has the green tint problem or if I actually got a good display? How far do I have to tilt the smartphone?

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[developeren]

I am so sick and tired of this ********. On my 3rd 17 and it is again a ****ing GVC. All the versions had/have perfect uniformity but at what cost. It’s less bright, less colorful and the green tint is way easier to notice than the light pink hue. What kind of a ****ing QC is this?

 

[fel10]

I am so sick and tired of this ********. On my 3rd 17 and it is again a ****ing GVC. All the versions had/have perfect uniformity but at what cost. It’s less bright, less colorful and the green tint is way easier to notice than the light pink hue. What kind of a ****ing QC is this?

I figured out that if you turn off auto brightness, the screen gets really bright

 

[joshwithachance]

So I just tried ordering a black iPhone Air 256gb and got yet another GVC screen with horrible green tint at the bottom, and bad red tint at the top.

I love the form factor of the Air, but I am not dealing with a crappy screen. Are my odds better to just get the regular iPhone 17 Pro to get a Samsung screen?

Yes. Apple has almost entirely sourced Samsung panels for the smaller Pro.

But my space black Air has a Samsung G9Q panel, so they're not THAT rare...