i find there's something slightly odd about text sizing... it was actually most noticeable when i went to the apple support site. when i did a search, all the available articles were listed in very small font, but when i went to articles themselves, the font was huge. so maybe something slightly odd/different about relative sizing? but other than that, all happy. i don't think i even know what tabs are... i don't use them.
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Safari is better than I ever thought an OSX web browser would be... And i have used a LOT of web browsers!
It does still have flaws though. like ALL other mac web browsers (Including Netscape, IE, Mozilla, and Chimera) it still doesnt have full applet support. It doesnt seem to have any DHTML support. And it is recognized as a netscape browser by CGI scripts, which can be inconvenient in some auto-forwarding situations. WORST: Flash lags on it!
With those things out of the way let me reiterate that i LOVE it
It does still have flaws though. like ALL other mac web browsers (Including Netscape, IE, Mozilla, and Chimera) it still doesnt have full applet support. It doesnt seem to have any DHTML support. And it is recognized as a netscape browser by CGI scripts, which can be inconvenient in some auto-forwarding situations. WORST: Flash lags on it!
With those things out of the way let me reiterate that i LOVE it
what are TABS?
ok. I have heard people talking about it throughout this thread, saying they miss 'tabs'. Now, I cant figure out for the life of me what you are all talking about. I've heard of it before but kind of ignored it. So what is 'tabs' or 'tabbed browsing'? I have chimera, but don't know what/where tabs are or what to look for. Can someone please get me up to speed here? Thanks
ok. I have heard people talking about it throughout this thread, saying they miss 'tabs'. Now, I cant figure out for the life of me what you are all talking about. I've heard of it before but kind of ignored it. So what is 'tabs' or 'tabbed browsing'? I have chimera, but don't know what/where tabs are or what to look for. Can someone please get me up to speed here? Thanks
Re: what are TABS?
You've been missing the simple greatest web browser innovation I've ever seen.
Either hit command-T to open a new one, or click on a link with the command button down to open it in a new tab.
There ya go.
You've been missing the simple greatest web browser innovation I've ever seen.
Either hit command-T to open a new one, or click on a link with the command button down to open it in a new tab.
There ya go.
yeah yeah!
Well for me its not faster. Not at all. IE is the fastes and i run a new dual g4 on OSX. DSL also.
What bugs me is that heavy flash sites are slow. All the coding seems to slow this otherwise nice and superb browser down.
Centered Pop up windows open not in center (scripting problems)????
Hope the final version works better.
Well for me its not faster. Not at all. IE is the fastes and i run a new dual g4 on OSX. DSL also.
What bugs me is that heavy flash sites are slow. All the coding seems to slow this otherwise nice and superb browser down.
Centered Pop up windows open not in center (scripting problems)????
Hope the final version works better.
Re: Re: what are TABS?
Thanks a lot for filling me in on this feature. I feel kind of dumb asking such a question. But after trying out the tab feature I can't see how it is such a great feature. I mean all it did was open a link in a new window when i held down the cmd button. Unless I am still missing somthing, or they have a more practical application then I am still lost here.
Thanks a lot for filling me in on this feature. I feel kind of dumb asking such a question. But after trying out the tab feature I can't see how it is such a great feature. I mean all it did was open a link in a new window when i held down the cmd button. Unless I am still missing somthing, or they have a more practical application then I am still lost here.
I like it. Very fast and generally nice looking. I miss three things, the afformentioned tabs, keychain, and the ability to move the icons around on the tool bar. If they can be reorganized, I haven't found a way. I'll be keeping tabs on Chimera and this one. Chimera is ahead by a nose IMO.
i would guess no since everybody is talking about it 
. What
browser are you trying to d/l it from?
. Whatbrowser are you trying to d/l it from?
Re: hotmail
Also not a single moonfruit site works with Safari, and oddly it doesnt just not show up, it shows up as if your site is not registered or not paid for anymore, very odd. check it out by going to www.medea.moonfruit.com in both Safari and Chimera, or IE.
Indeed, I rarely use my msn mail so I wouldnt have checked it out right away, but since you said something I did and it does not work, I sent in a bug report though and I suggest you do the same.
Also not a single moonfruit site works with Safari, and oddly it doesnt just not show up, it shows up as if your site is not registered or not paid for anymore, very odd. check it out by going to www.medea.moonfruit.com in both Safari and Chimera, or IE.
Well...
It's certainly faster than any other browser I've used, but it's definitely buggy, and missing some featurres (spell checking for one). In fact, while I love the speed, it has tons of problems. First, I can login to maybe 2 of the sites that require a login (MacRumors and Yahoo! mail), and no others. Second, the toolbar needs to be rearrangeable, and more customizable; I want to have a Finder- or OmniWeb- or IE-like toolbar if I want... including a print button. SnapBack and the Google search are nice, as is the history caching, but to be honest, OmniWeb has buit-in google, with the ability to create other shortcuts, and IE has fairly quick page-back reloads, even if its caching sucks. Tabbed browsing... I don't need it or particularly want it. I've used it only on rare occasions in Chimera, and I've been less than impressed with it. So everything's in one browser window. Big deal. I like having different positions for different windows. And tabbed browsing gets really confusing when more than one tab is on the same site, but not the same page, since only the first few words get shown in the tab. And, like most other browsers, Safari really can't compete with OmniWeb's feature set and customizablity. Heck, Safari isn't even Cocoa! No Services, and crappy contextual menus. Now if only Apple could take the rendering engine and put that into Omniweb, while retaining the address book and Rondezvous integration (both good ideas), then that'd be something.
It's certainly faster than any other browser I've used, but it's definitely buggy, and missing some featurres (spell checking for one). In fact, while I love the speed, it has tons of problems. First, I can login to maybe 2 of the sites that require a login (MacRumors and Yahoo! mail), and no others. Second, the toolbar needs to be rearrangeable, and more customizable; I want to have a Finder- or OmniWeb- or IE-like toolbar if I want... including a print button. SnapBack and the Google search are nice, as is the history caching, but to be honest, OmniWeb has buit-in google, with the ability to create other shortcuts, and IE has fairly quick page-back reloads, even if its caching sucks. Tabbed browsing... I don't need it or particularly want it. I've used it only on rare occasions in Chimera, and I've been less than impressed with it. So everything's in one browser window. Big deal. I like having different positions for different windows. And tabbed browsing gets really confusing when more than one tab is on the same site, but not the same page, since only the first few words get shown in the tab. And, like most other browsers, Safari really can't compete with OmniWeb's feature set and customizablity. Heck, Safari isn't even Cocoa! No Services, and crappy contextual menus. Now if only Apple could take the rendering engine and put that into Omniweb, while retaining the address book and Rondezvous integration (both good ideas), then that'd be something.
Originally posted by PabloEskimo
great browser! but I also want:
1. Tabs
2. Minimum/maximum font size
3. Remember passwords
4. Auto-fill
5. Graphite button mouse-clicks in address bar
6. Graphite status bar in address bar
7. History menu should be Go menu
8. Dock menu with bookmarks...
9. Remember window positions
10. Click & hold to show contextual menu
11. Drag & drop text
12. Better "view source"
13. "Send Link" menu item in File menu
14. Option to set a font that should be used instead of the fonts used by the website designer
that's all I can think of for now
it has minimum/maximum font size
Pros:
-Nice bookmark management
-Really fast start-up
-Apple-sponsored, so you know it's going to be well supported
-Nice download management
Cons:
-Doesn't recognize cookies from chimera. There may be a way to transfer them, but that's still a pain.
-Ditto for chimera bookmarks.
Browsing speed doesn't feel all that great to me.
-Yet another browser webmasters are going to have to test on, since it's a different renderer
- No Tabs
Looks like I'm going to stay with Chimera, but only for cookies, bookmarks, and tabs. The bookmarks and download manager are a big draw to safari though. I have a feeling that there will be applescripts soon to transfer bookmarks and cookies, and if Apple gets their head out of the sand and puts in some tabbed browsing, I'm there.
Unfortunately, I'm guessing Apple will never adopt tabs: it just feels like the kind of really useful feature that they'd write off as complicated. Plus, I don't think tabs work well in a brushed metal interface. Maybe they'll adopt a totally new way of browsing multiple pages: A sidebar, Preview and PDF style, with various pages that you can go back and forth in. That seems like something Apple would implement.
I read on macosrumors.com that Safari's speed is in the rendering, but it has problems with the actual downloading of content. Hence, anything in the cache is shown extremely fast, but something's stopping Safari from using your internet connection's full speed. It's fast, but for me Chimera is faster.
-Nice bookmark management
-Really fast start-up
-Apple-sponsored, so you know it's going to be well supported
-Nice download management
Cons:
-Doesn't recognize cookies from chimera. There may be a way to transfer them, but that's still a pain.
-Ditto for chimera bookmarks.
Browsing speed doesn't feel all that great to me.
-Yet another browser webmasters are going to have to test on, since it's a different renderer
- No Tabs
Looks like I'm going to stay with Chimera, but only for cookies, bookmarks, and tabs. The bookmarks and download manager are a big draw to safari though. I have a feeling that there will be applescripts soon to transfer bookmarks and cookies, and if Apple gets their head out of the sand and puts in some tabbed browsing, I'm there.
Unfortunately, I'm guessing Apple will never adopt tabs: it just feels like the kind of really useful feature that they'd write off as complicated. Plus, I don't think tabs work well in a brushed metal interface. Maybe they'll adopt a totally new way of browsing multiple pages: A sidebar, Preview and PDF style, with various pages that you can go back and forth in. That seems like something Apple would implement.
I read on macosrumors.com that Safari's speed is in the rendering, but it has problems with the actual downloading of content. Hence, anything in the cache is shown extremely fast, but something's stopping Safari from using your internet connection's full speed. It's fast, but for me Chimera is faster.
No problems here.
Really blazin fast, I have had one crash but thats because I really pushed it.
A real nice browser indeed, tabs are nice, but I'm sure we will see in some
Safari 1.1 or something
One minor problem is aligment on some things text overlaps its borders making it look weird, doesn't happen offten but whatever.
Oh yeah, for unknown reasons all my internet speed test are bugging out. They are all sending back like 'Faster than T3 connection' results.
Is that a bug or a feature ?
It nees some polishing tho, but the pop-up blocker is real nice, and so far I haven't noticed any un-wanted pop ups.
Sorry ad people.
Really blazin fast, I have had one crash but thats because I really pushed it.
A real nice browser indeed, tabs are nice, but I'm sure we will see in some
Safari 1.1 or something
One minor problem is aligment on some things text overlaps its borders making it look weird, doesn't happen offten but whatever.
Oh yeah, for unknown reasons all my internet speed test are bugging out. They are all sending back like 'Faster than T3 connection' results.
Is that a bug or a feature
?It nees some polishing tho, but the pop-up blocker is real nice, and so far I haven't noticed any un-wanted pop ups.
Sorry ad people.
Re: hotmail
Yup,
Can't log in to hotmail... the same exact sequence of events for me. Same for AOL.com. I'm not sure if it's Safari that needs better proxy preferences or, since it simply uses the system proxies, maybe the OS in general needs a more thorough proxy manager. No place to type in my proxy username and PW... until a window randomly pops up telling me to do so.
This could be a great browser. but Autofill and tabs are sorely missed. Plus, what IS the deal with the upfront page loading delay. Apple definitely needs to fix the page download issue that somebody was talking about above.
Yup,
Can't log in to hotmail... the same exact sequence of events for me. Same for AOL.com. I'm not sure if it's Safari that needs better proxy preferences or, since it simply uses the system proxies, maybe the OS in general needs a more thorough proxy manager. No place to type in my proxy username and PW... until a window randomly pops up telling me to do so.
This could be a great browser. but Autofill and tabs are sorely missed. Plus, what IS the deal with the upfront page loading delay. Apple definitely needs to fix the page download issue that somebody was talking about above.
Speed problem
Safari seems to be using the HTTP v1.0 protocol instead of HTTP v1.1.
WHY?
This is the reason, I believe, for people like me, on dialup, image downloading takes quite a long time. That one site on slashdot [it escapes my memory] that talked about why IE was a faster browser [it cheated on the TCP/IP level] talked about the differences in HTTP v1.0 and 1.1 . . . perhaps someone could explain the major differences between the two . . .
Safari seems to be using the HTTP v1.0 protocol instead of HTTP v1.1.
WHY?
This is the reason, I believe, for people like me, on dialup, image downloading takes quite a long time. That one site on slashdot [it escapes my memory] that talked about why IE was a faster browser [it cheated on the TCP/IP level] talked about the differences in HTTP v1.0 and 1.1 . . . perhaps someone could explain the major differences between the two . . .
Not bad!
Well color me surprised--I thought old Steve J was exaggerating when he sang praises about Safari. Well, after an hour and a half navigating through the web, I must say that Safari is as good as promised. It's fast, and many pages I once had trouble displaying properly now render correctly without problems. Several things I'd like to see:
Tabbed Browsing!!!
Auto-fill forms
Hotmail compatibility (couldn't log into Hotmail but logged onto my other webmail just fine)
Well color me surprised--I thought old Steve J was exaggerating when he sang praises about Safari. Well, after an hour and a half navigating through the web, I must say that Safari is as good as promised. It's fast, and many pages I once had trouble displaying properly now render correctly without problems. Several things I'd like to see:
Tabbed Browsing!!!
Auto-fill forms
Hotmail compatibility (couldn't log into Hotmail but logged onto my other webmail just fine)
I'm sure apple is getting a million requests for tab browsing, so
my guess is look for tabbed browsing in the next couple of updates.
my guess is look for tabbed browsing in the next couple of updates.
Cookie Prefs
I Love Safari...
My only complaint is the cookie pref; I'd like the option of being asked for each.
I Love Safari...
My only complaint is the cookie pref; I'd like the option of being asked for each.
everyone needs to keep in mind that safari is still beta and if you really really really want it to do something in particular, the dev tools are free and the source is free. as for flash being slow, it's slow in any osx browser because the problem is with macromedia's plugin. whe macromedia makes a decent flash plug-in, we will get a speed increase.
it doesnt seem to do anything right. i can not think of a single redeaming feature.
the menus are cluttered and disorganized.
the window interface seems very unpolished.
it is the slowest browser i have used in years
it has major rendering problems with most of the sites i have visited.
no tabs
i find it hard to beleive a browser based on the mozilla code base could be this bad. this browser is terrible, i hope it dies quietly.
the menus are cluttered and disorganized.
the window interface seems very unpolished.
it is the slowest browser i have used in years
it has major rendering problems with most of the sites i have visited.
no tabs
i find it hard to beleive a browser based on the mozilla code base could be this bad. this browser is terrible, i hope it dies quietly.